SullyMcGully
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1 minute ago, Refa said:
Oh, the mods didn't let me OC on Discord. It's only SF PM (when Quicktopic was down) and Quicktopic.
Weird. In Antiheroes, I was on a scumteam with the mods and they insisted on taking the conversation to Discord! IriSB smh...
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Just now, Snike said:
Uh...
Yeah ok that's bad. But do you think bad enough to lunch today? Like I'm guessing you think it's susp but the counterbalance is that both makaze and I'd argue weapons look worse rn imo.
@SullyMcGully Is the comms why you're voting him? what about your thoughts on mack sully? Have they changed?
Re:Makaze char: The plot thickens.
Refa is right, I was just talking with Walrein on Discord about my favorite subject. If he can't post here, he should at least be able to post there.
Yeah, ATM I'm sheeping some of the new logic on Mack. Snike's logic makes a good amount of sense. My own rereading hasn't turned up anything, though.
I'd like to hear Mack respond to some of the cases on him if and when he comes on tonight.
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##Vote: Walrein
@WalreinTalk to Refa.
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Are people seriously thinking Arc is the SK? That means Arc shot Shinori. Why would he do that?
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1 minute ago, Killthestory said:
i think he's a wolf
OK, man, just because you subbed into an obvtown spot doesn't mean you don't have to post substantial reads. I mean, I don't post the best reads either, but I at least try to make it look like I have a reason for it. Here, try something like this:
3 minutes ago, Killthestory said:i think he's a wolf, i'm really busy atm tho so i'll give you all my logic later.
That's more like it!
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Just now, Killthestory said:
haha it's fine. your comment is right either way, and i do appreciate you telling me where to start. don't worry about it.
do u mind shooting me a d1 catchup tho?
I'm probably the worst person to ask. I only subbed in D2. I gave D1 a very minimal read. I'd say... Via, Refa, or maybe Athena would be the best to catch you up there.
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1 minute ago, Killthestory said:
ripe for mislynch :[[[
also thank you for the advice. i'll start there
Oh, sorry! I was referring to Mack. Kirsche was just a footnote, pretty much.
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1 minute ago, Refa said:
Makaze's actions are null but I think his switch off of Eclipse was natural and I'm tonereading him as town.
Eclipse was just me being dumb.
Can you explain the fixation on Mackc2?
Also mreh, I don't see LG making that comment about never playing NOC again as scum; he's been mislynched the past few NOC games he's played for reference, which is where I assume the frustration is coming from. Still want him to reply to the cases on him, but gonna take a step back from the game for a while so I can get my thoughts sorted out.
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Mack's actual play has been scummy, IMO. Where things get cloudy is associative reads and his roleclaim. The general consensus seems to be that his role probably wouldn't come from scum (can't contribute there, IDK meta). Associative reads are kinda messy. A few scum players (IIRC, need to reread) cast shade on his slot but backed off. The same could be said for town like Kirsche though. However, with the fact that his slot as town seems (or at least has seemed in the past) ripe for mislynch, I'd be surprised if scum never made a move to do so. Unless, of course, he is scum.
So what I'm looking for is any case of confirmed scum trying to create a Mack wagon. If they did, simple case of scum going for an easy target. If they didn't, probably trying to avoid drawing attention to a scumbuddy who might be less capable of defending themselves.
TBH I don't think I'd actually support a Mack lynch at this point. But I feel like he's been ignoring my suspicions and the suspicions of others. His play this game feels different compared to P5, where he had more reads and bigger, more consistent posts. That's why my vote is on him. I want him to actually answer to these charges. He hasn't even provided an excuse like "I'm busy IRL", so I'm not seeing why he's playing such a meek game.
@Killthestory If you networked Walrein, then he should be in out-of-thread communication with whoever Athena networked. I don't know if Athena claimed that yet, though. Also if you want to know where to start, I advise reading the last 5 pages of D2. That seems to be where everybody is drawing most of their material from.
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*lynch. Not blitz. Too much EiMM.
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I would rather have an LG blitz than the Makaze/Eclipse thing everybody seems to be all about. Still thinking over Mack, though.
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4 minutes ago, Killthestory said:
that sully post looked really wolfy as first, but scum making such a blatantly garbage post makes me reconsider. the guy seemed to genuinely want to get more out of the slot, and bemoaning a wolf shot is fucking hilarious.
makazes recent post is wolfy. gonna iso, in the meantime /vote omega ??? idk how to vote so ill use bold. pocket denied, yolo.
This is what I deserve for tunneling a tunneler for tunneling.
The way it goes is ##Vote: Omega.
But why the heck? Omega's obvtown. At least that's what I think. Is this a joke?
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##Vote: Mackc2
Need to look into this more.
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Alette, just... why?
I was going to make a post on JB explaining why I thought he was scummy so I would at least appear to be contributing something.
What am I supposed to do now?
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##Vote: Mackc2
My case from D2 still stands mostly uncontested. When I get time, I'll look at associative reads and role stuff which will probably prove me wrong. But I think Mack has been acting different in comparison to his meta, and it's not an improvement. I don't think he's been scum before. Some of his posting early in this day phase feels like he's asking questions to get better townread more, but they aren't really the brightest questions IMO.
I need to go to work again.
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OK, we got a field trip today so i won't be here for a while.
Kirsche subbed out? Dang. I really wanted to talk to him about some things.
Hey you guys all realize that without Eclipse's mayor vote that just sat on Junk all of late D2 we would have lynched Kirsche yesterday instead of Junk, right?
