SullyMcGully
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130 is how many cows we have right now!
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21. Favorite FE boy?
22. Favorite FE girl?
23. Favorite FE chapter?
24. Favorite FE class?
25. Favorite FE stat?
26. Favorite FE world?
27. Favorite FE story?
28. Favorite FE gameplay?
29. Favorite FE OST?
30. Favorite FE archetype?
31-40. Same as above 10, but LEAST favorite?
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Feeling worthless? That's not good.
11. Of all the years of your life, which have you enjoyed the most?
12. What’s your favorite season?
13. What’s your favorite color?
14. What’s your favorite smell?
15. What’s your favorite cereal?
16. What is the most difficult job you have ever done?
17. What is the dirtiest/yuckiest job you have ever done?
18. What is the biggest regret you feel comfortable sharing with strangers over the internet?
19. What is the riskiest thing you've ever done?
20. What is the most risque thing you have ever done?
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I don't know. Without all of it's various innovations, Echoes wouldn't be very fun from a gameplay standpoint. At least compared to other FEs. I get what you're saying about the story, but... why can hand axes go through walls? It's just one of those things that falls into the gameplay category and doesn't really mess with the story for me.
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95 - the year all of my favorite CDs came out... on audiocassette.
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6. OK then, will you raise the limit of questions people may ask you at a time from 5 to infinity?
7. I take it you're into fanfiction. What's your favorite fictional world to write in?
8. What is your family like? How many siblings/parents/other close relatives?
9. How do you feel about your family?
10. How do you feel about yourself?
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Ahh, school is done!
Not really, it's just less terrible.
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Hiya! I’m going to push myself to become a more regular contributor here now that school is worrying me less.
1. Impressions of me?
2. I haven’t seen you around too much. Where on SF are your favorite places to hang out?
3. How were you introduced to FE?
4. How were you introduced to SF?
5. Will you be raising the limit?
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It's over?
Can I complain about my role now? The only person in the game it worked on was a ninja!
Also criticize my gameplay please, I need to get better at this.
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2 hours ago, Makaze said:
I have a post that I was working on overnight and I will post it now.
Sully post draft:
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I spent about ten minutes last night refreshing the page and yelling at Iris about death godfathers before she told me this wasn't a bastard game. GG Weapons, may you never play again.
About an hour has passed since phase end for me and I am calming down and going to actually consider a world where Sully's waffling and generally sheeping of the entire town is not a scum tell. I also actually read his late phase defenses. Towards the end of his defenses he reads way more genuine, like how despite me thinking that his constant P5 meta shit is scummy, his final appeal to it reads good tonally. I think I can understand where people are coming from saying he's just bad, and I don't see any reason not to engage him.
I am now reading P5 Mafia.
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I've read his ISO. I do not like his play there either, because he is jumpy and opportunistic in his cases and it is harder to follow his reasoning than if he had a clear logic. If there is any difference between P5 Mafia and now, it's that he has some buffers between his cases, and always questions the people he is voting.
I don't think I can criticize him on his style of vote swapping as alignment indicative. However, I think that his reads in this game were not based on pushes to gain information like in P5, because they did not come with questions. Simply put, he followed the town here, and in P5, he was doing his own thing, within reason.
Some points against him on meta are that he also talked more to his scum suspects directly, and I definitely did not see the kind of room reading and waters testing behavior he has had this game in P5 mafia. In this game he has not expressed anywhere near the same level of personal thoughts on players. In particular, he has soft shaded many people but has not followed up on a lot of the things he said he would. In P5 Mafia he actually did address many people multiple times and seemed to be working multiple cases at once. Compared to P5 Sully seems to be one track minded in this game and only passingly comments on the flow of the game instead of showing the flow of his own mind.
I think there is a world where he intentionally decided to sheep this time instead of push every thought he has because of bad reads in P5, but his play in P5 was townier for the same reason: it was obvious he was actually trying to come up with ideas and bring out new information that the town didn't already have.
Compared to then, he has barely questioned anyone this game. That's the definitive difference I've seen because while most of the other elements are in this game, he hasn't explicitly tried to get information from anyone. He has seemed content to get a read of how others will take his push, assess the game state, and sheep consensus, and oddly, the only things he disagrees with in that consensus are scumreads on confirmed scum. In a world where he is town, this meta change and the sheer ridiculousness of the cases seems bad.
JB is one contradiction to this argument, but he did defend JB at one point and then went back on it. Instead of just defending him like he did Junko and Shinori, he sheeped both the initial vote on JB and the unvote with some form of "I agree with what someone else said against them/in their favor". This is not alignment indicative and reads the most genuine of their flipped scum interactions, but the completely lack of personal thoughts still doesn't help matters. Questions on this later.
There are definitive differences in his play between these games, and I think the changes are scummy with regard to: how much he interacts with people he is casing; how many questions he asks to confirm his suspicions; how much independent reading he follows up on compared to what he says he needs to; and how accurate his reads have been in general. As generating new content for town goes, he has not contributed at all compared to P5.
Back to the topic at hand: I think that his defenses at the end of the day read genuine, even if his logic on Arc is ridiculous, and I cannot see a world where this makes sense as any alignment, so the tone is really all I have to go on. I initially took it for granted that they would be terrible because he self-voted and went into AtE land, but actually reading them, he is seriously trying to convince me and the way he is insisting doesn't seem faked.
