Pokemon Adventures R/B/G/Y Mafia

[MancerNecro]

I honestly hate having this kind of role that does not give any 100% incriminating results or information. Makes the role kind of pointless, in my opinion.

[Kay]

Honestly, I'm confused as well.

All I know of my claim is from what I have in my role PM's results.

Are there any other Jigglypuffs in the R/B/Y/G manga? Some kind of renegade Jigglypuff or something?

Uh, I don't know of anything like that.

[j00]

I'm a JoaT, as people have guessed. My pokemon is a ditto who transforms into other pokemon depending on the action I choose, and jigglypuff is never mentioned.

I had redirect and an action that lets the target use his action twice next night, I explained the redirect already and I targeted Baldrick this night with double-action. I was going to target Iris, but BBM said if she really was an even doctor she would get her action N4, and I didn't think a real doctor would make it to then.

My last action is a safeguard. I admit that I should've gone with that's N1 but I explained my thought process N1, I didn't believe wren and took a risk.

Ditto becomes a wobuffet for redirect, clefairy for double-action and ninetales for safeguard.

Elieson's arguments on me mainly depends on me bringing up jigglypuff, and since we're deep into flavor speccing I assumed that me claiming to be a JoaT would make it obvious that ditto makes the most sense.

I already explained how it logically wouldn't make sense for me to be a hooker N1 since you know I was trying to target Elieson. Your case on me is based on flavor rather than the logic I provided.

Not liking Elieson and Mancer's attack on JB earlier didn't make a lot sense, but I'd rather have strawman, JB or Elieson lynched today. Mancer's result is based on flavor and seemingly conflicts with my role, but it doesn't make sense to fake a result like that.

##Vote: Elieson

I'll bold when not on phone

I might switch to strawman if he's really going to get modkilled, as he's been suspicious enough to be a viable lynch.

[BBM]

sigh

modkill incoming

[riariadne]

aren't those just everyone's favorite words to hear

[BBM]

As everyone was talking and arguing, a pink shape slowly floated into the room. Helios was the first to look up, and he gasped in recognition. "Mew!" he shouted, pointing towards the door.

Eight heads turned around to look at the phenomenon, several even standing up to get a better luck. Mew widened its eyes at the sudden clamor, and turned around, beginning to float back out of the room. Strawman gritted his teeth and jumped up. "I won't miss my chance!" he growled, running after it.

Mew looked back, and seeing Strawman in pursuit, sped up its pace and began to zoom faster through the sky. But it was still too slow to completely outrun Strawman, who was slowly but surely gaining on it. But a cliff came in view, and Mew stopped abruptly right at the edge, as if daring Strawman to come after it. Strawman clenched his jaw but walked slowly until he was less than a metre away from Mew. He stood still for a second and then dived with surprising speed towards Mew. But Mew was one step ahead of Strawman, and teleported away a split second before Strawman's hands closed around it.

Strawman's momentum carried him to the very edge, and he waved his arms, trying desperately to keep his balance and fall backwards. But despite his floundering, he lost the battle and pitched headfirst off the cliff.

"No!" he yelled. "I was... so close! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-" His voice was cut off by a sickening crunch as he struck the ground below the cliff.

The others finally caught up and gazed in horror at the broken body of Strawman below them. Finally, Kay was sent with rock climbing equipment to scale the cliff and retrieve Strawman's body. After a while, she hauled herself back over the cliff, Strawman's body strapped behind her. As she recovered, panting, Boron searched his body to retrieve his role PM. He was:

Dear Sawslothducksaucestrawman, you are Giovanni, the Team Rocket Bulletproof Godfather Hitman.

You are the Gym Leader of Viridian City, and are a master of Earth pokemon. You are also the leader of Team Rocket.

Every generation, from the people of Viridian City, one person inherits the powers of the Viridian Forest, to heal any pokemon and be able to communicate with them. You are one such person. These abilities, together with your long training, have made you one of the strongest trainers in Kanto. Therefore, once, during the night, you may reply to your role PM with <Night X: Battle USER>. You will unleash the full extent of your powers, and if you are sent to take the factional kill that night, nothing will be able to protect your target, and any investigative reports that might otherwise notice you will not.

In addition to this, due to your strength, the first time you are targeted at night by a killing ability, you will ward off your attacker.

