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I gave reasons for why all three of you were town yesterday. When I realized that was wrong, I was forced to evaluate which one of my townreads was most likely to be wrong, and change it. I've said this at least once already.

So you're arbitrarily choosing to define what matters and what doesn't, because I don't see why any of the interaction you mentioned do matter can't be handwaved away by similar meta logic. And yeah, I was wrong about Eury. Your point? Being wrong isn't scummy and nor does it invalidate that method of scumhunting in all other cases. And considering her response to me voting her was giving up and self-hammering instead of trying to actually help the town in any way, I really don't care. Of course it makes a huge difference. Timing is everything. I could have jailed Eury and prevented her from blocking a kill somewhere else. I could have jailed you, and if you're town, prevented you from seeing that Poly didn't kill anyone on N2. I could have jailed Baldrick and prevented him from seeing that the mafia must have used their Sneak to kill Euklyd, which would have resulted in Poly not being cleared.

Scorri, the last two paragraphs of that last post involve you giving reasons for why I'm scummy due to interactions with flipped scum and then disregarding the interaction that makes me look town from it, which is pretty scummy. You can't just pick and choose which interactions get counted and which don't. If you get to say "BBM bussing is nothing new", I can say that Kirsche defending townies isn't new either. Additionally, neither Objection nor Kirsche mention you in more than passing, and Shinori also only has a weak prod involving him "forgetting you were playing" and then nothing else after that on you, so yeah, pretty much anything in that vein you say applies to me can also apply to you. Also, investigation roles have no real harm to the town other than potentially causing false clears. Hooking roles can block important town actions, and the fact that it can block kills two ways actually makes it slightly worse in MYLO/LYLO conditions than either Hooker or Doctor, which can produce clears in situations with one scum left. Protecting someone also entails hooking them, and hooking someone you think is scum could also protect them from a vigshot (though I guess that's not relevant here). An excess of town hooking roles/jailkeepers is inherently more balanced than an excess of town investigation roles. And no, my case against you isn't rolespec, it's you being less likely to be town than Baldrick. It's called a PoE argument, and you similarly dismissed it yesterday when I voted Eury due to it yesterday, which I don't remember you ever doing in every other game I've applied it. And yeah, when I have townreads on all alive players, it forces me to evaluate which one of them is smallest and change it to a scumread.

Okay hmmm I think I might have it tonight anyways, because the time I had it at on N2 is inconvenient for Eclipse and she wants to speak to me about something, and I can communicate plans to the Europeans anyways.

One mafia down is good! The timing, however, was not. Europeans are asleep and my physio got moved to tomorrow, so the earliest I'll get back tomorrow is like 30 minutes before phase end, and there's no point to having the chat room then. So I'm probably going to open it up in around three hours (two hours and 46 minutes to be precise). Hopefully people can make that.

I don't really have an interest in no lynching because I don't think it'll have a point or lead to anything except the person nobody suspects anyways (Eclipse) dying. So I think the Mason should claim at this point, though I'm pretty sure who it is.

I'm... really not sure which of Baldrick and Scorri I find scummier. I was finding Scorri a bit townier yesterday, but now I think I'm leaning Scorri being scum because Baldrick's Voyeur claim really had no point as scum. It was adding another info role to the already high amount of info roles, and wasn't gaining any sort of towncred through bussing a teammate. All it did was clear a townie, and the one against whom it would have been easiest to lead a mislynch too. He's also led wagons against both flipped scum, whereas Scorri has no mention of the Objection/Kirsche slot at all, not even in passing, and no mention of the Shinori slot before the results on D3.

Rein, what does "gg self" even mean? Realizing that Bearclaw was the one who might have blocked the kill doesn't seem to have stopped you from still voting Grass. @Eclipse- If you're going to always pay more attention to in-thread actions than roles, I have to ask you what Paperblade asked you- why even have games with roles then? This ticks me off especially from you because I remember that after Folgore Rangers you were sort of annoyed that most of the town roles in the game couldn't have caught me, and that I had to be caught pretty much only through scumhunting. Yet here when we have people who're most likely town because of role, you're disregarding what roles can do and are only paying attention to scumhunting.

As I understand it, she causes things targeted against her to fail and then takes their items, if she also targets them. So she'd block the kill only if Rein tried to kill her.

Because role is just as important as actions. And you guys are just as privy to why we don't want to lynch Shinori. If you had a cop clear, would you lynch them just because there is a chance they could be Godfather? And yes, someone can lie about their role, but Shinori's is too provable to do that. If you guys REALLY WANT we could give him some shitty items and have him make an LPV and lynch him, but I think that'd be a waste.

Eury is making literally zero scumhunting effort atm. Her posts this day phase all involve defending herself, speculating about hypothetical scenarios which are never going to happen to spread paranoia, and at the very beginning, hinting about how Scorri being angry about Shinori modkilling himself was suspicious. She never went anywhere with that, and the worst part is that she talked about how it had no real harm for scum to do that. So why is it suspicious for Scorri to be mad about the modkill?

