Loki Laufeyson
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Nah people didnt bash Ilyana. I think the reason for that, was because FE didnt have loads of super-one-note characters in those days. At least, to the point where an entire game had such characters. Awakening and Fates did things to the perception of characters, making people really tired of tropes. You know very I nevr cared for Ilyana. But she was really harmless. Many will say the same for Faye, and thats true. Shes relatively harmless. But that doesnt mean people have to like her. I feel the vitriol though, has to do less with shipping and more to do with the fact she wasnt in the original Gaiden, and has the one-noteness to her. (Although im not going to discount your idea that people may hate her for shipping reasons. You likely saw that argument somewhere in great numbers. I havent seen it is all.)
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I like it just fine. Its not perfect, and parts show how old the game's concept really is, but its not a big deal. It was good enough for me when in comes to FE narrative.
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15 hours ago, KongDude said:
"Oh! Is THAT what you want? ...Because I'll do it. I'll fight for any cause you desire! Just promise you'll be watching, Alm! Promise to look at me!" -Faye C Support
She's fighting for Alm. She might not say that in her letters to her family, but she definitely says she fighting for that reason.
"This world belongs to Alm. To all of us. There's plenty of room for hope in it... but there's no room in it for you!" -Faye Final Quote
You forgot to say she still mentions Alm. Yes she mentions everyone else, but Alm is clearly a highlight.
Like you said, Colm has much more to him. Many characters have much more to them then Faye. That is why people don't like her. She failed to bring a single character trait that is somewhat special to her, or any personality that isn't revolving around another character.
We aren't looking at Faye as a soldier, but as a character. Okay, Faye doesn't need to have a grand reason to fight and whatever, that's fine. But it's a problem for some of us because it's still related to Alm. Almost everything she says and does includes Alm. I'm sure many of wouldn't care that Faye's fighting just to stay close, if she had a personality that didn't have to include Alm. Leon says he began fighting in the army because there was a guy he liked. Do we have a problem with that? No. Because he isn't just "VALBARVALBARVALBAR". He has an attraction to Valbar and makes it noticable, but he doesn't shove it down our throats like Faye. He's a pretty boy who cares much for himself. He could easily be this without Valbar.
Cheers. All of this. Im also not going to bring other characters down for this, because its false equivalency. And i feel like all the comparisons arent quite right. People doing all the justifying of Faye by using comparisons to guys like Camilla and Tharja are missing the point. The character i feel more apt in comparison is Ilyana
"But Loki, Ilyana isnt creepily obsessed with Ike or anyone!" Correct. But Ilyana is ridiculously one note in a sea of interesting characters. Shes hungry and waif-like and thats all there is. Shes got supports with other characters, and in those supports, its always focused on the one trait shes hungry. For Ilyana, its hunger. For Faye, its Alm. The difference? I didnt see half as much mental gymnastics to justify Ilyana back in the day. People were a bit more honest in their fanboyishness for Ilyana. She made them laugh and they loved her design.
1 hour ago, shadowofchaos said:Simplify it to this for me:
1. Her entire shtick is pretty bad. And she could have been a better character. With Alm and Celica being established even on the opening movie, what else is there but "failure" for her?
2. The hate for her and comparisons to Tharja or Yanderes in general is ridiculous.
I dont think Faye is yandere. I just think shes insipid and unkind.
57 minutes ago, shadowofchaos said:I didn't mean to say its objectively bad. I mean it is quite understandable why people don't like her simply because of how exaggerated all of her traits are for the sake of showing how much she wants Alm to be hers. For me, its pretty bad.
Cheers, this exactly. My opinion on Faye as indifference at first, to mild dislike upon seeing her supports with Silque. Then went to full on Hell Naw Territory after that passive agressive convo with Alm after his row with Celica.
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The what now?
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One way Faye is somewhat redeemed for me, is i had her as a Falcon Knight, but used my Pitchfork on her and made her a cleric/Saint. She stomps in that class far better, and thats sweetass shit.
Sadly, there was a late game base convo where Faye talks about writing her family, and yet its just goes right back to Alm. One of the most disappointing things ever cuz it starts out hella promising. She begins about how she finally got a letter back and how her family said she talks about Alm so much in it, and they wanted to know her real reasons for fighting. Im like bouncing up and down thinking we're gonna see a little more to her. Im expecting her to say her reasons for fighting is because she saw that it was the right thing to do to ensure a future for Ram village.
N o p e.
She replies saying she was stating her reasons for fighting by just discussing Alm. Yeah. Hes the ONLY reason she's still there. Not wanting a future for her homeland, not believing in any ideals the Deliverence may have shown her, no ideals, nothing. Just. Alm. Especially since everyone else has some actual idealistic reason for fighting. Not Faye... she doesnt even say that Alm showed her that saving Zofia was worth fighting for. Just. Him. gods what a disappointment.
