The Spanish Inquisition

I propose that instead of allowing (but frowning upon) widespread RNG abuse, we limit it somewhere between 5-10%.What this means is if something has a chance of 5-10% (or greater) of happening, and you can prove it, RNG abuse is ok. If you don't want to do the calculations to prove the %s, you don't get to abuse. I vote for said limit being held at 10%. I will restart my playthrough of the FE 8 Promo Draft using this guideline (I don't think it affects any of my other playthroughs).

Bullshit. You need the enemy to not hit twice. First three enemy hit chances are 40%=30% true hit (this assumes no critical, if critical [14%], chance of another critical is also 14%, making total chance of both crits occurring ~2%, so we'll ignore that case). The fourth hit chance is 25%=12.75% true hit, (from surviving non-boss enemy of turn 1). Then the chances of the enemy hitting no times or only once is .2786875+3*.1194375+.0437325=~.68%. Multiplying that with the chance of a critical, we get a chance of a 2 turn win being a little under 10%. More later.

Where? I've looked through Drafting Tournaments Explained (Granted, just the OPs, I'm not digging through 93 pages for where it was prohibited) and could not find such a rule. If such a rule exists, and I am just not aware of it, I will gladly take note of it. Oh, and we all know that this thread was caused by my post in DTE, so I might as well try to clarify the point. What annoys me is that certain people are fine with (in FE8) rigging a 2 turn prologue win, but not fine with a similar situation later on. Granted, the situation I encountered was the result of me trying a particular chapter about five different ways (with over 100 smaller variations on each of those ways) to get the result that I needed a 1% crit to get the 4 turn win I was looking for.

Here's a toughie: In the FE 8 Person Promo Draft, I'm forced to try for a 1% crit with Franz to clear a chapter much more quickly than I normally do. I've been RNG abusing with no luck for about half an hour. 1. Is there a way for me to force the crit in a faster way? (just using VBA right now, open to suggestions for other programs) As it turns out, there's a script that lets you see the RNs, which can be found in here Happy dance once it started working! 2. Is it kosher to do so? Debatable, I'm going for it, since I'm determined to LTC this particular draft.

Thanks for confirming, Integ. Progress! Chap 7 14/84 Jagen re-equipped the fire. Xestu the Dark Mage and Dexa the Healer brought to chump. Julian went shopping for steel bows, might as well stock up now... Ban-Ban ignored. Sedgar got a new bow this time around. All but Catria of the flyers died. Lena and Nabarl, why are you so good? Lena and Nabarl both at C rank. Would have taken 13 turns if my team didn't keep whiffing Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 9.91 24 9 0 6 13 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 5.99 23 3 4 9 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 12.55 29 13 0 12 11 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 10.63 24 11 0 7 9 13 11 0 Lena Archer 11.47 25 7 1 13 13 13 8 0 Matthis Archer 9.60 25 8 0 6 7 2 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 4.29 32 10 0 5 10 4 8 0 Chap 8 11/95 Last Chapter with Jagen equipped for a while. Radd shopped for the rapier. Forged one of the steel bows. Also finally forced to sell shit. Hepto the Dark Mage, Hendexa the Mage, and Caesar chumped. Played this one a bit close, but managed to survive, thanks to Lena's high avoid. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 11.50 25 10 0 7 14 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 6.44 23 3 5 10 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 13.59 29 13 0 12 12 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 11.59 24 11 0 7 10 13 11 0 Lena Archer 12.83 26 8 2 13 13 14 8 0 Matthis Archer 10.54 26 8 0 6 8 3 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 5.10 34 11 0 6 11 4 9 0 Radd Myrmidon base stats Chap 9 7/102 Jagen unequipped for a while. Radd reclassed to Archer via Da Rules. Lena temporarily reclassed to Mage. Radd received a forged bow. Octu the Dark Mage, Wymp the Curate, and Owend the Cleric brought along as meatshields. Marth ORKO'd the Manakete thanks to Killing Edge, and the Chapter was quick. New Stat Wpn is just the weapon level for the unit (bow level for all but Marth) Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wpn Marth Lord 12.67 26 10 0 8 14 14 10 0 C Jagen Sage 6.44 23 3 5 10 6 4 4 6 - Ogma Hunter 13.59 29 13 0 12 12 6 5 0 C Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 12.00 25 12 0 8 11 13 11 0 C Lena Mage 12.83 26 3 5 11 12 14 4 3 - Matthis Archer 10.78 26 8 0 6 8 3 7 0 C Sedgar Warrior 5.51 34 11 0 6 11 4 9 0 C Radd Archer 2.37 18 7 0 2 3 2 8 0 E Chap 10 23/124 (fuck this chapter without healing) Suddenly, a new archer slot appeared! Lena inserted. Matthis given Goddess Icon. Two meatshields brought. Steel Bow forged. Eventually decided I had to turtle inside the fortress, which involved recruiting Maria and Minerva to meatshield. Ogma promoted as soon as he could. Around turn 18 I finally managed to break free. Then I could grab vulneraries, and kill off the boss. Barely got through. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Wpn Marth Lord 14.85 28 11 0 9 15 16 10 0 B Jagen Sage 6.44 23 3 5 10 6 4 4 6 - Ogma Horseman 1.69 32 13 0 15 15 6 8 3 C Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 14.29 27 12 0 9 11 14 11 0 C Lena Archer 13.70 26 8 2 14 13 15 8 0 - Matthis Archer 12.15 28 9 0 6 8 5* 7 0 C Sedgar Warrior 6.17 36 12 0 7 12 4 10 0 C Radd Archer 5.17 20 8 0 3 5 4 10 0 E

