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lolmoney in FE9. The game gives you like 10x more gold than you need for free. Seriously, the first time I played the game I thought there was some trick to it and I used barely enough of the money. Edit: Ninja'd.

I'm not saying that since Sophia gets you that one item, her utility is equal to thief utility. I'm saying that giving Sophia points for getting you the Guiding Ring uses the same logic as giving Thieves points for their utility. Obviously, the Guiding Ring is not worth anywhere near as much as Thief Utility; that's why I only gave her a 0.5/10. But you have Saul and Clarine, and possibly Lugh and Ellen that might want a Guiding Ring (these are only decent or at least usable characters, btw- I'm not counting if you really want to raise Lilina or Ray or something), and if you don't get this one, your second magical unit has to wait until Chapter 19/20 to promote. Letting a unit promote up to 6 chapters earlier is worth at least half a point. And saying she's worse than Wendy? They both have combat that is about as irredeemable as is possible. Minute differences like Sophia hits Res and Wendy has Triangle Attack don't matter. But getting that Guiding Ring is a hundred times more utility than Wendy will ever provide.

It would be kinda dickish to lynch Snike so early, but my vote on Paperblade wasn't based on inactivity. You can still seem like an inactive townie. Paperblade's last minute Marth bandwagoning seemed scummy to me. Sorry Snike, but I'm not going to remove my vote just because you entered the game only yesterday.

I think the Guiding Ring should count for her. What's the difference between Ashtol/Chad being able to get items elsewhere in the desert and Sophie being able to get that one item? Yes, keeping her alive in a FOW Desert Chapter where she gets OHKOd by everything is a PITA, but that Guiding Ring is the most contested promotion item in the game. Getting that is worth a 0.5/10 from me. She blows hard otherwise.

Shanan gets a 9.5/10 from me. He kills pretty much everything at 1-range and very rarely gets hit. And while FE4's AI is weird and will sometimes attack him at 1-range despite having 2-range (Mage sisters), it's still a point against him. Plus he gets a bit bothered by the Dark Mages in Chapter 10 and F.

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I can see why a mafia kidnapper might want to kidnap another mafia. It's just that the original reason you gave didn't make sense. Mafia has more vote control with an active mafia member.

So... Volke. He actually has a good Strength base and growth. Unfortunately, the Strength cap for Assassins is low- if you actually train him, he'll ram it hard. Additionally, knives are quite weak. He also only has 1 support, with Bastian. Even disregarding Bastian's fault, accuracy is not really what Volke wants, although the avoid is okay. So his combat is pretty sucky. However, combat is not why we bring Volke along. There are a lot of Physic staves that he can steal, and Physic is awesome, especially in a game with Canto. Unfortunately, Chest Keys are dropped rather frequently, so opening Chests is not too big a point. However, your other guys probably have better stuff to do, so it's still useful. And 100% items in the Desert chapter is nice. There are a lot of items in FE9's desert. He also makes a pacifist clear of Chapter 10 considerably easier, because breaking the doors is dumb and will probably make it harder to avoid the patrol. So overall I think Volke is worth a solid 6/10. Mainly for Physic.

You think Spike is one of the scummiest people, but you also think the mafia kidnapped him to have greater vote control? The two don't go together.

Well, this... changes things. Should we keep the vote on Snike, or let it go?

He couldn't have used his Refresh Ball already. He probably used his Djinn C0 on Prims to roleblock him. And even if he didn't, using the Refresh Ball that phase woulda been kinda dumb. And he got lynched C1. Even if he gets lynched next cycle again, it's a phase that town gives up for lynching a new mafia person. It basically gives the Mafia an extra phase to kill someone. And while we're focusing on you and Marth, we're probably not looking for someone else either. Of course, this is just conjecture. If the mafia tried to kill someone at night, but the Doctor protected them, would the Doctor or the person who got saved know? Because if they didn't receive the information that they were protected from being killed, Prims might still have been killed by a SK or something.

When I said that I couldn't see there being a harmless third-party, I wasn't saying this out of hard proof I had. I said it because the only third-party character I could see existing would be the Wise One, and he doesn't strike me as harmless, considering he creates the Doom Dragon and all. Also, guys, it's possible that Manix is a mafia reviver using this to prevent us from lynching him, since a couple people were talking last cycle about voting for Manix this one. If he is a mafia reviver, he can revive Marth today, and then we can't even lynch Manix next cycle, because Marth would probably protect him with his Refresh Ball thing. So we'd have to lynch Marth again next cycle, and then Manix the one after that. Of course, this is only reminding people of what might happen if Manix is a mafia reviver. I still think Paperblade seems scummier.

