Kirby Mafia - Game Over

[The Objection!]

Jalmont

I also find it weird that you post 3 paragraphs on people but didn't mention anything about it at all in your next. You also said about lynching scorri but didn't even vote her. If this is your way of playing, then I don't think it'd work anywhere. His posts are 3x longer than they needed to be. Even though I doubt scum would play like this, he's not much more useful alive so, wouldn't object to a lynch.

What is Weapons doin'? Whatever it is, it doesn't look like something useful to town.

Maybe Shin is busy? Although not too busy for Skype it seems...

More may come later, but for now I'll go with ##Unvote ##Vote: Jalmont

[Refa]

What is Weapons doin'? Whatever it is, it doesn't look like something useful to town.

Maybe Shin is busy? Although not too busy for Skype it seems...

What do you mean by that? :\

[The Objection!]

What do you mean by that? :\

He went to skype to talk about Shinvel.

[Prims]

going to bed, if I go full prims and sleep in past deadline then feel free to have the lynchee reveal their alignment and start the role assigning process without me, just remember not to discuss the game while assigning roles

though if the lynchee starts the role assigning process while lying about their flip i'll find some way to punish their alignment.

[CT075]

@scorri: i get it, you suspect me, whatever, i'm not gonna just lay down a half-assed vote just because there's a slight bit of pressure on me; i'd rather my vote go onto someone whom i'd actually support lynching

i'm not going to be touching jalmont's mafia101 lectures with a 10-foot pole because i'm probably the last person who should be talking about how to play mafia correctly. i'd be alright with a shin lynch, but that's largely as a "cull the silence" preventative lynch because i still have memories of the scumteam leaping for joy at a completely inactive town during drafters. inactivity isn't a tell, etc etc (and before anybody gets on my back for this, i'd be ok with lynching myself as an anti-inactivity measure too, except that poses obvious problems etc etc).

Going through a second or third pass through the thread now, I think I might have figured out why BBM keeps standing out on my radar but i'll get back to you guys on that.

[BBM]

Jalmont

I also find it weird that you post 3 paragraphs on people but didn't mention anything about it at all in your next. You also said about lynching scorri but didn't even vote her. If this is your way of playing, then I don't think it'd work anywhere. His posts are 3x longer than they needed to be. Even though I doubt scum would play like this, he's not much more useful alive so, wouldn't object to a lynch.

What is Weapons doin'? Whatever it is, it doesn't look like something useful to town.

Maybe Shin is busy? Although not too busy for Skype it seems...

More may come later, but for now I'll go with ##Unvote ##Vote: Jalmont

This vote is bad- "I don't think Jalmont is scum but I wouldn't object to his lynch. Information from associative reads is cool, but that doesn't mean we lynch somebody who we don't even think is scummy. Weapons is also valid for a consolidation vote, and you also express dissatisfaction about his play, but you vote Jalmont over him? Shinori is also a valid wagon, yet you've said nothing about him.

[BBM]

This vote is bad- "I don't think Jalmont is scum but I wouldn't object to his lynch". Information from associative reads is cool, but that doesn't mean we lynch somebody who we don't even think is scummy. Weapons is also valid for a consolidation vote, and you also express dissatisfaction about his play, but you vote Jalmont over him? Shinori is also a valid wagon, yet you've said nothing about him.

Sorry, that first sentence was supposed to be in quotation marks.

[scorri]

Well, tornado seems like a pretty obvious D1 choice. Dunno where to go from there, just down to personal opinion. Tracker makes the most sense D2 FMPOV, though Vig and jailer are good too.

wut. Every role is given out tonight unless I'm completely misunderstanding what the rules say.

At the start of the game, all 14 roles are set, but unassigned. After the Day 1 lynch target flips, twilight will start and the lynchee will pick another player and assign them a role from the List of Copy Abilities. That player will then assign a different player a role, and so on until everyone has a role. Each role may only be assigned once. Role assignment is to be done openly in thread, but people are not allowed to post anything other than role assignments during the twilight phase.