Why does FE1DS Sync Patch take you to FETO's Last Stand instead? Edit: under name, haven't tested the download.

Sorry for double posting, but editting screws up the formatting for me, and I want this up in case my interpretation of the gaiden rule is incorrect. Chap 6x 20/70 (I blame SB if this is wrong, and have a JIC savestate to make this 19 instead) Jagen unequipped the tome. No meatshields. Angelic Robe given to Lena, for obvious reasons. Sedgar reached D rank. Lena had a useless level, while Nabarl had another awesome level. Boss abused for 9 turns. Matthis gained both Speed and Strength! :O Athena vuz ignored. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 8.74 23 9 0 5 13 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 5.22 23 3 4 9 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 11.81 28 13 0 11 10 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 9.28 24 11 0 6 8 12 10 0 Lena Archer 9.75 24* 6 1 11 11 11 8 0 Matthis Archer 8.79 24 7 0 6 6 2 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 3.19 30 9 0 4 9 3 7 0

Chap 1 13/13 Marth and Jagen solo, with a bunch of meatshields. The thief managed to keep Wrys away, and not a single fuck was given. Gazzak was a bit annoying, but Jagen beat him over the head 3 times for the kill. Also, all characters except Marth, Jagen, and Shiida died due to meatshielding. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 3.60 19 7 0 3 9 8 7 0 Jagen Paladin 2.73 23 7 1 11 9 2 9 6 Chap 2 11/24 Ogma get. Maneuvering so Darros doesn't accidentally enter combat is tricky. Killed off Castor, and barely managed to secure the village. Allowed everyone undrafted except Shiida to die. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 4.94 20 8 0 3 10 9 7 0 Jagen Paladin 3.73 23 7 1 11 9 3 9 6 Ogma Mercenary 6.09 24 7 0 13 13 3 6 0 Chap 3 7/31 Julian, Lena, and Nabarl get. Julian bravely dodged a hit so Nabarl could get away. Ogma critted Hyman to end this chapter early. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 5.27 21 8 0 3 11 10 8 0 Jagen Paladin 4.07 23 7 1 11 9 4 9 6 Ogma Mercenary 7.71 25 8 0 14 13 4 7 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Myrmidon 4.20 20 6 0 10 11 8 6 0 Lena Cleric 3.00 16 0 2 7 8 8 3 7 Chap 4 15/46 As per Da Rules, Nabarl, Jagen, Lena, and Ogma reclassed to archer class so they can equip. Unil, Dua, Quatro, and Penvo were those able to reclass to dark mages/mages/clerics. Got Bows for the team, and Nabarl got a special bow because his base skill and speed suck. Decided to go for slow kill once I hit the boss, since the team barely survived this chapter. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 6.38 22 8 0 3 12 11 9 0 Jagen Sniper 4.86 23 7 1 14 11 4 8 3 Ogma Hunter 8.88 27 11 0 10 9 5 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 6.78 21 9 0 4 6 9 9 0 Lena Archer 5.59 16 5 1 10 10 10 8 0 Matthis Cavalier base stats Chap 5 10/56 Reclassed Jagen to Sage for until I get another archer slot (Chapter 11? ewwww) Matthis received a forged bow. I get Sedgar, and he can do stuff! Trim reclassed to dark mage and meatshielded. Windex ignored, and Wolf and Vyland died. Matthis is terrible. Somehow Roshea dodged the blow that should have killed him. :/ Most importantly, Nabarl had a spectacular level, and he, Lena, and Ogma reached D bows. Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 7.81 22 9 0 4 12 12 10 0 Jagen Sage 4.86 23 3 4 8 6 4 4 5 Ogma Hunter 9.62 28 12 0 10 9 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 7.55 22 10 0 5 7 10 9 0 Lena Archer 6.22 17 5 1 10 10 10 8 0 Matthis Archer 4.30 20 6 0 4 4 0 7 0 Sedgar Horseman 1.37 20 6 1 6 7 2 6 2 Chap 6 14/70 Sedgar reclassed to Warrior for growths, Gordin's old steel bow was forged. Jagen equipped a Fire tome. Hardin and Roshea meatshielded. Rickard ignored. Roshea continue to dodge 3 more hits that should have killed him, until the fourth finally did him in. Stretched really thin, everyone chumped that could, and still barely managed to survive. Lena gained strength, and Matthis gained speed and D rank! Nabarl and Ogma are awesome. Sedgar is slowly getting there. And Lena>Matthis Name Class Level HP Str Mag Skl Spd Lck Def Res Marth Lord 8.39 23 9 0 5 13 13 10 0 Jagen Sage 5.22 23 3 4 9 6 4 4 6 Ogma Hunter 10.88 28 13 0 11 9 6 5 0 Julian Thief base stats Nabarl Archer 8.51 22 11 0 6 7 11 9 0 Lena Archer 8.37 17 6 1 11 11 11 8 0 Matthis Archer 6.30 22 6 0 5 5 1 7 0 Sedgar Warrior 2.07 28 8 0 3 8 3 6 0

