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FE1 Lena and Wrys.

Neither suck. At all. Saleh doesn't even really suck on Eph. Route. Eir. Route, he's great. Duessel is awesome on Eph. and still pretty good on Eir.

Not 100% true. I think that at least two gaiden chapters require the boss to be killed (rather than seizing) and one of them has three potential bosses, and the one you have to defeat is random. Anyways, I don't want "radical change" in FE. Small changes, even fairly large additions, as long as the game isn't radically changed. Fire Emblem has twelve games out, now. Thirteen if you count the BSFEs. You can't radically change a series after that many games when you've built up a fanbase. Especially a game like FE that doesn't have a huge fanbase to begin with.

I dunno. When the original came out, there wasn't an archetype yet. Gaiden didn't have a pair, and trying to figure out the pair here is... confusing. Alternatively, IS might be trying to get a red/green/blue trio going. FE9 had that, FE10 had that, FE11 had that, and now FE12 does, too. Not too likely, but possible. Maybe we'll see with the next FE game. I think for now, though, I'm content saying that there isn't really a pair here. Actually, looking closely at it, it's not a particularly strong archetype.

Doesn't change the fact that they weren't removed. Still, if they brought all those classes back and brought Jake and Beck back, why not make them ballisticians? They could easily tweak their weapons.

I was referring to the original FE3 Book 2 when I said "never."

For the third time, those are in the event that you go over the turn requirement.

Pretty much just Knoll.

Actually, when FE3 came out, there had only been one red/green pair, so you could actually say that this game just lacks the pair since, in the original, there was no red knight from the beginning. Alternatively, Abel/Cain could still be the pair.

So, while Rody/Cecil is the Green/Red knight pair, the cav duo is Rody/Luke? That's what seems most likely to me.

You seemed to be the only other person who was really interested in it. If other people want me to keep doing those, though, I will. And I take it no comments on the actual review means you have no problems with it?

It's back again! Now that it's the only actively running ranking topic for FE8, I think I'll be more motivated to finish. Kicking out the whole Sethskip thing, too. The idea's dead. Ross Ross joins in chapter 2 at effectively level -10, although his high level gain is actually caused by his class power. Now, this certainly has its advantages. A third of a level for just hitting something means that leveling him up, no matter how awful his performance, is not completely unmanageable. Which is nice, because he starts absolutely awful. 4-6HKOing with his hatchet. Now, if he takes a hand axe from his dad, he 3-4HKOs, but loses 25 HIT. Handaxe Ross is only pulling 50-60 HIT on enemies when they AREN'T on terrain, which chapter 2 is littered with. He can hit fairly reliably with his hatchet, though. His durability doesn't really start any better. 15 HP and 3 DEF? Awesome, that's 2HKOd by, well, everything. However, if he chips every turn, he averages about .9x33 EXP thanks to true hit, or about 30 EXP. That's about 30 turns if he only attacks once a turn until promotion to pirate. However, there are certain situations, especially as he levels up, where he can do some fighting on enemy phase and he will, on occasion, get kills, which is a lot more experience. He can probably promote by chapter 7. That would put him at 2HKOing, while rarely doubling, and being reasonably durable. Still not great there, but not bad. And throughout the game, his speed remains a problem. Still, his huge STR means that he isn't facing #HKO problems, and as a berserker has a good chance at OHKOing with a killer axe. Garm also gives a nice +5 SPD. Of course, 40 MT before even factoring in his huge STR means that he's OHKOing just about everything. He has mediocre SKL, however, so he will have some HIT problems. And his durability ends up solid. Not great, but he's got a good HP cushion on decent DEF, so solid. 4.5/10 Balancing Bump him up to level -6 (4) so that he's closer to promotion and is a little better at first. He's pretty close to the target range, so he doesn't need much of a change.

Plus if she's a mage she isn't a support unit.

Best: Lena Worst: Maria. At least you might actually want the extra thief at some point, and Rickard's not worse at actually opening the chests than Julian, just worse at combat. Maria is outclassed by anyone who joins before her and has access to cleric/curate. And anyone for another several chapters with access to bishop. Edit: SD Maria.

I'm atheist, but I don't disbelieve in the idea that there could be a deity.

Did that happen in the original?

And so Malice being raised simply as a myrmidon means her "true speed" (if you'd call it that) was only 20, meaning she only got +2. That makes sense.

I'm pretty sure that everything uses the DS clock for RNs, so I think it would work.

And it would give you the darksphere, right?

Oscar and Kieran WERE both in the army at one point, though, right? Well, since this is all character, not unit, I'd say that Cecil/Rody would be the new Red/Green knights, and Cain and Abel would be another returning set.

