Yume Nikki Mafia - Day 3

[Bluedoom]

Telling the truth about what, I don't understand

[Refa]

About his flavor lol.

[Shinori]

Anyway there might be a chance that Refa's faking because I don't Shin was joking when he talked about his ice cream flavour and I assumed VTs were the ones that have some flavour but I could be wrong about that.

I'll look into the Refa cases right now and see if he's a stronger lynch than Poly. I honestly don't like BBM's vote hopping though, I've felt that he has lacked conviction behind any of his votes this D phase.

Didn't he just say like he was the flavor of an ice cream? Not that he had ice cream flavour >_>

[Sunwoo]

What's scummy about that? I already posted my reads before this response. My reasons for voting Shin were more detailed than for Randa, so I don't see why that's the case. Additionally, I was townreading Marth after I unvoted him, why else would I have under his post "would sheep"?

The way you gave your scum reads is disjointed, like you're only focusing on the person you're voting and if you're not voting them they're not worth talking. And that's scummy because it feels like your scum reads disappear into the void once you unvote them, you drop them as suspects without much of an explanation. I don't mind that you started town reading Marth. But I want to know WHY. Also, the way you were switching your vote around every post you made makes your vote look very fickle, like you don't have strong convictions on anything or anyone, which is scummy.

Elieson voting Shin and Shin voting him doesn't qualify. They were still doing other things and not death tunneling each other. So no, it wasn't more notable to me than other events. Also you completely missed what I said about Shin; "Not sure what to think of Shin. Like yeah, he's made some bad plays like a reactionary vote and SB brought up a good point about his meta but like...Shin tends to be a lot more forgettable as scum. It just doesn't feel right." So yeah, I did explain my read at the time. No, not really. How would SB's alignment influence what I thought about Elieson v Shin at all? Just because I thought he was town, doesn't mean I'd necessarily agree with his perspective (even if that's what ended up happening).

It DOES qualify, because it was a thing that was happening and to some degree while you were around. They don't have to be death tunneling each other for you to form some opinion on them or to have a comment on what they're doing, even if it's something like "in-town fighting" or "they're both overreacting". I didn't miss what you said about Shin, but the Shin read feels like it exists in a void. The entirety of that read on Shin is pretty much derived from his interactions with Elie, but the only thing you say about Elie is "I had no problems with him". Why?

SB's alignment doesn't mean anything, but it looks like you pretty much avoided talking about his contribution to whatever happened. And that's my issue with you. Because while you did ~sort of~ talk about the Elie-Shin-SB thing, you managed to avoid talking about it directly, giving an opinion on Shin that seems to exist in a void and an unexplained town read on Elieson and SB without talking about what they've done.

[Bluedoom]

I'm saying what you're saying Shinori unless you're confusing the fuck outta me

And Refa if you were scum you'd still want to push a Shin lynch for a mislynch. That and since you thought it was a joke, its irrelevant to thinkign Shin's lying/being truthful

[Elieson]

Refa, what I mean is that vanilla claims do nothing towards an alignment tell on d1, so they essentially do nothing but muddle reads. I was kind of being sarcastic tho, since one vanilla claim is no longer a lynch option and another one (the second of many, I'm sure) is.

And Refa that response to Marth is wrong. If you are faking vanilla claim, maybe shin is faking it too. You have no way of knowing unless you are same aligned, that shin is town. Unless you're a mason anyway.

BBM still buying vanilla claims makes me wanna just do reaction tests every game then claim vanilla d1 in case he's on my tail over it. That's the implication I get from BBM, that he's easily willing to dismiss suspicion based more on a self imposed policy than on content.

[Scarlet]

So is this day seriously gonna end on a 5/5/5 vote split now or what

[Shinori]

I'm saying what you're saying Shinori unless you're confusing the fuck outta me

And Refa if you were scum you'd still want to push a Shin lynch for a mislynch. That and since you thought it was a joke, its irrelevant to thinkign Shin's lying/being truthful

No the way I read it he was saying that he had the flavor of an ice cream: As in taste like chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, etc etc. It was a creative way of him saying he was a Vanilla.

