Cymbalina's Revenge

Just curious-- do you also consider the Marth/Zelda and Ike/Samus shippers out there to be "sick-minded people"?

Also Anri did his hero thing solo. In order to get an actual game out of it you'd need to take the other heroes into account-- Iote, Ordwin and Cartas. Which could be interesting, what with all the political backstabbing and the love triangle, but might be kind of anticlimactic when these guys have all been slogging away and then Anri shows up with his magic sword and wins everything. Anyway, I don't see it happening. New world, new continent pl0x.

Well, FE4 kind of addressed the issue of babies + armies. Deirdre got left behind once Seliph was born and that didn't turn out so well, but Ethlyn tried to take Altena on campaign and that also didn't turn out so well. Unless very small children are part of the actual plot I don't see that happening-- the kids would just be offscreen, like Yuno and Zealot's baby girl in FE6. Finn in FE5. Not PTSD perhaps but Leif indicates his emotional responses have been frozen muted since he watched Leonster burn... thirteen years before the game takes place . Also FE12 has some kind of interesting things to say about Marth's psyche and IMO it wasn't handled especially well. I guess some psychological realism would be nice but after seeing, say, Noire in FE13 I wouldn't expect to have PTSD handled in a sensitive or realistic way. At worst, they'd play it for laughs. LOL, Jeigan character has been triggered into a flashback. Isn't mental trauma wacky and fun? Ick.

Ike and Pit was actually a big hot thing for a while after Brawl came out, because SSB shippers already had Marth paired up with Link or Roy. As to why... why not? They're pretty and it's the Internet.

Yeah, I was going to say that FE's battle sequences are stylized in a way where blood doesn't really fit. Might potentially lend more impact to the cut scenes and CGIs, but it seems like FE's done a pretty good job of making players feel the plot-important death scenes without it. And chapter 5 of FE4 didn't need a single pixel's worth of blood to make an impact.

You could try Noish. Makes use of a guy who doesn't have Pursuit but can pass down Critical.

No thanks. I am about 90% less likely to finish a strategy game that requires me to be chained to my TV. I have a WiiU and stuff like Mario Kart looks great but Mario Kart and SSB work with a crowd in the living room. They benefit from community. I enjoy FE much, much more on a handheld.

I don't know. Dethroning the actual "King" sitting on what is meant to be Leif's turf would've arguably have provided more closure than just beating up Veld, more of a sense of "YES we liberated the North." He's opposed to the child hunting but he's a usurper. The whole scheme to unify Thracia under Leif demands Blume's death, or at the very least running him out of town. And, as you said, the presence of Arthur and Asaello both would seem to point to more of Blume and specifically to a showdown at Conote. The game we get just gives this weirdo asterisk to Leif's status as "The Liberator of Northern Thracia" and that appears to be 100% intentional. Leif saved the day, except Seliph kinda did actually. But Leif deserves to be the king anyway because he's the last male heir, except Fergus is secretly royalty. Well, Leif can marry Miranda and make everything legit except hell no he's not gonna do that. And oh yeah, Travant wasn't such a bad guy after all. @_@

Five thumbs up. FE has had a couple of good mother/Lord relationships of varying types (Leif & Eyvel, Eliwood & Eleanora, and Ike & Titania all come to mind), but this would be great. And no, F!Robin and Robin!Lucina really doesn't go where it could've gone with that concept.

We kinda had that in FE12. Did not like, but your mileage may vary.

I'd love that. Like FE4, only you're playing as Arvis. Wish list: Peg Knight Lord, though the idea of a lance-using Lord who promotes to Wyvern Rider is also a great one. ARCHER LORD Badass female PIRATE. The cynical Jeigan and the Falcoknight Jeigan are both cool ideas, too.

No kidding. After years of people complaining (rightfully) about the dearth of female Smashers we got 1.5 female FE reps in Lucina and Robin. Out of four reps total. Plus all the Chrom cameos, which seem in no worse taste than what, uh, every other character in SSB gets done unto them in each installment (remember all the humiliating "deaths" of The Subspace Emissary?). We should be celebrating. Like a couple of posters said above, there's an obvious sense of fun to both the in-game ribbing and the fandom ribbing. Being important enough to poke fun at sure beats being ignored, for a long-time niche franchise.

Yeah, without knowing offhand who edited the timeline and what their sources were, it's hard to hang a lot on the wiki. It's hard enough dealing with all Kaga's interviews and notes and such, some of which don't seem to add up. But Jugdral and Archanea are connected per the word of the main guy who thought them up. That's not an assumption on our part-- a lot of it is laid out here, including Naga's reluctance to help humans versus Forseti's desire to aid them. FE4/5>>>FE1/FE2/FE3 is the one part of the continuity chain that's dead certain, IMO, and if Kaga had been allowed to release Tear Ring Saga as an FE spinoff that game's continent would've been another addition to the same planet. I don't think much of anything about Ylisse was very well-thought-out, really...

The Loptyr Empire happened first. The Loptyr empire's defeat came about at a time when all dragons save Forseti were pretty reluctant to help humans-- from the sound of it, Naga wasn't 100% on the Help Humanity train yet. Plus the creation of the Falchion and Shield of Seals coincided with Naga's "death," at which point only three divine dragons were even left alive, so the creation of Falchion can't pre-date the first Holy War. Based off all that, the Miracle of Darna that gave the Jugdral crusaders their powers happened before things on Archanea went completely to hell from a dragonkin perspective.