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Wow... those are pretty huge answers...
I'm going to love this interview.
1. First/current impressions of me?
2. First FE game?
3. How were you introduced to SF?
4. What do you like about SF?
5. Will you be raising the question limit?
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1 hour ago, Refa said:
needed to get a lynch
i'd love to say it's because i had a change of heart regarding kirsche but it really was just for consolidation
Refa, didn't you just tell me that you were scumreading Makaze because he didn't have a real reason to switch to Junko?
I'm not trying to protect him or defame you, but I just want to know if I missed something. Some of your statements feel like contradictions but that's probably just because I'm missing something.
37 minutes ago, Refa said:IMO Sully should use his action on Weapons ( @SullyMcGully First ask the mods how announcer would interact w/your role) because I don't see there being a scum role that's just announcer.
I asked them yesterday, but kept forgetting to tell you all about it. Announcer is an active role, it would roleblock my power.
So wait, there's no quicktopic this phase? Is the one between Mack and Fable still open?
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OK, I've got a headache. I'll be back in a bit. Refa seems OK I guess, but I need to clear my head a little. It's tough coming into the day with good scumreads when all of your good scumreads died.
I'm pretty sure JB is scum, I'm interested in hearing more from him later though.
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I'm townreading Makaze ATM, he treated the Kirsche case a little better than others were. He asked questions before jumping on, prodded other people on the wagon for their reasoning, and hopped on with a fairly believable reason themselves (the whole "that's a definite scumtell" thing). I also don't feel like Makaze would say something likme that if he knew Kirsche wasn't scum, but that could just be his style. I've only ever played EiMM with Makaze, but he's famously concise there.
But seriously @Refa: How can you be scumreading Makaze if he literally did the same thing you say makes you obvtown, just seconds later?
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Could an SK have Janitor powers?
Because I was kinda scumreading BBM on an equal level with Shinori last night.
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##Vote: JB
Since Eclipse was apparently town. More logic coming later, but I have something else to take care of now.
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Refa, you sheeped my Kirsche case very hard without adding any logic of your own. I didn't think my Kirsche case was very strong and I'm pretty sure I said as much when I made it. I wanted people to build onto it with their own (presumably) superior logic. I saw a lot of players who did that, but when you were asked to clarify why you thought Kirsche was town, you literally just copy-pasted from my post.
Yeah, the voteswitch seems strange. I need to think it over more, but I don't like Refa's late D2 content up to that.
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I targeted Eclipse/Baldrick with my action, she didn't do anything last night.
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OK, so here's my overnight write-up. It won't take any night actions into account.
Wow, that lynch! I'm glad it worked out in the end. So that means a lot of things. I've got a few reads based off of it. First off, townreads:
Kirsche: I think this one is pretty obvious. I strongly doubt scum would enter the game tunneling their buddy and continue tunneling them all the way until they got lynched. Sorry for doubting you, Kirsche. I could've sworn you were the scummier out of you and Junko, but it seems I was just paranoid.
Omega: I also strongly doubt scum would sub into the game and immediately set about bussing their buddy. Now, while Junko wasn't really contributing much when Omega entered, he was due to be replaced by RAD, and as we've seen, sub-ins have a way of changing the opinion on a slot. The way Omega pushed for a Junko or Kirsche lynch seemed almost too confident at times, but since it paid off with a successful lynch, I'm inclined to believe he's cool.
Scum reads, and WOW I wasn't expecting flips until way later but that makes things easier!
Shinori: Yeah, wasn't really surprised by that. I thought the way he and BBM waited to begin discrediting Omega's 1v1 push until after Kirsche became a viable lynch was scummy.
BBM: Don't know what to make of that. My problems with him were the same as with Shinori, I thought they could be buddies but I guess they probably weren't?
Eclipse: I was thinking that today we would potentially lynch either this slot or between BBM/Shinori, because my guess was that one of them was scum and the other probably wasn't. I guess Shinori was scum, so Eclipse (now Baldrick) probably isn't.)
Refa I have a whole post coming on.
Mackc2 you also.
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TBH, there is one thing that kinda rubs me the wrong way about Kirsche: He subbed out after a lynch which would have had him being generally townread. If he was demotivated because he was being scumread or ignored by Junko, then that should all be at an end now. Instead, he left. TBH, I would rather have unmotivated Kirsche now than Kill. He's... a character... I don't like his play so far and if it weren't for all of the reasons to townread Kirsche's slot, I would scumread Kill. He's the most anti-town we've gotten since Zeus left.
Not liking Mack in the Mack/Snike interactions. Mack drops a weak post, Snike responds with a detailed read... I'd say, with all the shade Snike has been casting on Mack's slot throughout the game, if we lynch Mack and he flips scum, then we get Snike cleared. I can't be of much use with all of this role madness going on.
OK, I'm going to confess something. If it looks like my reads are getting lazy/weak, it's because they probably are. While I would love to devote more time to this game over the next few days, due to IRL circumstances, I can't. I should still be able to check in and keep this slot from being the victim of yet another sub, but I'm going to be less informed and probably less helpful from here on out.
Yeah, my vote's on Walrein because he's being scummy and ignoring us. Um... I'm checking out for the night, so I guess that's not a good reason.
##Vote: Mackc2
I have yet to hear a compelling reason for the change in your playstyle, Duke. If you continue to low-effort this game and ignore the arguments on you, I really won't mind lynching you.
Arcanite, LG, and Walrein are also OK lynches with me. Somebody should ping @Arcanite though so they can show some effort before we lynch them.