I don't think at all that he was saying the flavour of his role pm had anything to do with ice cream.

[Eurykins]

Kinda started automatically typing in the quote box itself, just FYI, and given the limited amount of time left, I can't be bothered to remove it/reformat it. So you'll have to endure it, Scarlet.

Uhm, no? The list literally stated that I'd lynch everyone else over SB.

Including yourself. Just sayin'.

That's all fine and well, but you're holding against me that I'm trying to prevent what I know to be a mislynch. That's what my issue with your argument is.

Well, yeah. You and I obviously differ in terms of PoV of how we're perceiving you. You say it'll be a mislynch. I have reason to believe otherwise.

Again, you're missing the point of that statement. The point is that from my PoV, my actions are perfectly logical as town. Claiming town is pointless, and I'm not sure why you'd even think that was the purpose of my statement.

And no, stop reversing the argument. The point is not that I'm playing "based on image", the point is that you'll not accept any response as valid and will see scum intent in anything I do. That's scum behaviour.

I think you're missing my point as well. I never said you stated it to literally claim that you were town to us/from your PoV. My point is that you're literally padding up your responses with nonsensical statements like that as verification of why you object to the logic at hand. In addition, my argument/point has always been the fact that you've been self-conscious for the majority of the game. I don't know how that's "reversing" or otherwise changing it from the original wall post/case/issues I had with you. In addition, if I saw scum intent in anything/everything you did (and it applied to the rest of my gameplay), I'd literally be doing that for everyone else as well as part of my gameplay, according to that notion (to avoid making it seem weird/obvious about suddenly tunneling you with that logic/tactic), which in itself is incorrect. (And I did not discredit all of your points either in your posts, so I clearly am not hammering that mentality when approaching your posts as a whole.) So I feel as though you're more misrepping my intentions/thought process wrt your posts more than anything.

I never said you outright stated it, I said you were giving me that impression. The one who's putting words in others' mouths is you, not me.

You implied that it's what I was meaning by saying what I was or was otherwise the intended message for you to get/obtain from my post. Which is highly inaccurate.

Fallacy: The people that have been busy piling shitty votes on me were the most active ones for most of the phase, and I've been busy responding to them and explaining why they're shitty. By your own logic, I was scumhunting.

Responding to them sure. Playing off/dismissing cases on you, okay. But how is that scumhunting when you've gathered no other scum reads (until recently on Shinori) since Poly/Randa? How has nothing pinged you since those two, until it came down to myself and Shinori and others digging through your posts more? You make your entire gameplay feel like it's based on you REACTING to people's posts and responding to them for your scum-hunting, not proactively going out to do so. Sure you may have thrown out questions, but due to you worrying about how your responses/reactions/words would be taken/interpreted by others, you choose to limit them, and thus you do not openly express your thoughts/reads/etc. on the rest of the players around you. None of your posting has screamed, "I'm digging for scum in this game!" but moreso of, "I feel the need to pull back into my shell, fend off the offenders at my doorstep, and then toss some crumbs on the porch for the rest to snack on."

I had no reason to assume that neither Poly nor Randa would ever respond to any of my questions.

So why sit on Poly vote 'til the vote swap to Shinori? Why not utilize your vote somewhere more useful?

Also:

If I was faking, then I would've known Shin was telling the truth, no?

Uh, this is assuming that there's only one vanilla role/flavor in this game? (And I thought Prims implied otherwise?)

[Bluedoom]

No the way I read it he was saying that he had the flavor of an ice cream: As in taste like chocolate, vanilla, strawberry, etc etc. It was a creative way of him saying he was a Vanilla.

I don't think at all that he was saying the flavour of his role pm had anything to do with ice cream.

Oh

Clarification : My role says something about flavours which I didn't understand until the Shin claim, which is why I took it srsly

[Refa]

If it helps any, I'm the Sewer Demon. Can't get any townier than demons in the sewer right hahahahahahahaha dammit Prims.