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16 hours ago, saisymbolic said:
*raises hand*
Um, I use Rolf every time I play PoR. I tend to grind up both him, Mist and Marcia (also just about everyone I bring as well) in that map you recruit them. He surprisingly works pretty well, though I do understand that most will likely pass him over because of the need to grind and archers being relatively subpar.
7 hours ago, Glaceon Mage said:Rolf is basically the only reason I have to ever play Path of Boredom ever.
Well, him and Soren, I guess.
I think you two might be the only Rolf fans left hes not worth it in PoR (he can be in RD but its still effort and why when Shinon is zero effort. Still, better than PoR Rolf). But that convoluted bs to get Shinon back when yer not using Rolf is A Thing, my dudes.
6 hours ago, Glaceon Mage said:Closest I can think of is Desaix/Dozer, a Zofian Chancellor who betrayed the King, killed all his kids sans one, and tried to take over Zofia with help from Rigel.
He's basically the most despicable guy in the game.
This is in a game where Berkut The Reigning Champion Of Piss Babies(tm) exists, that is saying something. Yeah Desaix is a really nasty fucker who actually has that whole Iago shit going on. Even Slayde is nicer than this guy.
16 hours ago, unique said:what is wrong with priam
not that I like him or anything I just actually don't remember so I'm curious
Hes really pointless and basically just Ike fanservice there's literally nothing to him, other than "being the descendant of the Radiant Hero". Him existing is really inexplicable, to the point of lunacy. I guess hes fun, but mang..so wtf.
14 hours ago, SatsumaFSoysoy said:It's a step up from the thongs though lmao.
Ehh, i havent seen female barons or anything, but lady cavs in that game are wearing pants. Yeah theres a lot of Fantasy Boob Plate going on but ill take that over assless wyvern rider gear any day.
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On April 30, 2017 at 1:35 AM, eclipse said:
Would it kill the series to depict women who wear actual pants? Especially those who are on mounts - imagine the saddle sores!
Yee. Im glad folks in SoV are trousering it up. No assless chaps to be found.
Ill do mine by game.
FE7:
Rath only having like two people to support with. I get hes a quiet dude but...
Lyn having zero relevance after Noble Lady of Caelin. Argh.
Lyn constantly making tsundere noises at Hector. Its kinda out of character sometimes.
The game punishing you to H E L L if you dont train your lords. What if i want to do a no Eliwood run, eh?
Karla's recruitment, oiiiiii.
FE8:
Ephraim not really growing as a character irks the shit out of me.
L'Arachel reintroducing herself in the end of the Scorched Sand level, on Ephraim route. It makes sense for her to say something in Eirika route but...ugh
Marisa sucking real bad.
Ewan.
Wyvern Knight class. It sucks and lance lock on promotion is ass.
FE9:
Shinon's re-recruitment. Omg, who the fuck is even using Rolf, let alone letting him talk to Shinon in that level.
Ilyana.
Nephanee's base lance rank.
The fact only mounts are worth using.
FE10:
Astrid being hung up on Makalov is dingo's kidneys.
Sothe often. Not taking Micaiah's actual feelings into account about a lot of shit. (Also, the fact transfers for him can fuck him up so bad, he's unusable)
How did Oliver survive?
FE11:
Everything is muddy looking.
Having to murder your guys to get more guys and chapters.
Battle animations.
FE13:
Emmeryn. Just..Emmeryn.
Lack of custum palettes for characters.
No facial hair for MaMU.
Gangrel's shitty ass support with FeMU. O m g my rage.
Priam. Like, why.
Severa and Cordelia are just the worst
FE14:
No one talks about Corn being a dragon. Its not even plot relevant. Ugh.
Princesses not having legendary weapons.
Hinoka being a crap character in story.
Garon not having real motive.
Iago being named Iago, but nothing he does warrants the symbolism of his name.
Kid units. I like some of them but ugh, they dont need to exist.
Camilla's design.
SoV:
Faye. She didnt even exist in the original Gaiden, so wtf is she here?
The fact theres TWO grinding DLC packs. Like, w h y.
Maps are really big like, too big sometimes.
Theres more gripes, but ill post more when i think of them.
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Behold, Cav Generic
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Nah, i like it too. I think im gonna be playing this game a lot. I love dungeon crawling and i love how everyone just comes to life. Each FE has its own vibe or feel to it that's unique. This one's really pleasant and a vibe i havent experienced in a game in a long time. The story is strong enough, and theres that reminiscent feel of Sacred Stones here too. (Yeah i know that game borrowed hella from Gaiden) The characters are lovely and well designed, and a distinct old school feel due to it being a remake. Im having a good time.