The dates can't necessarily be reconciled. The Jugdral calendar and Archanea calendar are not based off the same starting point and there's no reason to think Elibe and Magvel are dating their calendars off the same scale. Bantu's still alive 'cause it's funny for him to be alive given he was already decrepit.

The lack of Faval and Patty is interesting given that the unused portraits of Asaello and Daisy hint that their niche in the plot might've been considered at some point. But whereas we got Nanna instead of Janne and Ced instead of Hawk in the finished FE5, Briggid's kids got kicked to the curb, mentioned only in a certain character's ending bio. Maybe dealing with Briggid's kids in the game would've been too thorny given that particular spoilerriffic surprise? I'm not sure if I'm satisfied with the way FE5 plays out with Seliph taking down the "real" threat (Blume) in Conote while Leif'n'Ced deal with Manster. On the one hand it does ram home yet again that Leif is not actually the main hero of the saga these characters are in... but we kind of get that point, already. To have Leif able to face down Blume, with boss quotes and all, in FE4 and yet denied the opportunity in FE5 is kind of sad. Yeah. I guess I've accepted the two different versions without ever being 100% sure of which one I prefer.

FE4Gen1> I still have to wonder if Archanea was meant to be the world on the other side of the Dragon's Gate, making Elibe a thing to itself. Don't we have the claims in FE13 that human-dragon hybrids didn't exist before Nah? That makes no sense in context of all the hybrids in Elibe. Also IIRC there's pretty compelling evidence with the in-game timelines (re: the Miracle of Darna and the dates of Tiki's birth & Naga's 'death') that FE1/3 happened about 1000 years after FE4 wrapped up. Magvel is also a mystery-- as you said, there are manaketes and the legend of a sword that sounds suspiciously like Marth's Falchion but nothing else, really. The five Stones that can't be the Orbs from Marth's world make it seem almost like a weirdo mirrorverse of Archanea/Valentia.

I've always wondered how healing magic affects people with terrible/no RES versus high RES, myself! Slave trading seems to be a fairly large problem in some continents-- Linde was originally rescued from slave traders (Shadow Dragon kind of downplayed the slavery part of it IIRC) and FE5 has Eyvel rescuing Mareeta from slave traders. As far as societal ills go, Archanea and Jugdral seem to be pretty terrible places where kidnapping, child slavery, and exploitation are just part of the scene-- and in many cases this stuff is going on well before the war du jour, so it's not like the war is the cause of it all. I mean, the Loptyr cult doing outright child hunts was a worse problem, but Jugdral already seemed like a pretty crap place to live with pirates running protection rackets, widespread corruption, etc etc.

Yeah, and the vast number of characters who are orphaned, half-orphaned, or have dead siblings indicates that life is nasty-brutish-short for a lot of people even when there's not a war on. Staves may well be too expensive for the average village but even the wealthy die of illness (ex: Hector's whole family) when they could easily retain healers to keep them alive. It just doesn't seem like magic is all that effective there.

Actually as far as Archanea goes, IIRC the designers' notes said that when the dragons ruled everything, they had way cool technology, and when the friendly dragons yielded the continent to humans they taught them magic to make up for the technology. And then two thousand years later we get Ylisse and it's pretty much at the same level as Marth's Archanea except they have spectacles instead of monocles. So yeah, magic makes up for technological advances and once you have that, there's no real pressure to improve. Like, who needs a machine for heavier-than-air flight when you have wyverns and pegasi? I will say that Thracia 776 does mention new weapons being developed after Leif unified the country so I have to wonder what advances they made there...

That's where I was going with Gen2 being presented as a standalone-- Super Leif and Seliph Quest or whatever. I think you definitely could get a full-length game out of an integrated Seliph Campaign and Leif Campaign, but the end result would likely sacrifice essential characteristics of the campaigns as they are in the SNES games and the resulting hybrid would be... different. Maybe good, maybe not But having Sigurd's campaign followed by Super Leif and Seliph Quest sounds really imbalanced IMO.

Those chapters already were remade as bonus content for FE12 so I doubt they'd get expanded into another full game. Stranger things have happened, I guess.

Well, you also have the original FE3 cast fleshed out in ways that don't even match to their established characterization from SNES times. (No, really, some characters actually had characterization prior to FE12.) It wasn't all bad. Some of the new things FE12 created to embellish the characters turned out well. But the claim of "character assassination" above isn't far off in other cases-- some characters now feel like tropey re-hashes of the characters from mid-period FE games. And it really didn't help that Kris was a blockhead.

Word to the third. I think FE7 ought to be remade in the vein of FE12/13 just so everyone who loves and treasures the FE7 cast can feel the pain of their favorite characters getting stomped by the self-insert. :P However, since the thread asks about the Japan-only games, I am morbidly curious to see FE4 remade, especially if it included things like Pair Up and reclassing.

Eh, still not convinced. The tone of the two games is just so radically different-- large-scale continental warfare with a small party of super-warriors vs small-scale conflict in a relatively tiny geographical area with a pretty motley army. Even the color palettes are so sharply different! The atmosphere is different. Even if Gen2 were presented as its own standalone game I kind of feel that what makes each game itself would be stripped away in order to make a coherent whole of it.