Junkhead Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 But they can get Crowned by then pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Jill is a pretty good Crown candidate anyway since she'll have the Canto to retreat from the enemy. Don't put Tauroneo over there unless he's doing it to weaken stuff. If he's left there on the Enemy Phase, Ike will whip out Ragnell and then... well say your prayers. Don't forget: Women are magical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Why isn't Brolan usually early-Crowned? Is it because they want more stats to cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Jill is a pretty good Crown candidate anyway since she'll have the Canto to retreat from the enemy. Don't put Tauroneo over there unless he's doing it to weaken stuff. If he's left there on the Enemy Phase, Ike will whip out Ragnell and then... well say your prayers. Don't forget: Women are magical. Bold: ...Ehhh? The rest: I understand... Then again, it's not as though I ever buy any of those magic cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Why isn't Brolan usually early-Crowned? Is it because they want more stats to cap? Kind of. Technically Jill is better to crown because she can get more chances to snipe at Ike with the Card, then retreat. The problem is that if you're two spots within Ike, he's going to pull out Ragnell. And chances are your Ike is pretty close to Spd cap and definite on the Str cap. I don't think anyone wants to take 45 Atk with near-30 AS. Taur already gets wiped off the map. Then you have +5 Def to deal with. In other words: bad. If you didn't train Jill, then Nolan (assuming you went for him) is probably the best to crown then. You're going to have shaky situations, though. It might even be better just to crown Tauroneo right then and there and try for a Luna proc. Dunno, the only other alternative is Volug after that really. Bold: ...Ehhh? Don't make me pull more jokes. I'm out of them. The rest: I understand... Then again, it's not as though I ever buy any of those magic cards. Now we're playing the "poor excuse" card? You can buy the Daemon Card in 3-13. AFTER you get another Gold dump. Don't tell me you can't afford it. Edited January 15, 2011 by Tyranel M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Now we're playing the "poor excuse" card? You can buy the Daemon Card in 3-13. AFTER you get another Gold dump. Don't tell me you can't afford it. Not so much "can't afford it" as "I've got better options for the 5000 Gold that it takes to buy one of those". Edited January 15, 2011 by Malik Maxwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Not so much "can't afford it" as "I've got better options for the 5000 Gold that it takes to buy one of those". What are you going to buy with that 5,000 Gold? Hookers? No I'm being serious with this question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 What are you going to buy with that 5,000 Gold? Hookers? No I'm being serious with this question... I'd consider a magic card low priority compared to most of anything else, really... I'd consider ranged weaponry a better investment than a magic card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I'd consider a magic card low priority compared to most of anything else, really... I'd consider ranged weaponry a better investment than a magic card. The ranged weaponry also sucks in comparison to a forge, which you're going to get immediately after the Dawn Brigade is finished. You probably have a Short Axe lying around, a Tomahawk is given in 3-12, and a Storm Sword is pretty damn inaccurate. Lances are pretty much the least of your worries too unless you're using Aran. You can't seriously tell me that a magic card is not a good investment when it probably does more than the Short Spear / Storm Sword / Short Axe would period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) The ranged weaponry also sucks in comparison to a forge, which you're going to get immediately after the Dawn Brigade is finished. You probably have a Short Axe lying around, a Tomahawk is given in 3-12, and a Storm Sword is pretty damn inaccurate. Lances are pretty much the least of your worries too unless you're using Aran. You can't seriously tell me that a magic card is not a good investment when it probably does more than the Short Spear / Storm Sword / Short Axe would period. At any rate, I really never saw much purpose to those cards... In addition, while Storm Swords may be inaccurate, the only other ranged options for swords ae Wind Edges (can't be forged) and Tempest Blades (you only get two of these). Also, to be honest, I think that the "card Ike to death" strategy is still somewhat dicey, since most of the laguz have S strike, and I'll pass on being on the business end of tiger fangs in that case. Edited January 15, 2011 by Malik Maxwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 At any rate, I really never saw much purpose to those cards... In addition, while Storm Swords may be inaccurate, the only other ranged options for swords ae Wind Edges (can't be forged) and Tempest Blades (you only get two