Schoolteacher Mafia

[Helios]

@Manix: Town!RB normally idles D1 because of lack of evidence and all that but then again this is Shinori so i don't even know. Besides, blocking Neko would proceed to his ass getting lynched instantly, and there's a high chance the safeguard was on Neko anyway so it would be a waste of hook potentially anyway. Scumnori is still possible, but right now I'm feeling a couple lynches more than his anyway (like SB).

[Paperblade]

Since when was safeguard a common enough role that we're certain to have one?

[Elieson]

How was I "lax" about getting my scumreads out. I pushed NekoRex (and before that Shinori) since they were my first two suspects, and they both claimed town roles (Neko was the vig, Shinori claims RB but I'm still not buying that as town, especially with the Mancer/Boron flip and him possibly blocking me), so I had no choice but to start going down the list. An SB lynch wasn't even possible at that point so what was the use in mentioning him unnecessarily? May as well wait until D1 shenanigans were over and try and press his lynch D2. The only lynches that were possible at that point? Shinori and Mancer. I thought Mancer was more town than Shinori, therefore I stuck with trying to lynch Shinori. I had oodles of reasons as to why I thought Shinori was scummy so you can't say there is no reason (really suggest you read back here).

SB is literally THIRD on my list of scumreads as you can see here (the post you were referring to is 264 actually). I even numbered things out perfectly for everyone to see. This isn't out of nowhere at all so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. In fact, you contradict yourself by saying SB vote came out of nowhere when even the post you quoted (which happened much later than 274) mentions that SB was my highest scumread at the time.

OBJECTION!!

POST 274

I just want to say I really don't like the "my vote was bad but everyone else's votes were bad too so that's okay right?" defense because it really doesn't defend you or Mancer since you're basically admitting it was bad. However, I still think your playerslot is more town than the other's I talked about earlier since Mancer at least is trying his best to scumhunt and I think it's one of his better games he's played. Would prefer a Neko, Shinori, or Manix lynch at this point over the current Mancer/Boron wagon.

Perhaps I missed the letters S and B in there somewhere, but I'm not misreading anything here, and you know it.

Here, http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&cType=topic&cId=36255&search_author=Helios

ISO yourself, and find the posts from D1 that include you talking about SB. I can't find anything past 264. Can you?

You should probably reread things a bit more before you come up with these false accusations my good man.

My hard defense on Mancer was admittedly bad and I did it completely out of emotion because I felt Boron's rage and knew it was sincere, and I really felt like Mancer was playing town and arguably his best game so far. Didn't want to see that ending the way it did.

Any other questions?

Also not really a fan of how fast this wagon built up on me especially when two of the three voters are voting for no reason, and the other is voting me on false premises...

Bull fucking shit, post 264 http://serenesforest...dpost&p=2196926 has a quick thoughts list (and is titled as such). Don't pull that bull shit out of your ass. If you go by that, then you're 5th scumread was Manix/Mancer, who you decided was InTown fighting in that very post. Then you back and forthed on manix's playerslot, so is this a scumread?

Actually, is a list titled "Quick Thoughts" a Scum reads list? Yes it has mostly scum reads in it, but then you should've titled it accordingly, and not been waffly with the title (and some content) Or are you just convienently twisting it into what you need it to be, to get attention off of you.

Also Also, post 274 explicitly says, by you,

Would prefer a Neko, Shinori, or Manix lynch at this point over the current Mancer/Boron wagon.

So don't pull the "False Premise" and the I made a Typo argument on me. You fucking waffled and this defense is crappy.

[Baldrick]

So why are you voting me exactly if you're implying that you believe Shinori hooked me (therefore I'm not lying)? Ahhh I got it...it's cuz you want my attention. Well cutie, there's better ways to get it then voting me you know ;).

No, if Shinori hooked you, he'd know you were telling the truth. So he'd vote for Balcerzak.

I'm flattered, but not interested. Sorry.

[Helios]

And like i stated yesterday I really felt that helios was letting on the fact that he KNEW mancer was town. Also his town during that entire conversation/argument between us really gave me scum vibes from him.

Also quesiton @ helios: In your post you said you still think I'm scum because you think I blocked you. How does that make me scum? Am I less scum if i blocked Baldrick?

Answers to both these here:

My hard defense on Mancer was admittedly bad and I did it completely out of emotion because I felt Boron's rage and knew it was sincere, and I really felt like Mancer was playing town and arguably his best game so far. Didn't want to see that ending the way it did.