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1 hour ago, KongDude said:
Honestly, yeah. Like, OP, its great you like her but...ok? Like, do you honestly feel personally attacked that people dont like that character? Cuz if so, ummm....pretty sure people arent intending to say "Faye fans suck." Like, thats a dick move if someone's implying that, but no one has. Like, at all. You, OP, like the character. Yay. Fantastic. Im glad someone does. But, umm you really dont need this thread. You dont need to explain yourself in why you like her. Im pretty sure everyone who played Fates can agree that Faye is still better written than a lot of characters in that game. Cuz she is, and i doubt many will vehemently dispute that.
But, my guy, just as you are fully entitled to enjoy that character, people are entitled to dislike her. No need to beat the dead horse. I mean, its only been a week and that dead horse is so beaten, its like a pulp. I dislike her immensly,but even im tired of this topic already. You were always well within your rights to enjoy a character that is unpopular.
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I like our canon ships. Alm/Celica, Clive/Mathilda, Zeke/Tatiana, Mae/Boey. I like Alm/Clair as a secondary tho. Leon/Kamui is a thing for me though.
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8 minutes ago, Sophie said:
Oh, I know. I didn't mean to come off a bit rude about it, if I did. Sorry.
Nah, nah dear, yer fine. I as just using your post as an example of people feeling.a bit like they have to somehow apologize for disliking a character, cuz theres unnecessary friction going on in this thread. I kinda avoided like, almost every pre-release thing about this game. (Irl bollocks really had a lot to do with it) So im curious about what people think.
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21 minutes ago, ChibiToastExplosion said:
I think a lot more people would like him if he was a good unit.
People have a hard time seperating character from combat. Why use your favorites, or even have a favorite, that's not l33t LTC?
Yeah somerimes like Faye is a great unit and is on my squad, so its why i was trying to like her characters like Camilla in Fates is kinda ass in personality, but hella good on the battlefield, so theres that too. Or like why Python for me is like meh, but its clear hes a cool dude and im like "GET GUD THO BUDDY!" Lol
13 minutes ago, Sophie said:I just don't care for Clive, yea, I understand him and also why people like him but even with all of his story involvement I just don't really like him very much.
I don't care he's not good as a unit, I like Python a lot and I think he's hot garbage ingameI think we need to get something really clear here cuz theres way too much misunderstanding going on. Its ok to like or dislike characters that are popular or unpopular. If people like Faye or Berkut, its perfectly ok. If people dislike Clive or Celica, thats fine too. Im not sure why its becoming something of a witch hunt or why people are getting way too defensive about the characters they like or dont like. Or why i found myself getting chased down by a user in threads trying to lecture me on Faye. Or why its "parroting a meme" to make observations about characters. (Deen and Clive come to mind) People have opinions and these are things you can say "different strokes for different folks"
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The voice acting, character depth, those beautiful anime cutscenes, the music, aww yiss. But my favorite thing is the dungeon crawling. The 3D movement and battling junk on my terms and finding hidey holes. Its great.
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Hehe, my dude, yeah i can see how you can dig Clive's style. I admit i havent gotten to know Forsyth cuz he lagged behind on my squad and i just didnt feel like using him. Maybe if i get some villager forks or something. Certainly dont got a beef with him. Green is a nice color ;)
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3 hours ago, unique said:
i'm... not sure if you're joking or not, but I haven't heard anyone describe faye with any of those words
in fact, she has been mentioned negatively 19 times in this thread!
i've seen a few people say "she's not that bad" but i haven't seen a single person claim she's a deep or complex character
Hes probably referring to reddit posts about Faye. Some people there seem to think theres a deep meta there in the character. I agree with him in that its a pair of dingo's kidneys. There isnt any deep meta tbh, and ive read a couple of the posts about it. Thor Odinson really nailed the final straw regarding Faye. That really passive-aggressive moment after Alm rows with Celica. Yikes.
I like Clive. He's mediocre as a unit but ok as a dude. Hes got flaws (a bit prideful and acted pretty rashly regarding Alm but i think its cuz he knows some shizz, ya know? But still...) but is a dude who tries to really make shit work.
Luthier is a sexy nerd. I love hims.
Berkut is such a ridiculous toerag, i cant help but love the hell out of his tantrums. That voice actor really helps. My shit-boy, cry some more. Omg hes so entertaining.
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I dont grind A LOT, but ill stomp on guys to get my squad not sucky. I like the dungeon crawling the best, but ill pound the pirates and paladins too. No DLC for me. Im not sure if ill bother with the DLC or not.
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Hes fantastic. He even says in a fort convo about how he fell for a dude but that dude died. Yeah the convo the OP posted. Leon says that in the manner of romance, absolutely. I love him. My pewr Leon, loves his Valbar but his Valbar isnt gay. Leon deals with it and just wants to be near his Valbar even just as friends.
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45 minutes ago, Emerson said:
For the record, I've warmed up to Faye. Azama is once again the only fictional
character I wholeheartedly dislike as of right now.