The way you gave your scum reads is disjointed, like you're only focusing on the person you're voting and if you're not voting them they're not worth talking. And that's scummy because it feels like your scum reads disappear into the void once you unvote them, you drop them as suspects without much of an explanation. I don't mind that you started town reading Marth. But I want to know WHY. Also, the way you were switching your vote around every post you made makes your vote look very fickle, like you don't have strong convictions on anything or anyone, which is scummy.

It DOES qualify, because it was a thing that was happening and to some degree while you were around. They don't have to be death tunneling each other for you to form some opinion on them or to have a comment on what they're doing, even if it's something like "in-town fighting" or "they're both overreacting". I didn't miss what you said about Shin, but the Shin read feels like it exists in a void. The entirety of that read on Shin is pretty much derived from his interactions with Elie, but the only thing you say about Elie is "I had no problems with him". Why?

SB's alignment doesn't mean anything, but it looks like you pretty much avoided talking about his contribution to whatever happened. And that's my issue with you. Because while you did ~sort of~ talk about the Elie-Shin-SB thing, you managed to avoid talking about it directly, giving an opinion on Shin that seems to exist in a void and an unexplained town read on Elieson and SB without talking about what they've done.

Marth became a town read and I'm still scum reading Randa. So no, that's not true; I've already mentioned how my reads have changed. I feel the best about Shin and Randa flipping scum. Just because I didn't make as many posts as other people doesn't weaken my convictions.

Nope, because it wasn't significant to me. You could make the EXACT SAME POINT about any other read people were having at the time and use it against me. I don't have any problems with Elie because his reaction test didn't read as scummy to me, which was the issue people had with him at the time.

Not explaining your town reads is scummy? And I've already explained my opinion about Shin. Your case is very strange, because it's focusing on things that I've done before without taking a look at my present content at all. For one, you've never bothered to say anything about my Shin vote despite other people taking issue with it. Why is that?

I'm saying what you're saying Shinori unless you're confusing the fuck outta me

And Refa if you were scum you'd still want to push a Shin lynch for a mislynch. That and since you thought it was a joke, its irrelevant to thinkign Shin's lying/being truthful

I'm not talking about pushing Shin, just flavor.

And Refa that response to Marth is wrong. If you are faking vanilla claim, maybe shin is faking it too. You have no way of knowing unless you are same aligned, that shin is town. Unless you're a mason anyway.

I don't get what your point is here?

[Sunwoo]

Wow, for some reason I thought that phase ended at 11 instead of 10

So, uh.

[Prims]

Day 1.11 - Votals

Polydeuces (5) - scorri, Kay, Bluedoom, Scarlet, Refa

Refa (5) - Sangyul, Shin, eclipse, SB, BBM

Scarlet (5) - Randa, Mitsuki, Shinori, Eurykins, Elieson

Elieson (1) - Polydeuces

Not Voting (0): None!

You have 30 minutes left in the day. With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[Bluedoom]

Ok so apparently by flavour its actually related to chars, gg me

[Eurykins]

Goddamnit. Time ticking down and we're all running the 5-5-5 shit in votals.

Refa, Myself, Bluedoom, Shinori, Scarlet, Sangyul, Elieson- we're the only ones actively posting at this point. ;/

Refa's obvs not going to vote himself.

Likewise for Scarlet.

We have to compromise somewhere and hope to hit scum. Either that or scum's going to successfully stall us out D1 lynch. Either way, votes need to swap, and fast before we run out of time.

[Scarlet]

Response to Eury's #309:

Technically, yes, including myself, although really I didn't bother including myself because it should be obvious that no players wants themselves lynched. Call it lazy if you want.

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How is explaining my thought process a "nonsensical statement"? There, you're doing it again - you're just discrediting my response with no justification.

The other part is literally getting into WIFOM territory, so I'm not going to give a serious response to that.

No, that's wrong. I'm not going to repeat myself.

If that's how you choose to perceive it, I have nothing else to say. I have already explained my PoV.

I can literally repeat my response to that:

"Because I had no reason to assume that neither Poly nor Randa would ever respond to any of my questions."

