I Can't Believe It's not SFMM4! - Game Over

[Junk]

##Unvote

##Vote: Poly

Because his vote on FFM is poorly explained (unless he's voting her for an overreaction and because he disagrees with where she's putting her vote) and right after said post he discredits his reasoning by saying that, "it could just be a newbie not knowing any better." He also has not mentioned FFM except saying "still think FFM is bad" since. By now he's commented on several other things and said he would look at Iris but hasn't given any other reads that the things he's commenting on are giving him or that he got from that Iris read, he hasn't given any more reasoning for his FFM suspicion either.

Basically he's around and posting but he's not posting reads or furthering the game with his posts (imo).

I don't really see how bad logic is a scum tell.

reads or are you still rereading? also would appreciate if you answered this question right here

[Da Bear]

Working on it. I just posted that one.

what do you mean by this?

I mean that townreads I get off of a skim read are not reliable and I don't want to say anything about them when a more in-depth read could change my mind.

[Darros]

Dude, scumhunting based on activity was so 2009.

if you're talking about Wen, it's more of "he's been here and posted but not posted anything of content." Eurykins being not here has nothing to do with how I feel about him, it's just that post in particular. I just need to see more before I can commit to anything for certain.

- Darros needs to come to the year 2014

i cant believe you're denying my grooviness

I don't really see how bad logic is a scum tell.

"Off" -> "doesn't sit right with me" -> scummy

or at least that's how I'm interpreting it here.

[euklyd]

On my phone so I can't realquote, but

Your Refa "Scumbuddy" stuff is hilariously unrelated and your vote isn't doing anything unless you actually have a reason to keep it there sooooooooooo yea

You forgot my empty unvote, too!

Not sure why Cocomon is defending me, though. Elieson's vote is pretty reasonable, IMO.

Scumspects: Iris, FFM, Phoenix, Elieson, Darros

Elieson's initial Iris vote was still bad, but apparently it was a reaction test?

I disagree with Cocomon on Phoenix handling himself well; while it looks like he knows his way around a mafia game, he's been saying a lot of nothing, and then he votes Bearclaw for being inactive when there are definitely scummier players.

I'll show you a prodvote!

##vote: Phoenix

Reads like a safe vote to, and on someone you don't even think is scum.

Anyways I just recently discovered that my family was planning on dragging me around to ~various places~, and then I have another thing to do tomorrow.

Basically I will have questionable time levels and access to internet this weekend.

Plays are cool, phoneposting less so. Discovering you didn't have network where you thought you did is even worse.

[Iris]

NO, WALLPOSTS; fuck, I thought Eurykins and Euklyd were the same person, and then I realized the former hasn't really existed

##Unvote

##Vote: Poly

#sheepingthis

##Unvote

##Vote: Poly

But I actually noticed that Poly said he would "reread" my iso or something like that, and although he said that, he's seemed to ignore it. That's a scummy scumtell if you ask me.

Nikki Minaj is probably one of my strongest townreads at the moment, because his posts have value at least

I disagree. Darros isn't that much better than our inactives when it comes to content, since sometimes he posts content, and other times he posts irrelevant offtopic shit that no one cares about.

will respond to other things in a few minutes

[Refa]

What even is there to ISO on Day 1, seriously. Fuck, now that I've made that irrelevant joke post, I'll have to make an actual content post soon after lest I incur the wrath of the other players. Give me a few, I guess...

[Iris]

GUYS, 24 HOURS LEFT, WHERE ARE YOU ALL

so i'm going to summarize my thoughts in a listpost, sorry if you hate listposts, ok

I found Elieson's vote switch off me a little weird, tbh, I'm leaning more towards him being scum trying to draw attention away from himself rather than honestly believing that I'm townish for my reactions... it just reads as suspicious to me. However, I do think that Eukyld isn't looking too hot.

Poly still looks bad for reasons stated.

I don't think Refa is towny town town, unlike other people in this thread. I know he's sorta been around and his activity for being so is atrocious. However, like I said earlier, I don't know his scum!meta well, nor do I believe that lack of activity is a tell.

I have town reads, but won't out them for obvious reasons. And a huge lot of you are null for not existing.