Because you have been missing from your gym from quite some time now, unlike the other Gym Leaders who are part of Team Rocket, your affiliation is not well known. Therefore, any investigation reports will believe that you are allied with the town and have no ability to kill anyone.

You win when Team Rocket achieves parity with the rest of the players.

Everyone let out a sigh of relief that it was one of their enemies, and not one of their allies, that had met this gruesome end, and then returned to the meeting table.

Phase ends at 10:30 PM EST, in 8 hours and 15 minutes. With 8 players present, it takes 3 votes to lynch at deadline and 5 to hammer.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Thomas Raith

[Helios]

Alright so now I really think JB is scum who faked a watcher report to watch his buddy let's lynch him.

[j00]

I think JB's claims is dubious, but why would he need to fake any watcher report? Pretty sure strawman was sent for the kill N1, and a watcher's not a tracker. There's nothing strange if strawman was only targeted by JB N1. The watcher report itself doesn't prove JB's scum but his play lately suffered because he got mad at Mancer. I'm not opposed to lynching JB, but I don't think his claim say much about strawman.

I still don't like Elieson's play, but he obviously wasn't Giovanni. I also think it's a bit strange how reluctant Boron was about claiming. I don't think claiming for no good reason is smart either, but at that point almost everyone had claimed except her and strawman and her role was certainly not the most useful left. With all the info that was out, her claiming wouldn't make much of a difference for the mafia unless she had a role like Kay, and it would be a detriment to town to have all claims but two out. She said it was ok earlier, why so doubtful about claiming?

Mancer has been very intent on lynching JB on the basis that he's Sabrina, but I hardly see JB mentioning Sabrina when hearing about Kadabra as proof that he's scum. Also I don't understand where jigglypuff's coming from. It doesn't make sense to fake such a result but his logic on JB is bothering me.

What the hell are we going to do about Iris by the way?

[Helios]

The claim is really icing on the cake rather than a main case like I said before. It's just really easy to fake a watcher report when you watch your buddy (who didn't even seem to make sense as a target anyway). Again, look at JB's play and his interactions and it makes a lot of sense for him to be scum. Coincidentally his flip will probably give us some good info as well on certain players. Since activity is sparse and time is limited, I don't know how possible it is to create a different wagon.

Elieson's been busy with RL issues though so that's hindering his play. He's pretty much a cleared townie otherwise. Though it's role =/ alignment (which if he's town is probably the argument scum would use in this situation lol).

Yeah she's been really really inactive even for this game's standards. I'm trying to think of how an even night doc works but that seems really underpowered with an SK turned nonconsecutive night vig AND a hitman unless there's another protection role.

Boron's really been defending JB which feels weird to me. Her opinion on Strawman gradually shifted as well the more Straw looked like he would be a lynch target. She's now my second scumspec, though that's mostly due to POE. However I would much rather see JB's flip before I'd feel better about lynching her.

[j00]

Yeah, not sure about votals but I JB's the most viable lynch today

##Vote: Shatter

Checked some ISO's, and Strawman voted and pushed cases on Kay, Mancer and Cam.

He also said D1 that he wasn't opposed to lynching Elieson or JB and that Wren looked bad, but changed his mind on them later and said JB seemed mostly neutral and Elieson and Wren town/null after their claims. He said Shinori looked bad D2 though not bad enough for a lynch, and not much about anyone else.

Though he's also defended Baldrick throughout the whole game so I'm not sure how much we can infer from this. But I don't think he'd attack Mancer in the way he did if Mancer was his scumbuddy, as no one else was really suspecting Mancer of anything at that point.

[Elieson]

Still think i am godfather !?!?

I just pulled 4 nails out of my tire, in 28 degree wind. I'm cold and cheesed. But one thing I know is that a shifty watch on Straw makes sense when Straw flips scum.

My vote on JB stands. My position on Manscum has decreased.

[BBM]

Votecount:

JBCWK (4): Mancer, Helios, Elieson, j00 L-1!

Iris (1): JBCWK

Not Voting (3): Kay, Iris, Boron

With 8 players present, it takes 3 votes to lynch at deadline and 5 to hammer. Phase ends at 10:30 PM EST on January 2nd. You have 3 hours and 15 minutes.