Also, Objection continues to not do anything with his reaction test. If you're going to do something to get reactions and start discussion, you need to then do something with it. Otherwise, it's just "lol, I was being scummy on purpose." Add that in with his bad jump to Jalmont that BBM already pointed out and general lack of scum reads, and I'm starting to get a scum read here.

Jalmont (3) -scorri, Boron, Jalmont
Weapons (3) - Shinori, kirsche, Grassbridger
Shin (1) - Jalmont
Shinori (2) - BBM, Refa
CT075 (1) - Essbee
Grassbridger (1) - Paperblade
Refa (1) - Shin

Boron (1) - Kay
Not Voting (2): CT075, Weapons

Ok, we need some serious consolidation here. It takes 5 to lynch and we only have 5 hours left. Is anyone else around?

[Grassbridger]

I'm around (I should be around til phase end); pretty sure Jalmont isn't self-voting. Ah, that should say Objection.

Paper: my vote on Jalmont was pretty explicitly a pressure vote. He has since then posted a bunch of content that didn't seem scummy to me, so then I switched to Weapons. Where's the disconnect?

Addressing complaints over my attempted use of meta to argue scum!BBM, all I can say is that

-I found (find) him a little scummy and

-I thought I could identify things he'd done that he'd done before as scum.

So... sorry for being wrong? If I was? Regardless, I definitely don't buy that the "accepted" meta on scum!BBM (too townie) is all there is to find. I was looking for more. Also, several other people (lazy/nocheck, but at least Cam for sure) have said BBM is pinging without really knowing why.

BBM: you'd be ok with a flashwagon on me? Where did that come from? Seems a lot like an OMGUS since the only times you've mentioned me have been telling me my argument on you wasn't based on meta, and explaining pressure voting to me (which, by the way, missed the point of what I was saying earlier).

Paper's horrible logic in voting me stands out and seems scummy, but I could just be OMGUSing/reacting to the vote.

I definitely agree with scorri about ordering at least the roles, maybe the people too. I'll try to come up with a sample ordering of roles and people in a bit.

Anyway, neither Jalmont nor Weapons is pinging more than the other right now, and I don't get the case on Shinori at all. I'll leave my vote where it is for now, but I could move it back to Jalmont for consolidation purposes. My biggest scumreads are Paper (OMGUS) and BBM, but those clearly have to wait for another day.

[Paperblade]

I'm "here" but I was just checking the thread before leaving for class.

I think Boron is blowing jalmont's thing out of proportion, and it feels scummy to me. He's basically saying that when your playstyle is based on people having opinions and trying to find Problems with those opinions, you can get fooled by a mafia giving bad opinions just to try to fit in when a player is giving no opinions for whatever reason. tbh I don't find Weapons or jalmont very scummy and would rather lynch someone else.

I should be back before deadline unless I get in a car accident or something

[Paperblade]

Hey SF thanks for telling me someone posted

Telling someone you're just voting for pressure is pretty useless outside RVS, and you basically ignored what I said. You voted him for a reason, and when you unvoted it seemed like you hadn't satisfied what you set out for when you originally voted him? You were like "He's not contributing what a dick gonna vote him" and then in your next post it was all "He's not making content but he's trying I guess BUT I'D STILL BE OKAY WITH LYNCHING HIM."

It reads bad

[charlie_]

Neither of Weapons/Jalmont are really looking good to me but I remember in Filler his content improved over time so I guess I'd rather lynch Weapons.

##Unvote

##Vote: Weapons

Will be around for deadline.

[Shinori]

Won't be around for about 6 hours or so, working.

[scorri]

Jalmont (3) -scorri, Boron, Objection
Weapons (4) - Shinori, kirsche, Grassbridger, SB
Shin (1) - Jalmont
Shinori (2) - BBM, Refa
Grassbridger (1) - Paperblade
Refa (1) - Shin

Boron (1) - Kay
Not Voting (2): CT075, Weapons

something like 3 hours left.

As for order of people, I'd say something maybe like this?

Paperblade-->kirsche-->Refa-->SB-->Kay-->BBM-->Grass-->Boron-->Shin-->Shinori-->CT075-->Objection!-->Jalmont/Weapons

I'm not in that list currently because I don't feel like I can really assign myself a position. As for order of roles, I'd say something like cop, tracker, vig, gov, jail, rest don't really matter what order. Any other thoughts?