[SB.]

I will admit that I shamelessly stole these from Prims.

VOTALS

Bearclaw (3) - Eclipse, Shinori, Phoenix
FFM (3) - Poly, Eurykins, Darros
Elieson (2) - Green Poet, Refa
Polydeuces (2) - Bearclaw, Iris
Euklyd (1) - Elieson
Kopfjager (1) - FFM
Phoenix (1) - Euklyd

Not Voting (2) - Kopfjager

With 15 players alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch at deadline and 8 votes to hammer. You have 22 hours and 30 minutes left. Phase ends at 5 PM EST on Sunday (10 PM GMT).

Edited April 26, 2014 by SB.

[eclipse]

##Unvote

##Vote: Poly

Because his vote on FFM is poorly explained (unless he's voting her for an overreaction and because he disagrees with where she's putting her vote) and right after said post he discredits his reasoning by saying that, "it could just be a newbie not knowing any better." He also has not mentioned FFM except saying "still think FFM is bad" since. By now he's commented on several other things and said he would look at Iris but hasn't given any other reads that the things he's commenting on are giving him or that he got from that Iris read, he hasn't given any more reasoning for his FFM suspicion either.

Basically he's around and posting but he's not posting reads or furthering the game with his posts (imo).

Pot, kettle, etc.

if you're talking about Wen, it's more of "he's been here and posted but not posted anything of content." Eurykins being not here has nothing to do with how I feel about him, it's just that post in particular. I just need to see more before I can commit to anything for certain.

"Off" -> "doesn't sit right with me" -> scummy

or at least that's how I'm interpreting it here.

Part 1: If you wander outside of this forum (GASP!), you'd see a bunch of short posts by Yours Truly during that time frame. Unlike mafia, the topics I replied to can be posted in while I'm on the edge of PUNCH WALL. Thus, if you're going to hold Wen to that, you're holding me to that as well.

Part 2: You think it's scum logic. Fine, it's a read, which are pretty scarce as of late.

Hey, uh, reads? Elieson - uh, that's off the Irisvote only? Phoenix - okay, I can follow that logic. The rest: HUH? Darros had posted something since then (a response to me), and he's still on this list, and that Iris read is pretty weak, if your last wall was anything to go off of.

This reads like a prodvote. And it's a bit late for those, and you might as well vote bearclaw for the exact same thing. That second part applies to you, too. ;/

So I see bearclaw voting for Poly for reasons that can apply to him, and Iris is voting for Poly with reasons that can apply to bearclaw, with other observations that can apply to herself, and Darros holding Wen to something that I should also be held to. This game is confusing. Can I request the mods kill off everyone except for me so that town wins?

If we're going to hold Poly accountable for rereading, I'm holding bearclaw to it, as well.

[MRDRHAWK]

I've been gone all day, chill.

-Frosty's votes so far have been relatively bad. Aside from RVS, they consist of a retaliatory vote on Shinori and two prodvotes, on Elie & Kopf. As well, he hasn't really done much else in the way of finding scum; even when he was asked by both Iris & Shinori, he gave only one-line answers.

-After re-reading Iris, I don't think she's scum. I'm not getting much of a scum vibe from her, because nothing I've seen of her really stood out.

-Shinori & Darros both feel obvtown to me for varying reasons.

-Nothing's changed wrt GP in my books, don't want to lynch her.

-Phoenix needs to actually give reads instead of quipping and commentating on shit.

-Not seeing the suspicion on Elie. He's actually done a good job of analyzing things so far, and I feel like a lot of the suspicion is because he's called people out, maybe?

-Kopf is probably a good candidate to get vig'd.

-Euk's bugging me a bit; he doesn't seem to be getting many reads that he's acting on.

As for the rest... eh, I'll go null. Bear in particular needs to post more, though.

Lynch priority: Frosty > Phoenix > Euk > Kopf > a whole bunch of others > Iris = Elie > Darros > Shinori > me.

[FrostyFireMage]

Bearclaw's combination of being inactive and voting Poly when he hasn't exactly been furthering the game himself isn't painting him very well.