List of errors/comments: Possible crit error? (somehow critted 4 times in Chap 1, but most likely luck) Shon's armor looks too restrictive for his neck, IMO. Chapter Goal of Chap 1 is labeled Seize Throne, yet is defeat enemies... Gordon's text bubble from wrong side at end of Chap 1. Beginning of Chap 3 Siegfried mentions only 3 people on your team, despite having recruited Tamiko. Also, convo at the end of Chap 2 with Kelik could have been interpreted that he was joining your team (make it clearer maybe?). Shuuda seems really OP for Chap 3, maybe nerf him/her a little (also gender id is hard)? IMO, (s)he shouldn't be doubling enemy mercs one level below him/her. I love the improved exp gains for clerics. Maybe it's just me, but 3 javelins+Rapier makes the boss way too easy to kill. Maybe a little buff on Jarod's stats would be nice? Chap 3's goal is defeat enemy, yet you have to seize the castle. "Father, one of the prisoners wish to speak with you." "You're the guy? Who might you be?" Ewwww.... Maybe "Father, one of the prisoners wishes to speak with you." "Hmm? Bring him here"(to Shon)(Shon retrieves Galagar) "Who might you be?"(to Galagar) Kevin takes no damage from anyone but the boss in Chap 4? Really? And can double things? He needs nerfing. I'm really amused by all the houses with annoyed people. Reminds me of Morrowind... At least I wasn't forced to kill off the ballista dude. I can understand short bow having 1-2 range, but a crit bonus as well? maybe remove the bonus? "There's never not enough death"->"Death without just cause is foolish" maybe? Double negatives grind my gears. Haas's left eye seems rather off as compared to his right eye. A monk... named Arthur... I get the feeling his hair should be curly and orange... Wait, why are the Hasan holed up in a castle? Aren't Sacaens supposed to be nomadic? I get that we need a unit to deal with all the mages, but Arthur beating mages is silly. Maybe make him a shaman? Speaking of which, why are there no dark magic users on the list of recruitable characters? I know there is some antagonism against dark magic, but I've always been fond of shamans. I know this is your hack, your rules, but why not include a shaman? Especially right at this point in the game, where it makes sense... I like that we can no longer stand on pillars, feels logical. Marquess Caelin is also called Siegfried, unless I misread text? O_O Does Storm really need so many awesome weapons? How is a door key supposed to make me feel better? (house) Thieves have a crit bonus? Cool. Neither village closes after you visit them. Why doesn't Althares just pick his way into the houses? And his sprite needs to be less Colm-clone-like if I want to remember his name. Also this chapter randomly says, "HI, MEET KILLER WEAPONS!!!!" Difficulty ramping needs work. Prologue-Chap 4 were easy, Chap 5 was decent, and Chap 6 suddenly became rather difficult. (maybe I should have healed before charging into the castle, but still!) Stopping here because I need to do less fun things. Hope this helps with the hack.