The vote swap to Shinori was after I'd ended up giving up on getting a response from Poly.

[Refa]

Goddamnit. Time ticking down and we're all running the 5-5-5 shit in votals.

Refa, Myself, Bluedoom, Shinori, Scarlet, Sangyul, Elieson- we're the only ones actively posting at this point. ;/

Refa's obvs not going to vote himself.

Likewise for Scarlet.

We have to compromise somewhere and hope to hit scum. Either that or scum's going to successfully stall us out D1 lynch. Either way, votes need to swap, and fast before we run out of time.

Then vote Polydeuces. ;/

[Shinori]

I'd probably vote Poly today if Scarlet vote doesn't go through.

20 minutes.

[Scarlet]

Judging from what people are currently online, it seems like the only realistic lynch at this point is Refa, as we can't switch our votes to wagons we're already on.

##Unvote

##Vote: Refa

Consolidation only.

[Sunwoo]

Marth became a town read and I'm still scum reading Randa. So no, that's not true; I've already mentioned how my reads have changed. I feel the best about Shin and Randa flipping scum. Just because I didn't make as many posts as other people doesn't weaken my convictions.

How am I supposed to KNOW that when you don't make any mention of it at the time in your posts? You barely said anything about Randa when you unvoted him to vote Shin. Even a "I still find X scummy, but I find Y worse" helps me keep track of your thoughts. I honestly can't find you mentioning how your reads have changed. You don't need as many posts as other people, but sounding disjointed and not efforting does weaken your convictions.

Nope, because it wasn't significant to me. You could make the EXACT SAME POINT about any other read people were having at the time and use it against me. I don't have any problems with Elie because his reaction test didn't read as scummy to me, which was the issue people had with him at the time.

IT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS HAPPENING IN THE GAME :| And no opinion on Elie and his vote on Shin at the time, which was made before you made your post? Or Elie's reactions to Shin's response vote on him?

Not explaining your town reads is scummy? And I've already explained my opinion about Shin. Your case is very strange, because it's focusing on things that I've done before without taking a look at my present content at all. For one, you've never bothered to say anything about my Shin vote despite other people taking issue with it. Why is that?

Ignoring things that are happening is scummy, and I feel like you're misinterpreting what I say, whether willfully or unknowingly. Not explaining your town reads isn't scummy, but if you have an actual read on someone you had BETTER be prepared to back up your reasoning and explain why if asked. I never bothered to say anything about your Shin vote because I don't have a problem with it. My problem with you is that I feel you are not looking at the whole picture and that you're avoiding giving solid opinions on things that are happening. Heck, I don't think you ever even gave a solid opinion on the Scarlet thing that's been going on until after you were under pressure.

[BBM]

Meh I feel like if one of Refa or Scarlet were scum, they would have voted the other much sooner, unless they're buddies, which I don't think is especially likely. They both pushed Poly as a counterwagon until that was the only option so.

##Unvote, ##Vote: Polydeuces

Yeah I know I've been defending Poly idc

[Bluedoom]

Tbh the only cases on Refa that I think have some merit are SB's and Boron's

I'd still lynch him over Scarlet atm though.

[Eurykins]

"Because I had no reason to assume that neither Poly nor Randa would ever respond to any of my questions."

= So? You had the cases on Poly/Randa. Good for you. If they're not active to discredit or otherwise respond to your questions, fine. Keep the cases alive and with you on your priority list. That's not a reason to not utilize your vote elsewhere for pressure/pushing for more from the more active players in the game. And if all else fails, and by the end your cases didn't change, okay, move back to Poly/Randa. Not hard. I don't see why you're using that as your reason to let your vote stagnate and otherwise do practically nothing.

@Refa: True. Or we could vote for you instead. Which could be done, if Shinori, Bluedoom, and I vote swap to you. Very opportunistic though, to tag someone who can't say much atm. (EDIT: With BBM's vote change, he'd need to move back over to you.)

[Sunwoo]

Ugh, what are votals now? We have like less than 15 minutes to consolidate.

[Bluedoom]

We're still at 5-5-5 Boron