Elieson is more of a null read to me since he does make some good points about Euklyd, who I'm now getting a slight null/town read from because of his latest post.

Poly finally gave his opinions on other players instead of reiterating the same shit over and over, although I don't like how he had to be reminded to do so. Slight scumread.

Darros, apart from having half of his posts criticizing me in the most charming way, doesn't seem like scum. Not yet, anyway. And I thought I did answer everyone's questions. Sorry if you were expecting a novel or something.

There's too little to go on for Phoenix, IMO.

##Unvote

##Vote: Bearclaw

[Refa]

So, how about that Dallas? Besides it being a nice place and my friend lives there.

-His first post amounts to an RVS vote and some filler, standard faire for the time. Then he unvotes his RVS vote and votes someone else because he can. Sure.

- His next content post appears after a lot of spam. It's a large post, but a good deal of it is surface level material poking at bad play or poor wording but making little effort to scumhunt. Also his misinterpretation of bearclaw's stance bothers me. Granted, this could all be because Darros hasn't played forever and is having a hard time getting back into the fold of things, but even with that in mind it still bothers me (albeit less so than if it was someone who played more often).

-His next post has some of the same issues, but I don't really have any issues with it? Something about his comments comes off as genuine, like a townie trying to get a better grasp on his reads. With that said, I don't like how despite supposedly having multiple scumreads, the only legit one is FFM while the others are complaining about inactives. Just comes across as scum trying to seem more productive than they actually are.

Overall: So yes, I do think Darros is worse than Eliescum/10. I know that my read is weakened in several places (him not having played in a while makes it harder to read him, some of his comments in his second post did give me town vibes), but I do genuinely feel that my issues outweigh those points.

##Unvote

##Vote: Darros

Now time to read the past few pages. JOY TO THE WORLD~

[FrostyFireMage]

Also did Eurykins disappear completely? nothing in 36 hours. Only 1 content post, and the entirety of it was just ripping on FFM. I think FFM is scum, but he ignored everyone else in the thread, focusing purely on FFM. There was something about vig/Wen in there too but it was weird and I think a joke. What he did seemed to be tunneling, and if he posts more I'd look into it. But at this rate he may not come back.

That's rich, seeing as how half of your post seemed to be "FROSTYISSCUM"

[Green Poet]

I don't get this reasoning. I mean like sure you started around the same time but that doesn't mean you're going to always be at the same level, different people pick things up faster than others and they're not always going to be at the same level. Also iso'd Elieson and, even though I have my doubts on him too, I don't really see an instance of him being really being condescending. I understand your views on his reads but imo the other things outweigh it, including the fact that this is omgus. Even though you're admitting it it doesn't make it more acceptable, imo.

Also ##vote bearclaw

Hasn't responded to my question from yesterday and could stand to be more active. (Yeah I know I could too)

So you find issues with Iris and Elieson's posts. . . but decide to prodvote bear? Why is he more important than people whom you think may be scum?

I have town reads, but won't out them for obvious reasons.

Unless you've picked up on PR crumbing, I don't see why not?

#sheepingthis

##Unvote

##Vote: Poly

But I actually noticed that Poly said he would "reread" my iso or something like that, and although he said that, he's seemed to ignore it. That's a scummy scumtell if you ask me.

Are you talking about the last sentence at the end of this post? That's rather nitpicky by itself; is there anything else about Poly that makes you confident in your vote on him?

Would like to see more from Eury; the one non-RVS vote she's made isn't very recent, and felt rather opportunistic in the spirit of getting on the FFM wagon.

[Shinori]

Not really here I'll be back in a bit with activity but skimming over things I figured I should state stuff I know about Eury's activity.

Yesterday she wasn't around her comp mostly all day and today she's working at the aquarium and probably won't be back till this evening.

[FrostyFireMage]

Also, does anyone know if Phoenix is a new player? I had that feeling from his latest post.

[eclipse]

Yo Green Poet, since you seem to be here (or just were). . .your thoughts on the recent stuff?

[Eurykins]

Blah. IRL stuffs popping up one thing after another. Won't really be able to post for another 24-48 hours reliably, and popping blisters all over my hands due to yardwork is making any typing effort a pain in the ass. ;/ Due to that:

Requesting Sub please.