@Manix: Town!RB normally idles D1 because of lack of evidence and all that but then again this is Shinori so i don't even know. Besides, blocking Neko would proceed to his ass getting lynched instantly, and there's a high chance the safeguard was on Neko anyway so it would be a waste of hook potentially anyway. Scumnori is still possible, but right now I'm feeling a couple lynches more than his anyway (like SB).

Also why would you block someone who you have no idea is town or scum and accidentally hook a PR? That's an anti-town move man.

[Elieson]

Accidentally posted before finished.

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So your mentioning of SB in your "I'd rather lynch" pile was what, a top scumread? Why? Where is the evidence? Like i said, your argument on him was some posts back, saying he was "forgettable" and "lurky" And oh yea, did you explain how he jumped from #3 to #1 on you scumdar?

Like I said. You didn't explain jack. What you did explain, you explained poorly.

Telling me to reread, Ha. All it did was give this old man more evidence against you.

[Paperblade]

Also why would you block someone who you have no idea is town or scum and accidentally hook a PR? That's an anti-town move man.

uhhh no

[Helios]

OBJECTION!!

POST 274

Perhaps I missed the letters S and B in there somewhere, but I'm not misreading anything here, and you know it.

Here, http://serenesforest...h_author=Helios

ISO yourself, and find the posts from D1 that include you talking about SB. I can't find anything past 264. Can you?

Bull fucking shit, post 264 http://serenesforest...dpost&p=2196926 has a quick thoughts list (and is titled as such). Don't pull that bull shit out of your ass. If you go by that, then you're 5th scumread was Manix/Mancer, who you decided was InTown fighting in that very post. Then you back and forthed on manix's playerslot, so is this a scumread?

Actually, is a list titled "Quick Thoughts" a Scum reads list? Yes it has mostly scum reads in it, but then you should've titled it accordingly, and not been waffly with the title (and some content) Or are you just convienently twisting it into what you need it to be, to get attention off of you.

Also Also, post 274 explicitly says, by you,

So don't pull the "False Premise" and the I made a Typo argument on me. You fucking waffled and this defense is crappy.

Don't take shit out of context my good man. Look at the votals at the time I made the "would prefer Neko, Shinori, or Manix lynch over this" quotation. Stare at them. Gaze in all it's glory. You will notice that a SB lynch wasn't gonna happen at that point, but a Neko, Shinori, and Manix lynch were probable. There was no waffling; if I had to compare between Manix and Mancer I thought Manix was scummier BECAUSE of his predecessor (Lucina/Excellen)'s play (because everyone completely forgot about them because Manix played well). It was what it was: a weaker scumread (I now think Manix is town because his play has been pretty consistently good outside of his aggressiveness for the Mancer lynch).

>sees a list of scum reads

>doesn't think it's a list of scum reads

My bad. Next time I'll title it "Helios's List of Scum Reads" and make it look super sexy with Word Art font or something.

Again, false premises, misrepping, twisting words, taking things out of context....whatever you want to name it, that's what you're doing right now. Any other questions? I'd like to clear this all up before my next date with a beautiful young lady from across the hall.

[eclipse]

Alright, someone who was paying more attention to this than me pointed out something.

GRACE IS CALLED WHEN HALF THE LIVING PLAYERS, ROUNDED UP, VOTE FOR SOMEONE. ONE THIRD OF THE PLAYERS, ROUNDED UP, IS REQUIRED FOR AN END-OF-PHASE LYNCH.

Back to being busy.

[Helios]

Accidentally posted before finished.

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So your mentioning of SB in your "I'd rather lynch" pile was what, a top scumread? Why? Where is the evidence? Like i said, your argument on him was some posts back, saying he was "forgettable" and "lurky" And oh yea, did you explain how he jumped from #3 to #1 on you scumdar?

Like I said. You didn't explain jack. What you did explain, you explained poorly.

Telling me to reread, Ha. All it did was give this old man more evidence against you.

>Puts SB as third in list of scumreads

>Numbers one and two in list of scumreads claim townie

>Goes to third player on the scum list

I thought this was easily explainable sorry.

[Shinori]

uhhh no

I agree with what paper said.

Besides nothing that says you are a pr.

And no town! RB does not always idly N1.

They generally idle N0.