Maybe it has to do with Malice being a myrmidon before reclass? That's really strange.

He still isn't doubling without the 2 pt. bless.

Lowen does not have clearly better growths than Kent/Sain, they just apply to a different area. Frey was also not an Oifey. He's unpromoted, has poor weapon levels, and is not clearly superior to any of your other units at that point, let alone all of them. The archetype has been divided by color more than join time. Ignoring Luke, Rody, and Cecil, the duo has only joined at the same time seven times while it's joined at different times five times. That's not exactly consistent. Compared to personality, color, and weapon levels, which are all more consistent, Cecil seems to be the red knight. That's not to say it couldn't be Luke, though. Now, FE12 seems to imply that LukexRody is the duo, however, since IS decided that Cecil is now from a different platoon. FE3 does not have that, and they all join at the same time, however. The question of what's canon also plays into this some.

Are you calling me racist? The archetypes have traditionally been red and green knight. And Cecil's pretty clearly red. Besides that, Abel and Cain actually join at separate times more often than not. FE3 book 2, FE11, and FE12. And, all three joined together at the same time in FE3, and here, the prologue's not necessarily part of the main story, which they all join at the same time. Looked at their pasts, and, well, it gets confusing. According to FE3's page, all three are simply knights of Altea, and Luke was a gambler earlier, but in FE12, Luke wasn't, and Cecil was actually part of a different platoon. Edit: Maybe IS is trying to change up the archetype? It's really messed up in Tellius, and in these two most recent games, the green knight has joined with a blue armored knight shortly before the red knight. FE7 and 8 also had a third cavalier. Edit2: I'm not splitting it strictly by color. I'm also using weapon levels, which, at the very least, shows that Rody is not the third wheel here.

From what I've heard, Luke is generally considered the green knight. However, it seems to me that Rody is actually the green knight, while Luke is the third cavalier. First, look at the red/green knight appearances throughout the games: Abel has green hair and armor. Cain has red hair and armor. Alec has green hair and armor. Noish has blond hair and red armor. FE5's pair is a little hard to tell for color, but Kein has blond/brown hair and a green collar. Alva has blue hair and a red cloak. Lance has green hair and armor. Alan has red hair and armor. Sain has brown hair and green armor. Kent has orange hair and red armor. Kyle has green hair and armor. Forde has blond hair and red armor. Oscar has green hair and armor. Kieran has red hair and armor. And then we look at Luke, Cecil, and Rody. Luke has green hair and blue armor, Cecil has red/pink hair and red armor, and Rody has brown hair and green armor. Cecil's pretty obviously the red knight since she's the only one with any red at all. Luke vs. Rody? Well, five of the seven green knights have green hair, and four of the seven red knights have red (or close) hair. So 9/14 of them have hair that matches their archetype. However, every single one has armor (or clothing, in the case of FE5's) that matches. Luke's hair matches. Rody's armor matches. Seems like Rody fits better. And then there's weapon level. We'll start with FE5 because before then weapon levels were either class based (FE4) or all held in one stat (FE1,3) while FE5 starts with it being character based. Kein has a higher weapon level in lances. Alva has a higher weapon level in swords. Lance has a higher weapon level in lances. Alan has a higher weapon level in lances. Sain has a higher weapon level in lances. Kent has a higher weapon level in swords. Kyle has a higher weapon level in lances Forde has a higher weapon level in lances Oscar uses lances. Kieran uses axes. Abel has a higher weapon level in lances. Cain has a higher weapon level in swords. So, of the six sets of red/green knights here, four specialize in different weapons. In the two cases where that isn't true, their starting equipment seems to imply that they specialize in different weapon types. And in both of them, they both use lances over swords. And, in every single case, the green knight has used lances. Cecil and Luke specialize in swords, Rody in lances. Not only does one using swords and one using lances support Rody being the green knight, but the fact that he uses lances implies that he's the green knight. Even if you were to say that some of this evidence is invalid because Kaga may have intended Luke to be the green knight and everything past FE5 had nothing to do with him, there's still the visual evidence from 1-5, where, of the four sets of knights, Luke would the the only one with armor not corresponding to the archetype while Rody would be one of four knights where the hair didn't fit but the armor did. (Note: I put this here because the weapon levels and seeing so much of the armor in FE12 made me think of this. I wasn't sure if it should go here or in general FE, however, because it talks about units from every game but Gaiden and focuses on units in 3 and 12. Move if this is the wrong section.) Edit: tl;dr version: Rody's green armor fits the green archetype better than Lukes green hair, as does Rody's weapon level in FE12.