Its hard to top the sheer asshattery of Azama hes a cunt
19 minutes ago, Armagon said:Yes, her entire character revolves around Alm but there's a difference between being rude and being an asshole. Faye is rude. Fernand is an asshole. And honestly, she's only been rude towards Silque, which she apologizes for later on. She's pretty friendly with the Ram Villagers+Celica.
Also, no, Peri is much, much worse. Sorry, but i'll take someone who genuianly loves someone over a psycopathic murderer who tried to kill her allies (see Peri and Felicia's A-Support). What i hate the most about Peri is that the game tries to pretend that her killing innocent people is a-ok, yet you're supposed to hate Hans, who basically does the same thing.
I explained i have a massive problem with internalized misogyny, and Faye has a passive-aggressive conversation with Alm after his row with Celica. She may be nice to Celica, but its clear she hates the fact she and Alm are close. Faye really isnt a very nice person and im standing by that. I get that people hate Peri, but it has little to do with Faye and the context in which Faye is presented. Tharja and Camilla are a better comparison due to the context of their characters. I get that you like Faye, but i dont and never will. Have a nice day.
QuoteMy issue with Faye in comparison to the other characters of a similar archetype is that theres so little to her.... she doesn't speak of anything BUT Alm so she ends up being very one note. Unlike Tharja, who has more to her and actually talks with other people, Faye is only Alm's stalker and that's it. She's definitely on the lower end of favorites for me but I don't hate her. I like her as a unit but I forget she exists characterwise.
Faye being a decent unit is the only vindication for me. Otherwise she would rot on the bench forever. Thats also something I struggle with Severa and Mia. Dislike them immensly, but good units otherwise. (Mia is only good in RD lol)
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So, what are your favorites and the not so favorites?
Mine so far:
Favorites:
Celica. Shes very lovely to look at, but also a deeply sweet person. Shes stubborn and ruled by her heart, but people point this out. Shes great when she puts her Big Girl Pants on at the end of Act 3.
Leon: Should not surprise anyone that i love the purple haired gay guy. Hes done so well, that hes not a stereotype. I love that Nintendo put this guy in. He knows his love is unrequited, and is prepared to deal with it. Mah pewr dude. Plus hes a great unit.
Mathilda: Oh shes fantastic. She looks good, is a solid character both on and off the battlefield, and her relationship with Clive is cute.
Clair: her support with Gray won me over, that B...yass slay! But shes great. Noble, but not super classist. Shes a lot like Maribelle actually.
Mae: Shes so cute. Energetic without being bratty and annoying. Totally hiding that shes got feelings for Boey. I love her supports with Celica and gives her pep talks all the time.
Not-So-Favorites:
tbh i only really have the one. Gray annoyed me at first but hes got layers and is a cool dude once you get to know him. You know isnt cool when you get to know them?
Faye: Shes kind of an asshole. Her entire character revolves around Alm. Theres literally nothing else to her. In a sea of characters with great characterization and depth, she sticks out really sorely. Unlike other characters that are similar (guys like Camilla or Tharja), Faye looks sweet and innocuous. Her design is nice and charming, shes not overbearing in speech either. But shes an asshole. Unlike other really assholish characters like Severa, Faye is not tsundere. But still an asshole. While her A support with Silque is kinda ok, the ones leading up to that really paint a highly unpleasant picture of Faye. She seems to dislike other women, and only wants to be around Alm, and to hell with everyone else. Im sorry, no matter how you paint it, Faye isnt gonna be anything other than a massive jerk to me. I dont take kindly to interlized misogyny, period. (and saying Peri is worse isnt an argument because at least there was more to her than murder.)
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This game is beautiful. Gameplay, im still working out some stuff with classes and promotion, but otherwise having fun. The dialogue and localization is great. The full voice acting is great. The art is fantastic and the story's pace is good. Lots of depth going on, and lots of world building. Only one character bothers me so far. (Im on Act 3) Faye is legit awful in her personality. Like, omg fuck off with that "i hate everyone but Alm, especially other girls." shit. If she wasnt decent a unit, bench forever.
Im having fun and i love the spirit of FE being back.
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Its kinda broken, but hella cool for when stuff doesnt turn out right or you mess up. I dig it.
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Random battles. The kind that freeze you in the middle of what you are doing (Xenogears).
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Yes. The end, good bye.
Why I like Faye
in Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia
Posted · Edited by Loki Laufeyson
Yee, hence why i got excited about that late game convo. I thought id see another aspect to her, but i ended up disappointed.
Edit: @Sunwoo, i wanna add I actually didnt follow too much pre-release stuff for SoV. (Irl was very unkind to me during such.) so I actually did not know there was Faye hate prior to release. My opinion came from my experiences playing the game. My initial opinion on Faye before release (cuz i did see her in Heroes) was positive due to her highly charming design.