[Shinori]

Also why would you block someone who you have no idea is town or scum and accidentally hook a PR? That's an anti-town move man.

Besides I doubt you are a PR. At least not town-sided.

[Helios]

Besides I doubt you are a PR. At least not town-sided.

So you did hook me?

[Shinori]

When did I say that?

[Helios]

You're implying it with the last couple posts you made. I won't ask you to admit it, but if you did just know you're an idiot because you did something detrimental to the town

[Helios]

And I call you an idiot with all the love in the world, Shinori <3

Going to bed though because I barely got any sleep last night. Later everyone.

[Elieson]

>Puts SB as third in list of scumreads

>Numbers one and two in list of scumreads claim townie

>Goes to third player on the scum list

I thought this was easily explainable sorry.

If it were as simple as that, then lategame PoE is in effect on Day 2.

Don't take shit out of context my good man. Look at the votals at the time I made the "would prefer Neko, Shinori, or Manix lynch over this" quotation. Stare at them. Gaze in all it's glory. You will notice that a SB lynch wasn't gonna happen at that point, but a Neko, Shinori, and Manix lynch were probable. There was no waffling; if I had to compare between Manix and Mancer I thought Manix was scummier BECAUSE of his predecessor (Lucina/Excellen)'s play (because everyone completely forgot about them because Manix played well). It was what it was: a weaker scumread (I now think Manix is town because his play has been pretty consistently good outside of his aggressiveness for the Mancer lynch).

>sees a list of scum reads

>doesn't think it's a list of scum reads

My bad. Next time I'll title it "Helios's List of Scum Reads" and make it look super sexy with Word Art font or something.

Again, false premises, misrepping, twisting words, taking things out of context....whatever you want to name it, that's what you're doing right now. Any other questions? I'd like to clear this all up before my next date with a beautiful young lady from across the hall.

OOOOh Ok, so you can simply say "I think he's scum, but it doesn't matter since he's not close to being lynched". Save that crap for the final 10 minutes of a phase. The fact is that the MancerBoron wagon came up pretty damn quickly, and things could've just as easily swung the other way if a serious and logical argument came up. But since your reads were varying (See your scumread on NNR for reference), I tend to think that you're scumhunting was botched from the getgo, and you were just hopping along with the easy backup wagon as a plan, just in case things went sour for SB. Then you could say "I called him scummy X posts ago" and flip over to him without too much negative attention.

So eventually you do this.

>>Provides a list of thoughts

>>Calls them scumreads after the fact

>>Mentions varying degrees of scum here and town there

>>Confused as to why his post is misinterpreted

More questions? Why is SB scummy to you? You still have yet to justify the vote. Is his lurkyness and being forgettable more scummy than everything else that's happened in game? Is that the best argument you have for scumhunting right now? Justify your vote. Obviously you haven't figured out yet who Roleblocked you, but that's the only thing you mentioned in your votepost.

Geez, I swear no one pays attention to me and comes after the obvious things in question. How often do I have to ask until you see my question. Here I'll wordArt it for you, the way you should when you want to post things that are important enough to be organized or designated as such.

Helios, WHY ARE YOU VOTING SB?

[BBM]

First off, I'd like to thank the assistants in my agency for giving me the insight required to know that Mancer was not scum (read: that lynch was fucking horrible)

##Vote: Serious Bananas

SB's Mancer wagoning was horrible. SB called him town, and then Mancer claimed and he was like "lol obvscum". It was super opportunistic.

[Prims]

I wish people would stop defending Mancer's lynch even in hindsight because it basically tells him "it's okay to play scummy, claim over a joke way before your need to, then throw a fit and self-vote (the most anti-wincon thing you can do) when people keep lynching you, there was nothing wrong with your actions this game, keep it up bro". The fact that the mod basically took his side too is fucking ridiculous and makes me want to sub out.

also i don't expect to find the time to re-read anytime soon, unfortunately :X

[scorri]

Astonishingly, I have basically no thoughts on mafia right now. My brain is fried and I'm feeling out of my depth. Like... I've been staring at this screen and rereading for the past hour and can't think of anything to say. So, I'm going to sleep I think and hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to give a little more input on things. Sorry.

Oh, also. This is a thing I listen to a lot when I need to just relax. I feel like the thread could use it. Enjoy~

[eclipse]

Subbing out due to "mod bullshit" will result in a modkill of yourself and someone allied with you. You don't know what the mod knows. End of discussion.