So I've downloaded the latest version of the patch, and I know how to ups stuff. The patch contains two ups files. What are the differences between the two? (I assume the DS Version requires something like DeSmuME for it to work Apparently it doesn't work with DeSmuME...) I guess I'll answer this myself. The differences appear to be battle backgrounds, nothing more. (DS Backgrounds are fugly, IMHO) And Blazer answers a moment too soon, lol.

Wait, you take hopscotch seriously?

I don't know about your terrible stat gains, but my Jude was able to withstand any crit by any brigand (except maybe the steel axe guy, but that guy's hit % is terrible). Perhaps if you tried to let Jude gain levels in the prologue... You're also not factoring in hit %, which makes it more like .8%.

Oh, I see. I'm far too used to letting my lord take a few hits the first chapter. I will try again...

Considering my first few attempts of this without meatshielding failed around turn 3 or 4 (I've got a frickin' Marth and Jagen solo!) of Chapter 1, please let us meatshield. Then again, the way the rule is written, we are allowed to meatshield Chapter 1 (since all the units in Chapter 1 are in their joining chapter :P). Which then, strictly speaking, means we can use undrafted units for anything in their joining chapter?

So what I've seen in actually trying the hack: 1st Chapter's Fog of War: Why? Frustrated the hell out of me since the goal is listed as defeat all enemies, but you win by seizing the throne. I ran out of vulneraries before I reached the boss in the 1st chapter (even with terrain usage), so either the enemies need to be toned down, or a healer is needed by this point. (the boss was still beatable thanks to ranged attack/rescue shenanigans, but still a pain since the boss had the vulnerary) Also, I'm really annoyed that the enemy had poison weapons when I have no restore staff or antidotes/ ways of curing the poison. How do you throw a wyvern in a dungeon? You should probably give a little more detail on the lord's background, so players won't be pissed off when only 2 of their 6 units from the prologue are available for the rest of the game. This also goes for the prologue's goal. If the player knows the lord and the boss were friendly before the chapter began, players wouldn't be as likely to accidentally cause game overs. Now, as for the argument raging above. The issue is that everyone who assumes the hack is a bad idea is assuming that a crit=a unit's death. Felover3 has taken steps to ensure that this does not happen. (Enemies with higher crit% had low str, those with higher str had low skill, meaning less hit and crit) Your units in chapter 1 start off with enough health and defense to survive a crit, and chapter 1's chokepoints allow your units to only be attacked once, maybe twice per round. The main reason I ever had to restart was I ran out of vulneraries. In summary, the enemy can crit, but Felover3 has ensured that lethal crits are very unlikely (use your vulneraries, and you'll survive). Also, I notice that the people who were arguing with Felover3 in said debate didn't bother to attempt the game for themselves. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it, the game shows a great deal of promise.