Speaking from a tactical standpoint, pot helmets are often used for better vision, as a visor ca be very restricting, at the cost of protection for your eyes. So maybe Donny will have really high Skill and really low Defense, or something.

Eh, didn't scroll that far down. Mia's is still low.

My mistake. A Rhys and B someone else now gives her 4 extra Might. Keep in mind that her "someone else" is Ilyana or Largo. They're not that great either. Now you're fielding TWO units who aren't good to make Mia better. And in this case, PEME. You said that Mia and Ilyana are great when they are given sufficient resources, but that people like Colonel M never do. I provided you an example where Mia received everything she might want (statboosters, forges, Wrath), other than supports, where she still sucked, because the only way she can contribute to ANY playthrough is combat, and her combat is bad. Plus, it is not personal experience to say that Swords are weak and her Strength is low. That is fact. Swords are the physical weapon with the lowest Mt and Mia is tied with a couple other people for lowest STR growth for a physical character.

I don't know if this is true or not, but in any case, I don't like arguments based on a person's playing style, because anyone experienced (as you are), could easily use it to misdirect attention. If there are third-party roles, I can't see it being a harmless one.

This is almost as good as Word-a-Day toilet paper!

Ok, Paperblade came on just before Proto announced that the cycle was over, so he was here at the time of the deadline. He makes a post denouncing Marth: At that point, Marth already had 9 votes, so adding this was pretty superfluous. It seems like this was a subtle way to seem on the Town's side just before Marth was lynched, so that it looks like he's on a different side from Marth. But he doesn't actually vote, so it doesn't look so much like he's just last-minute bandwagoning. So ##Vote Paperblade.

They already have 7 movement and total WTC. What more do they want?

Why is no one focusing on the part about the Guardians being Mafia? That was the part that I was asking about. And when I think of GS Adepts, I think of only the playable ones. I think of the other guys as villains before thinking of them as Adepts. So I saw my character as one of the playable Adepts, and thought Adepts referred to just the playable ones. Seriously, more than you guys hyping this up, the part I find screwed up is that the concerns that might actually be legitimate about me (I don't have opinions about people, my opinions are basically the same as other people's, etc.), mean less to you guys. I'll answer that too. Yeah, I don't have a lot of opinions on people. I'm mostly trying to get a feel of how everyone comes to conclusions, and instead of forming them myself, trying to spot any fallacies in someone's arguments. If it makes sense and I don't see anything wrong with it, I go along with what that person says. If it doesn't, I don't.

I don't play very fast. I gave Mia an Energy Drop, more than 1500 BEXP in total, throughout the game, a -Weight and +Might Forge for most of her existence, and Wrath. She was my worst unit. Swords were weak, and her STR was low. She needed a critical to kill anything not a Mage or Archer, even with an effective weapon. She couldn't ORKO half of the Paladins and Laguz with a double Vague Katti critical in the final chapter, as a 20/15 Swordmaster. This was on NM. I can't speak about Ilyana, but Mia is simply not a good unit. She doesn't have good combat abilities. I'll admit, she didn't have supports, but her only support that gives Might is Rhys. Now, I know you like Rhys, but even you can't honestly say his combat is decent. And if, like you say, your Paladins are so durable that Mordecai's meatshielding is unnecessary, then why is Rhys's healing necessary past early/midgame? So why is Rhys coming to lategame chapters? Just to give Mia +3 Mt?

Well, it's pretty fun to see Mia get attacked on EP, attack first, and OHKO them with a critical. As for Mordecai, haven't used him yet. Dunno. Smiting was useful for Astrid. I imagine on that chapter with Naesala as an enemy, the ability to Smite Jill would come in handy, because it would allow you to get Naesala off the field quicker, and therefore make it easier to not kill any Ravens.

I don't think that much about every single word I type. Sorry...?

Yes, my original thought was 8 playable adepts + Kraden were the Town, with Alex and the 4 antagonistic adepts being Mafia, with one guy left over I couldn't place. Yes, it makes too many Mafia, and I almost posted about it, but I chose not to because does it really matter? Like, are you seriously harping on me for that, of all things? Geez...

Miledy's HM bonuses are ridiculous. Seriously, why couldn't IS give them to Ray too. :( 17 STR/13 SPD + 50/45 growths are pretty good. Her base DEF is higher than Percival's. And she can instapromote too, although I don't really like doing that. Her CON is slightly lower than one might want, and she's got a weakness to Mages that's compounded by Aircalibur, but good combat and good defence + some flying utility warrants a 10/10 from me.