Also, if I see this thread getting out of hand, I will lock it. First time I do this, I'll unlock it after 48 hours. Second time, and it's a universal loss for everyone. I have had it with the yelling.

[BBM]

I wish people would stop defending Mancer's lynch even in hindsight because it basically tells him "it's okay to play scummy, claim over a joke way before your need to, then throw a fit and self-vote (the most anti-wincon thing you can do) when people keep lynching you, there was nothing wrong with your actions this game, keep it up bro". The fact that the mod basically took his side too is fucking ridiculous and makes me want to sub out.

also i don't expect to find the time to re-read anytime soon, unfortunately :X

I'm not saying his play didn't deteriorate at the end. I'm saying that there was nothing anti-town behind what he was doing (other than the self-vote). And in any case, a chunk of the people were voting him for none of those reasons. They voted him because his claim was really bad (the role itself, not the timing), which was a really shitty reason for the vote.

I feel frustrated about my Scorri scumread from earlier because I can't even remember the last time she contributed, except she's not really doing it in a scummy way. She just keeps posting "I'm too tired to post right now, I'm sorry", and I hate to say this, but if you feel this is going to continue for more than a few more days, you should probably sub out.

[scorri]

I'm considering it. I'm going to sleep on the idea. I have to say though, at least part of it is coming from the general attitude of this game. So. Maybe it would be healthier for me to sub out.

[charlie_]

[spoiler=Boron]Are you satisfied now, town? With a single lynch, you've officially screwed yourselves out of not just one but TWO potentially powerful players. The lot of you were so arrogant to believe that we were scum that you just stopped scum hunting at all at the end of the day, and you guys can't tell "appeal to emotion" from genuine rage. I still don't know how, but you guys literally made me feel a level of rage I don't think I've ever reached. To everyone who said that our claim was so bad it must be fake, I hope you feel stupid after our flip because guess what -- our role was real and we weren't lying at all.

Also, something else I don't understand: how is it when I lost my cool and threatened to modkill us both, people told me to calm down and to "please don't modkill yourself," ... but when Mancer finally has had enough then says that he's tempted to do the same and is fed up with town, he's a crybaby or a bad sport? I'm sorry, but what? How is my rage any different from his frustration? I mean, I lashed out earlier and more forcefully than he did. So what makes Mancer the bad sport and not me? SF, would you be consistent, because this makes no sense at all. For the record, I threatened to modkill myself, not Mancer. So kindly stop blaming him for things that I have said and would have done, and thank him for holding me back from modkilling us both.

I apologize to eclipse for the amount of animosity I unleashed into this thread, I should've had a better control on my temper. As for everyone else I am unhappy with, maybe I'll be sorry in the future. But right now, a part of me still feels angry and until I figure out why that last bit of anger still remains, I won't be able to say sorry and mean it.

I can't say I'm rooting for town to win this one after this.

[spoiler=Mancer]I hope you guys are satisfied with our flip right now. Yeah, Boron and I were scum, all right. Scum sort of outnumbers the town in this game as well, gg town.

On a more serious note, I would like to point out that I do not think I played to lose, had bad sportsmanship or bitched and whined much in this Mafia game at all.

[some of you] said that I had [been a] bad sport and instead of whining, I should build up cases on people I want lynched, right?

It's just that you guys were only willing to continue justifying your cases on me (when a hammer had already been reached and there was absolutely no need to already). All of you players had your eyes open for only one thing: Pushing and assigning all of your blame onto the one scapegoat that you could push everything onto. Well, you guys have succeeded. I hope all of you enjoy the game.

I apologise for my comment about town proving themselves not intelligent, but I am not going to retract that statement. That statement is still 100% the truth and it has already been proven so.

I can wholly say that I have played and done my best for this game, so I have no regrets being mislynched.

Good luck town.

All the best scum, I want you to win.

~MancerNecro

I still hated dying

well, good luck everyone (especially my buddy(/s))

Be quiet.

Yes that was my post restriction. I'm mind of busy right now but I'm just gonna say my action failed too, so Baldrick jumping on Helios is unjustified.

##Vote: Baldrick

Actual stuff when I get back.

[Grace]

All these blocked claims... not sure what to think of it, tbh

I'm just wondering why this might be... but I'm not gonna post spec, because lolspec won't achieve anything

there's nothing in the rules about failed actions and if you're told about how they failed. this doesn't help.