(Apologies to the rest of the players.)

[Green Poet]

Yo Green Poet, since you seem to be here (or just were). . .your thoughts on the recent stuff?

My last post covered what most stuck out to me out of the recent posts, but I suppose there's always more to be read.

Poly finally gave his opinions on other players instead of reiterating the same shit over and over, although I don't like how he had to be reminded to do so. Slight scumread.

I agree that it was odd how Poly's posts had focused exclusively on FFM and my claim. His most recent listpost doesn't explain too much about why each of his reads are where they are, though he did say we'll see more from him over time. Worth keeping an eye on.

Poly still looks bad for reasons stated.

I don't think Refa is towny town town, unlike other people in this thread. I know he's sorta been around and his activity for being so is atrocious. However, like I said earlier, I don't know his scum!meta well, nor do I believe that lack of activity is a tell.

I don't like this. Iris' sole stated reason for voting Poly was that he didn't end up delivering on a one-sentence statement on how he was planning on rereading Elieson and herself, behavior which is essentially lack of activity and shouldn't be a tell. And, of course, a case like that is fundamentally flawed in that it mistakes negligence/forgetfulness for scum intent.

I'm also not liking the cases on Darros right now, as he's seemed fairly townish to me so far, though I haven't ISO'd him intently myself and should probably do that soon.

[MRDRHAWK]

Poly finally gave his opinions on other players instead of reiterating the same shit over and over, although I don't like how he had to be reminded to do so. Slight scumread.

Okay, sorry that this isn't really a content post, but you know full well why I wasn't able to focus on making a content post earlier. Please don't hold my personal problems over my mafia play.

[eclipse]

Get well soon Eury!

I'm reading Darros as "stuck in the past" - during a time when things like player activity were A Thing when it came to scumhunting; thus, it's null IMO. Not really feeling his case or lynch ATM. Poly needs to thoroughly reread the thread as opposed to feeding us sound bytes (bearclaw falls under this too, but he's somehow managed to say less than Poly).

[Refa]

OK, I don't really get the bearclaw wagon. Yeah, he hasn't done much, but he's exhibited similar behavior as town and it seems like people are calling him out due to being inactive rather than because he's actually scummy. I guess after he mentioned hated turned off in LYLO, scum was like "WELL FUCK USELESS TO US" and decided to lynch him. That is definitely what happened. Like as far as active lurkers are concerned, I'm a lot more bothered by Phoenix because he's done fuck all and what is there is a lot worse than whatever bearclaw has done.

I'd rather lynch Frosty (before you ask, I mean over bearclaw not Darros), honestly. Yeah, I know I was reading him as town earlier, but since then he's made me question that with some of his posts and I feel like he's just coasting off of his newb town appearance at this point. Like it's obvious that his bearclaw vote is a "not me over me" vote but he tries to paint it as something more (but he can't because bearclaw has done bearly anything). Also reads Poly as slightly scum for putting out more content seriously (just because someone asked Poly to do it doesn't invalidate the actual act of putting out content)? And he mentions that Phoenix has done too little even though the same can be said of bearclaw whoah (probably should have thought more about your vote there buddy). Just like with Darros, it's all very surface level comments without any scumhunting to back them up. Before someone asks why I'm voting Darros over FFM, it's because Darros is more experienced so I'm giving him less leeway on this.

Also just wanted to address something that bothers me in general. Anyone who qualifies their scumreads with stuff like "slightly scum" or "null, leaning town" is either scum or shouldn't be taken seriously. You either have a read on a player (which can either be town or scum) or you don't (a null read), none of this fencesitting is necessary, thank you very much.

Euklyd's wall post was good. There's definitely some bias due to him agreeing with me on a lot of things, but even discounting that I feel about about it despite prior failed bussing attempts. Also, Euklyd is always town or something even in the game where he was mafia he was town so there.

I don't get how Elieson could vote Euklyd without even commenting on his wall post. Euklyd's prior content being lame I am totally on board with, but like how can you fail to comment on possibly the most important post from the person you're scumreading? Wait...Euklyd, explain how Elieson's vote on you is reasonable. Because I'm not seeing it, and it's weird as hell that you weren't bothered by this too.