of these). They have a purpose, even if it's situational and not that worthwhile even in the appropriate situation. And you can sell it off again later to recoup some of the money. Certainly the existence of a Storm Sword probably isn't going to save you a turn earlier on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 At any rate, I really never saw much purpose to those cards... ;facepalm: We went over, what, 3 different ways to use the cards effectively? We have; - Black Knight in 3-7 - Ike in 3-13 - Ena in Endgame, though the last isn't as noticeable. The most cards you have to even buy is the Daemon Card in 3-12 and maybe another for Ena. Yes their impact is small within the entire game's process, but they help make some of the impossible possible. In addition, while Storm Swords may be inaccurate, the only other ranged options for swords ae Wind Edges (can't be forged) and Tempest Blades (you only get two of these). Any units using Storm Swords is a pretty dicey idea anyway; more dicey than your next statement. 2 range was barely used with Mia in Part 4 barring some instances. With Zihark... You can still buy a freaking Storm Sword in 3-6. DB being broke is difficult. They can afford both. Also, to be honest, I think that the "card Ike to death" strategy is still somewhat dicey, since most of the laguz have S strike, and I'll pass on being on the business end of tiger fangs in that case. Here's a fun fact about those 3 Tigers near Ike: they don't move. Furthermore, you have Beastfoe on your side as well as Taur. It shouldn't be terribly difficult to survive the southern laguz. All it takes is a little planning and a crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Hahaha. Will it take long before you guys come to realize Ritcher is like a broken record and stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 I'll pass on being on the business end of tiger fangs in that case. Then kill him in one turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Hahaha. Will it take long before you guys come to realize Ritcher is like a broken record and stop? You forgot I debated with people like MaxKnight, who was nothing more than a broken record. My entire hobby relies on beating myself in the head with arguments. I think I should've wrote Glenn Beck's book to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Soul howcome you call Nolan Brolan? Whenever I see him I suddenly think "Brolan" lol. Magic cards are also useful for noobs like Fiona ^_^ just saying. Edited January 15, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Then kill him in one turn. Any bright ideas for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Any bright ideas for that? Crowned Jill w/brave axe + Taur w/magic cards could probably finish him off fairly easy. Ike moves first, I think, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) Wrath/Resolve/Cancel Edward + Parity Jill. Edited January 16, 2011 by Mr. Know-it-all-Anouleth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanarkin Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Wrath/Resolve/Cancel Edward + Parity Jill. Wouldn't vantage turn out better with wrath resolve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Wouldn't vantage turn out better with wrath resolve? If Ike attacks and switches to Ragnell, the jig is up. Edward can't go around taking hits that powerful and doesn't do good enough damage with Ragnell's defense bonus even if Vantage does proc. Cancel is better because if he's weak enough to activate Wrath, Ike probably OHKOes him even with Bronze, and Cancel reduces the probability of death by about half. Plus, Vantage is best place on Nolan with Beastfoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Crowned Jill w/brave axe + Taur w/magic cards could probably finish him off fairly easy. Ike moves first, I think, too. I doubt it'd work unless Jill activaes Stun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Jill leaves a maxed out Ike at very low HP for Tauroneo to finish up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) Jill leaves a maxed out Ike at very low HP for Tauroneo to finish up. I assume we're talking a max health and near, if not max, defense Ike here. A crowned Jill might not be that effective on him. Unless you're assuming Jill doubles Ike... 'Course, I can't judge when Jill gets her crowning... Or am I missing something here? Edited January 16, 2011 by Malik Maxwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I assume we're talking a max health and near, if not max, defense Ike here. A crowned Jill might not be that effective on him. Unless you're assuming Jill doubles Ike... 'Course, I can't judge when Jill gets her crowning... Or am I missing something here? If I mean a 'maxed out', I mean maxed out to the point where everything except Res & Luck are capped. Jill is usually trained at 3-6 & 3-12 with Paragon to be given the Crown. It's very much possible. Or have you not seen the RD runs going around SF? Check the lastest. Anoulethe's run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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