As for Iris, I'm being a bit more lenient because of the reason for her absence, but if I can't find one by the end of the night phase, she'll probably be modkilled at its end.

[Sunwoo]

Straw got modkilled and he was scum huh I guess we got lucky with that one. Oh by the way I might be kind of tipsy right now because I had wine not too long ago so if I still feel off I won't be back for phase end lol.

[Jaybee]

this is going to end beautifully

[Jaybee]

Alright so now I really think JB is scum who faked a watcher report to watch his buddy let's lynch him.

does nobody get the logic behind watching strawman what in the fucking hell

Helios, as a final present for me since I'm about to die, do fucking explain how Straw would be able to know that nobody had visited him N1 aside from me.

Viable watch targets on Night 1 were Baldrick, Wren and Elieson because of what had happened at the very end of D1. Not knowing that Wren was, you know, a supposed even night doc, I guessed he would protect one of the 3, and mafia would not take a shot which had a decently high chance of being blocked by the doc. I then swapped over to one of the slightly more inactive players, because it would have been a safe kill for mafia. I'm pretty sure scorri had said less than StSS D1 - Would any of you be on my ass for this if I had watched scorri on N1?

Pulling numbers into this, I think it's reasonable to say it's 6/2 now that StSS is dead and there was no MYLO/LYLO call. I'm going to be perfectly honest here - My lynch is just going to tell you that Mancer is a little bit crazy, and potentially lying about his Yellow claim. It's not unreasonable to say that mafia would have gotten enough fakeclaims to get them by. Probably not people as obscure as the Pokemon Fanclub President, but more... notable characters.

##Unvote

##Vote Mancer

final spite vote before i die

[Jaybee]

oh hey there's another hour fantastic

Quick notes before I die:

Helios and Mancer are super eager to get me lynched. This is going to look great on D4.

j00's character claim is weird to me because Gary had a Ninetales. Not sure why Ninetales of all pokemon would be mentioned in flavour (but then again I could be waffling, right Mancer?)

Elieson is almost certainly cleared (waffling again!), same goes for Kay (waffling #3)

Only one Jigglypuff is ever mentioned in the entire story. In essence, either j00 is lying about his role or Mancer is lying about his N1 action

If Boron is really a safeguard, then why does j00 have his own safeguard ability?

Mancer has yet to reveal what this mysterious Kadabra has told him.

[Jaybee]

In essence, either j00 is lying about his role or Mancer is lying about his N1 action

maybe i should explain this given that this entire game nobody has been able to follow any of my reasoning

Mancer claims that on N1, a Jigglypuff hooked Baldrick. j00 says he doesn't have a Jigglypuff, and that instead his Ditto redirected Wren to Baldrick (or Elieson? I forgot to take it down whatever you all should get the gist of it). Please tell me you all see the contradiction here.

[Jaybee]

additional note: mancer has spent p much the entire phase focusing on me. going to look even better once i die.

[Helios]

I think I explained this already but since we know the cop was hooked, and the doc didn't use his action, the voyeur didn't use his action, I didn't battle him, Kay didn't target him, what other roles can target you without you knowing? It's pretty safe and easy to fake a watcher report on Straw. And lo and behold he flipped scum, which means you ended up watching scum. Straw doesn't make any sense as a watch target anyway and even though you explained I still don't understand why you'd do it. How would you even know that scum are going for a safe kill? If anything you should have watched the cleared townie to at least see if Wren was telling the truth about his doc (since people were hesitant about Baldrick) since he'd probably doc him.

Well I was eager to lynch Strawman, since I was 99% sure he was scum last phase, and I was right about that. You're second to him and I'm confident you'll flip scum. If not well then eff me at least we get info on players like Mancer and Boron (Mancer for really wanting to lynch you and Boron for defending you quite a bit).

Well Blue had the jigglypuff and Blue isn't Gary, Green is Gary. So j00 really is supposed to have the Ninetails. Though you're right that it's weird that Boron and j00 both have safeguard abilities. Why two safeguards but only one even night doc?

Also we really should stop flavor speccing. I only brought up characters due to my role, but now I think this is starting to get out of hand and I know I'm partially to blame. We ended up losing two townies to it so far, and we should probably stick to actual more common scumhunting methods

[MancerNecro]

Isn't j00 the female character (Blue) though? Which means he (or she) should not have the Ninetales?