How are people townreading Darros what is this I don't even. This is even worse than the bearclaw scum reads.

I don't get this reasoning. I mean like sure you started around the same time but that doesn't mean you're going to always be at the same level, different people pick things up faster than others and they're not always going to be at the same level. Also iso'd Elieson and, even though I have my doubts on him too, I don't really see an instance of him being really being condescending. I understand your views on his reads but imo the other things outweigh it, including the fact that this is omgus. Even though you're admitting it it doesn't make it more acceptable, imo.

Also ##vote bearclaw

Hasn't responded to my question from yesterday and could stand to be more active. (Yeah I know I could too)

OMGUS isn't inherently scummy IMO. Also you voting bearclaw over FFM is suspect as fuck considering your prior content.

Also I'm kind of surprised that people think I'm townie, because generally people think my town play is scummy as fuck. I don't know what's going on here, but I wouldn't be surprised if I end up getting shot this night phase. All I have to say is come at me scum, I welcome the challenge.

[Refa]

That was supposed to say I feel good about Euklyd, go me. Pro posting skills.

Also to add to my Phoenix point, even assuming that his FFM read changed and he just hadn't posted anything about it, it's still a weak vote compared to his Iris suspicion listed in the same post.

[Phoenix01]

Reads:

Poly- not really suspicious, I guess null is the proper terminology here (?)

Darros- I dislike his avatar therefore lynch but he seems pretty townish I guess? Some of his content isn't related to the game, however and

Iris- Some suspicion based on that omgus but otherwise not much. I'm not sure why you'd withhold reads, unless I'm missing something obvious.

Refa- A bit iffy, not really sure what the point of #256 was. I looked at his read of Darros and I feel like the only really worthwhile support of his vote comes from bullet #2 and I don't think that's enough to warrant him being "more suspicious than eliescum".

Green Poet- I believe his claim, nothing else really stands out.

Me- hello

Elieson- I have a minor red flag over him trying to pass GP's role off as sort of "better dead than alive" because of that "no nightkills for no information" even though he clearly stated all townies wouldn't be able to act. Also don't really understand his Euklyd vote without responding to the (actual content) post he made before.

Junko- nothing much, really

FFM- Yesterday I thought he was the most scummy here, then he got better, and now I think he's going back. His choice in voting is pretty suspicious. His vote on elieson was strange because, at least imo, elie's been contributing and active. You also asked Iris to expound on her vote for Elie when you didn't. And then he changed his vote to kopf, whattt. A pressure vote isn't going to do much at this stage. Nothing really to say about his bearclaw vote.

Eclipse- Not much to say.

Shinori- One of the other most pro-townies, he's done nothing to make me suspicious.

Eurykins- Not much to say. Do hope you get better though!

Bearclaw- I don't get his vote on Poly, and I'm still suspicious of what he's done before.

Kopf- could stand to post more. Have fun at that wedding though.

Euklyd- Not much to say. Seems rather townish aside from that.

@Green Poet (#264): I voted him because at least they (Iris and Elieson) are contributing and I have issues with his as well.

@Euklyd (#234): It felt like he was sort of trying to cover himself, imo.

@Junko(#246): Why did he vote Euklyd instead of the other three you listed? If we're all acting the same then does it matter which one he picks?

[eclipse]

Hey, TWO content posts. Sort of.

Refa - This is a case of history meets someone who's a very popular D1 lynch, and I see the exact same thing in play right now. That's why I'd rather not lynch Darros this instant. I don't understand why the heck you wrote that about Poly. Meh on the rest of it, as it looks like we're looking at things upside-down and opposite (again).

Phoenix - I get the feeling that you skimmed for that wall, and that bothers me. For example, what you said about Iris can also apply to me. Normally, I'd shove "skim list" under null, but this is after several people commented about your lack of content. Coasters belong on my coffee table, not in a mafia game. I also see no mention of the recent stuff bearclaw posted, despite having his vote there.

##Unvote

##Vote: Phoenix