Where'd 5x go?

Prologue 2/2 For some reason, this time through, the RNG hated on me for 20 min. straight. Oh well... Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Eirika Lord 2.55 17 5 9 9 6 3 1 Chap 1 5/7 Hello Franz! You will make this run much, much faster. And easier. And other stuff. Me gusta levels. Damnit Tana, why don't you join me now? Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Eirika Lord 4.34 19 6 10 11 6 4 2 Franz Cavalier 2.79 21 7 6 8 3 6 1 Chap 2 6/13 Had Ross on the fort turn two. Garcia took care of his dudes, and Franz and Eirika helped train Ross. Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Eirika Lord 5.40 20 7 11 12 7 4 2 Franz Cavalier 3.61 22 8 7 8 3 7 1 Ross Journeyman4.61 18 7 4 6 9 3 0 Chap 3 7/20 Did not care about Colm. Eirika and Franz combined to kill doors, and Ross trained a lot. Ross, your speed is unbelievable. Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Eirika Lord 7.15 22 9 11 14 9 4 3 Franz Cavalier 4.65 22 9 7 9 4 7 2 Ross Journeyman8.20 20 10 4 10 11 6 0 Chap 4 6/26 Journeyman crit with a regular axe looks AWESOME! In other news, Franz went to pick up Lute ASAP while Ross and Eirika protected Artur. L'Arachel, get back here! Eirika dealt with NE reinforcements as Franz cleaned up the South. Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Eirika Lord 8.75 22 9 12 15 10 4 3 Franz Cavalier 7.48 25 11 7 12 6 7 2 Ross Journeyman8.20 22 11 6 10 11 7 1 Lute Mage 1.43 17 6 6 7 8 3 5 Chap 5 7/33 Yo ho Pirate Ross! Franz took after the Dracoshield, and Ross went up by the shop. Natasha recruited Joshua (Ross baited since is speed is so crazy high) Could have finished in 6 turns, but wanted the guiding ring for Lute ASAP. Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Eirika Lord 9.54 22 10 12 16 11 5 3 Franz Cavalier 7.99 25 11 7 12 6 7 2 Ross Pirate 5.29 27 16 7 13 13 9 1 Lute Mage 3.05 18 8 6 8 8 3 6 Joshua Myrmidon 5.20 24 8 13 14 7 5 2 Chap 5x 10/43 Also known as the Ephraim and Orson show! 'Nuff said. Name Class Level HP Str Skl Spd Lck Def Res Ephraim Lord 6.96 25 9 9 12 10 8 3 Orson Paladin 4.24 35 15 13 11 4 14 7

I considered bumping this yesterday. Good to see you haven't forgotten, Shin. Keep up the Cursival!

Nino. The search to find her real parents/family, starting around where you first meet her in FE7. Jaffar is your Jeigan. Presumably, Nino's growths would need to be nerfed, lest she rofl stomp the whole game.

Valkyrie!L'Arachel Leaving Super!Amelia for all to enjoy

Except you both skipped Darros... EDIT: Where you both means Serious Bananas and 13th

Understood though I'm just trying to make the draft go quicker. Lena and Etzel.

OMNOM Secret Book!

Since I have the strangest feeling I'll be stuck between super trainees as last pick, Druid!Ewan and General!Amelia

My top 3 picks were the last 3... Berserker!Ross, Assassin!Joshua. Ensures I have a good axe user, and someone that can (eventually) open chests/doors.