[Jaybee]

I think I explained this already but since we know the cop was hooked, and the doc didn't use his action, the voyeur didn't use his action, I didn't battle him, Kay didn't target him, what other roles can target you without you knowing? It's pretty safe and easy to fake a watcher report on Straw. And lo and behold he flipped scum, which means you ended up watching scum. Straw doesn't make any sense as a watch target anyway and even though you explained I still don't understand why you'd do it. How would you even know that scum are going for a safe kill? If anything you should have watched the cleared townie to at least see if Wren was telling the truth about his doc (since people were hesitant about Baldrick) since he'd probably doc him.

Well I was eager to lynch Strawman, since I was 99% sure he was scum last phase, and I was right about that. You're second to him and I'm confident you'll flip scum. If not well then eff me at least we get info on players like Mancer and Boron (Mancer for really wanting to lynch you and Boron for defending you quite a bit).

Well Blue had the jigglypuff and Blue isn't Gary, Green is Gary. So j00 really is supposed to have the Ninetails. Though you're right that it's weird that Boron and j00 both have safeguard abilities. Why two safeguards but only one even night doc?

Also we really should stop flavor speccing. I only brought up characters due to my role, but now I think this is starting to get out of hand and I know I'm partially to blame. We ended up losing two townies to it so far, and we should probably stick to actual more common scumhunting methods

A lot of roles can target you without you knowing? I don't get any of the logic behind this.

I'm going to look back to one of my old games, because I cba to look in recent mafia threads. In FE4 mafia (mine, not Rein's) the tracker targeted mafia on Night 1 and 3rd party on Night 3, both of whom weren't very active targets as far as I can remember. Does that mean he's more scummy for targeting them though he would never have known they were not townies?

I guessed scum would go for a safe kill because it's what I would have done in that situation. Isn't that obvious?

Check that confidence level a little bit ;)

j00 is the female Green, who never interacted with a Ninetales - In fact, it was the other two main characters of the first arc (Red and Gary) who had anything to do with Ninetales.

Flavour speccing is gonna cause you to lose a third townie. Then again, flavour spec has shown that one of Mancer/j00 is scum - If you're actually gonna trust the Town Watcher, of course.

[Jaybee]

Mancer, where's the snide comments about me being scum?

[MancerNecro]

JB, I suggest you read Daisy Oak's flip. She's Green's sister which implies that Green is the male character and Blue is the female. BBM has also clarified and confirmed this in-thread.

[BBM]

As everyone returned from Strawman’s fall, they began to point fingers at JB. “Why isn’t he doing anything?” someone yelled.

“More importantly, why does he keep referring to Blue and Green by their English names when the Japanese ones are clearly better!?” someone else shouted, standing up and shaking his fist at JB.

“Kill him! Kill him!” As the chorus grew larger in volume, Helios and Mancer picked up the struggling and protesting JB and strapped him to a chair, where a Pikachu electrocuted him with Thunderbolt. He screamed, his voice fading out as slowly as his life. JB’s role PM was retrieved from his burnt body. He was:

Dear Shatter, you are the Pokemon Fan Club President, the League Non-Consecutive Night Watcher.

You are the President of the Vermillion City Pokemon Fan Club, and an avid lover of Pokemon.

Initially, you simply discussed pokemon and read pokemon magazines with the members of your club, and hated pokemon battling. However, after Red saved your pokemon from the clutches of Team Rocket, you have begun watching pokemon battles- a hobby that has taught you to be as observant when watching people as well. Therefore, at night, you may reply to your role PM with <Night X: Watch USER>. You will watch USER very closely, and at the end of the night, will learn who visited USER during that night. However, you are an old man incapable of gallivanting out every night, and so must take a rest the night after you use your ability.

You win when all threats to the League are eliminated.

It is now Night 3. It will end at 10:30 PM EST on January 3rd 2013. Prims will probably do the update and send out results because I will most likely be away.

[Jaybee]

I am very much aware of Daisy's flip. If you're confused, I'm referring to Gary as the d00d and Green as the female, because that's the translation I'm used to. If you can't understand it, swap Green with, like, Amanda or some other female name and you'll see where I'm getting at. Amanda's the only main character of the original trio to never interact with a Ninetales, so why does it appear as part of her supposed role?