Makaze, I think I can see where you're coming from here. In P5, I was constantly under FoS and had to fight hard to be townread. I forced everything I did to be as townie as possible. In this game, I entered as a townread and admittedly, got lazy. I felt more comfortable making sheepy votes or using half-thought-out reasoning. The only time I actually put real effort in was making the Kirsche case. That was because I genuinely thought Kirsche was the scum in the 1v1 situation and that Junko was about to be mislynched. This game, I've felt comfortable doing scummy things because I didn't think I was at risk of being scumread. In a way, it's only right that I'm getting scumread like this.
I cannot begin to express how mad I am about the Weapons slot.
I am willing to give him a chance to answer my concerns and show his mind.
@SullyMcGully What I'd like is for you to explain your progression in the quotes below. I will be specific about what bothers me and I want you to explain why you voted that way and why you unvoted later, to make it make sense.
What were your personal thoughts on JB at this time? What made you want to sheep this read instead of another one?
I honestly don't remember. All I can recall is that at the time there was solid evidence against JB and I had nothing to show for a Kirsche case.
What did you think of Shinori when you wrote this? What were your suspicions with Kirsche's intentions/associations?
Shinori was a prominent townread at the time, and I didn't feel like challenging that. It's worth noting I'm always wary of scumreading Shinori, I got a ton of flak for tonereading him in P5 (even though he was scum!) Compared to that game and Antiheroes, I thought Shinori was keeping remarkably cool in this game and I thought that was more of a town Shinori thing.
Noting you towncleared Kirsche here. You also claimed to have been scumreading Shinori the whole time, along with BBM. At what point did you start to suspect Shinori, and how did it fit in with your Kirsche read? Citing the post where it changed is a plus.
I began suspecting Shinori the moment Junko flipped scum. No sooner, no later. The reason was that while Omega had first proposed the 1v1 when he first entered, it wasn't until Kirsche became a viable lynch along with Junko that Shinori (and BBM also) decided to come down against it. It seemed like Shinori and BBM could both be scum who had settled for a Junko lynch, but then seen a chance to postpone it when the Kirsche wagon popped up. They could avoid casing Kirsche himself and looking scummy after his flip, but make it so that town wouldn't immediately lynch Junko after Kirsche flipped. That's the way I saw it at the time, I might have been right about Shinori but I was definitely wrong about BBM.
What were you thinking when you made this vote? How does it relate to eclipse?
JB was kinda the best option. Something I struggled with a lot in P5 was having unique reasoning for all of my votes. Since I was being townread at the time, I felt comfortable with more boldfaced sheeping of popular wagons. It's unrelated to clearing Eclipse as town, that was tied to the Shinori flip.
What scenario are you imagining happening here? Walk me through your reasoning behind this question/argument.
As I said earlier, I suspected BBM for the same reasons as I suspected Shinori.
Note: I think this spec rules out any world where Sully is an SK, just by sheer thought process.
I also have a second post where I did rereads and I will post that after Sully responds.
OK, so here's how I'm seeing Makaze right now. I'd say he's about 90% town, with a 10% chance he's a really, really good scumplayer. My debacle yesterday was supposed to call Makaze's judgement into question, he read me as obvscum, I felt like all of town agreed with him, and I thought that as long as I existed, I would be an easy lynch for scum so might as well go ahead of Arc anyway. If I had died first, than whoever was planned on profiting from bussing Arc (I was convinced Arc was scummy based on his content, NOT HIS TONE) would have to deal with the suspicion of having mislynched me instead. Alternatively, the self-vote scandal seems to have backfired. I successfully brought towncred back to my slot somehow.
In a hypothetical 10% universe where Makaze is scum, the fact that a lot of obvtown players (Via, Refa, Alette, and Arc I guess) swept my way at EoD3 and my wacky defense strategy scared him off of mislynching me today because it would draw to much attention to him. If I were to be mislynched today, it would be two mislynches in a row primarily led by Makaze. Maybe without my accusations targeted at that slot, Scumkaze would feel confident enough to support that. This is all wild conjecture though, Makaze is probably town. I trust my sub will provide you with actual reads.
Thank you Iris for graciously allowing me to reply to this. I'm not subbing out because of in-game circumstances, I'm subbing out because my best friends are holding an intervention to get me to stop stressing out about stuff and this is one of the things that's been stressing me. I promise I'll stop reading after this. Good luck Beru, and good luck town. May my slot distract you from the pursuit of scum no longer.
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4 minutes ago, Arcanite said:
I'd be less pissed if Makaze didn't think he was all that and a bag of chips for """"""""""""""""solving the game""""""""""""""""
Amen to that. I'm not dead (technically) but I feel like Makaze killed me. -
I'm afraid of this thread now...
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I've gotta go now. I'm leaving my vote where it is. I thought Snike's jump on me a few pages ago seemed fishy, but I've wasted all of my time defending myself instead.
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1 minute ago, Makaze said:
That's not the question I asked. Assuming you got that role as Mafia, how would you use it? How would it be different from what you did in this scenario?
I would use it on either Eclipse or Omega. Eclipse for reasons stated before, Omega just to test his role and see if it was faked.
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