[CT075]

Also, Objection continues to not do anything with his reaction test.

did he ever actually say that he was trying to get a reaction out of somebody? If so, I'm gonna have some words for him; i thought he was just trying to get us out of RVS in an eli-style fashion?

also will vote when i get back (i'll be around for phase end unless something unexpected comes up), bbl in like an hour

[Shin]

I am here! Sorry, lectures have finally started up for real!

Jalmont is really waffling on a lot. I find his content pretty poor. I don't think the vote on me was ever really explained, apparently inactivity is scummy. If that were the case, Kay would scream scum in every game she's in. Also, his case on scorri is reliant on the assumption of oversimplification and covered in so much waffle you could make breakfast from it.

Also I'd be careful trying to meta SHIN, it doesn't often work :P.

##Unvote

##Vote: Jalmont

I'm not a fan of SB headpatting Jalmont for "creating discussion", I don't think there's actually anything meaningful in there. BBM's actually been pretty bro so far, especially regarding Objection and Shinori, so I'm not too fussed with looking into him too much right now.

[Shin]

did he ever actually say that he was trying to get a reaction out of somebody? If so, I'm gonna have some words for him; i thought he was just trying to get us out of RVS in an eli-style fashion?

also will vote when i get back (i'll be around for phase end unless something unexpected comes up), bbl in like an hour

He retrospectively did, which I think is just trying to justify the counter vote. It reeks more of knee jerk than any particular planning.

[Paperblade]

We have enough time that we don't have to lynch between Jalmont and Weapons, you know.

[Paperblade]

Like, this is super lazy.

[scorri]

We have three hours. Do you have a better target?

[charlie_]

I'm not a fan of SB headpatting Jalmont for "creating discussion", I don't think there's actually anything meaningful in there. BBM's actually been pretty bro so far, especially regarding Objection and Shinori, so I'm not too fussed with looking into him too much right now.

I didn't? I attacked kirsche because of his defense of Jalmont for creating discussion by playing badly.

[WeaponsofMassConstruction]

I have a null read despite many efforts (tunneling, hence last night), but will probably not be around for end of phase, so

##Vote: Jalmont

Unless ##Extension

[WeaponsofMassConstruction]

On quick read I'm starting to not like kirsche for pushing on circumstances

[Grassbridger]

We have three hours and the people who are around don't really agree on targets besides these guys... But I agree that we could look into other possibilities. The only problem, Paper, is that I think I'm next on your list... for total BS reasons. You're misrepping my unvote hard. I voted Jalmont for, more or less, being a hypocrite and calling people out for short posts that look like they contribute and don't really. Then he starts trying to contribute--I mean, most of it is fluff, sure, but it seems to me he's trying to be useful, even if he doesn't know how--and so I moved my vote to someone else who was making short posts that weren't contributing. But, I said I'd still be ok with lynching Jalmont, because (as you pointed out) his posts are mostly low-quality. So he's still an acceptable lynch target in my eyes because he's not helping scumhunt. I would vote you, but I feel it's too late in the phase.

Scorri, I take strong issue with you putting Paperblade at the top of your list. I think he should go, at best, at a similar level to where you have me. I'd put you along with SB and Kay near the top of the list, as people who haven't posted a ton but aren't pinging at all.

[The Objection!]

A special on the users we call: Shinori and Weapons!

Let's talk about Weapons first, with a grand total of ... ONE content post there's not really much to go off except well... the lack of posts. I think people say he has some prior mafia experience so this is kinda bad. Would not object to a lynch.

Shinori on the other hand is trying more although not by much. Focusing on BBM for over half his post and then voting Weapons for lack of content, kind of an easy vote-switch. Any particular reason for it?

While I'm at it, I'll comment on this:

Neither of Weapons/Jalmont are really looking good to me but I remember in Filler his content improved over time so I guess I'd rather lynch Weapons.

Pfft, all promises and no proof isn't good.

And also, Shin was random. Wasn't really expecting a reaction from a specific person, just start discussion Elie/Orion/whatever-style. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise.

Will not be around for deadline, so who should I vote?