What?? How did Eury not being Mason mean she became confirmed town? She'd be confirmed town IF she was Mason. @Eury- Your defence makes no sense because Bizz wasn't really that suspicious of you. If she'd been gunning hard for you, then yes, her death would cast suspicion on you, because as scum you'd stand to profit most from her death. However, you attacking her doesn't cast suspicion on you if she flips town. Town don't know who's town and who isn't, so you being wrong about her alignment doesn't make you scummy. You keep arguing this as your defence even though it's completely irrelevant. And now you're trying to throw paranoia everywhere again with them "claiming something that nobody wants to lynch". Euklyd's role was only super obvtown in the context of this game. Also, SB confirmed to me that any changes to someone's role PM (eg getting Masoned) would be reflected in their role PM. Besides, Bizz recruited someone on N2, and she was only prevented from outing her target before she recruited them. I think that if Euklyd had been her buddy and Mason wasn't something that showed up, she would have claimed on D3. The person who got lynched/modkilled D3 was scum, so he couldn't be her buddy, and then she herself died on N3.

I hope people think I look like my avatar. It is the epitome of smug douche-y perfection.

I dislike how Rein's only reason for wanting to lynch Grass, his top lynch candidate, is the word of his his second-highest lynch candidate. If you think there's such a good chance of Bear being scum, why are you saying that him hooking Grass is the most likely explanation of the no-kill? Boron, if you were Governor and someone whom you were absolutely sure was town (other than yourself) was going to get lynched, would you use your role?

Also I don't get Poly's role at all. Can he expand? And what's his character? I don't understand why NNR would pick a role from a mafia game he never played in- unless he picked Kogasa and then Prims just gave him the exact role that character had in the original Touhou.

Boron, you're talking about how you're getting frustrated because we're not listening to you. Why aren't you understanding how frustrated we're getting because you're not listening to us? More than a quarter of the game's roles have some way to pass out items. The chances of at least one being scum are quite high. If Shinori was as well, he could create LPVs at least every other night, possibly quicker. You must realize how retardedly OP that is for an anti-town role to have. Your argument against this is just BUT HIS ACTIONS ARE SCUMMY. Bearclaw I can somewhat understand at least because it's more of a meta argument for why he's town. Also I'm busy and I keep getting distracted by shit.

I'm aware I don't have a lot directly on why I think Eury is scum. It's because I was townreading her slightly for a while, and tbh I don't have a real case on her. My vote is there more because I think she's the least townie person than because I think she's really all that suspicious on her own.

Boron's thing is why I'm not voting Grass. I still want him to claim though.

I changed my mind on Eclipse, and if you thought about it for a second, you'd realize why. And I have explained why I'm voting for Eury. I have several paragraphs on why I believe you and Baldrick are town, and after I understood the logic behind why Poly was town, Eury is the only person left.

Yeah I'm sorry I didn't read Shinori's role right? My logic being bad doesn't make me scum.

Oh blah I thought Shinori was a Ninja/Sneak. My bad. ehhhhhhhh ##Unvote, ##Vote: Eury I think Follower/Trackerx2/Voyeur is way too much but I am not seeing either Scorri or Baldrick as scum right now, especially the former. And I think Eury's paranoia is worse than Eclipse right now. Her defence doesn't make sense and I don't remember Euklyd ever confirming that he got hooked N1- he couldn't have acted N1 anyways since nobody had used their roles.

Unless Poly is scum Tracker and he targeted someone other than Shinori... not entirely unlikely since there's no flipped mafia investigation role- which is also why I'm obvtown. I have a proven roleblocking role and there's already a flipped mafia Driver to mess with the town roles. I admit I'm being all over the place but eh. I really think Poly is scum right now because Scorri and Baldrick are making moves that don't make sense for scum to make (narrowing down potential ML targets). Gonna ##Vote: Polydeuces

3 votes on him for lack of content and Poly chooses to instead respond to the role-related question in one line. Step it up man.

All Scorri knows is that Poly did indeed Track someone. We're taking Poly's word to confirm that it was Shinori he tracked. Also do you remember how Poly talked about how Poly was pushing Eury while in a 1v1 with Shinori? That being said, scum Tracker is not all that strong a role, especially when it's one-shot and everything else is too. I feel like Follower would be better for scum, as it's a weaker Rolecop. Ughhhh now I'm thinking that it might be Scorri again. But the reason I feel it's more likely to be Poly than her atm is because Shinori faked a report, knowing that in the best case scenario, he'd be lynched the next day. And before that fake report, there wasn't really a 1v1 between them, just a pseudo one on account of people thinking there were too many investigation roles. This seems odd to do if Scorri was then going to come out and claim an investigative role.

@Paperblade- Can you confirm if SB is doing his code right? Because I'm getting gibberish. >_> hmm Paper had a good point on D1 about NNR lurking and just posting in-thread several times about how he was busy in another mafia game. And Poly hasn't really improved my opinion of the slot- Rein/SB had a good point about him voting for someone he thought was town over nullreads for consolidation. So ##Vote: Polydeuces He has to be scum at some point!