AstraLunaSol Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 so it's basically DoF Inflation? Pretty muchThough your levels only get inflated by about 2 levels at around ch 6 - 10, then the levels average out.the increases in stats are everywhere though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Oh, I was more referring to the fact that DoF's stats are inflated and I suppose the new patch would make weapons inflated too (why not just do an overall decrease of stats?) oh and I just tried to access the growths/bases spreadsheet link in the OP and it directed me to an empty page, I wonder if anyone else if having the same problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) If you mean the stat calc by eclipse I have no clue, it's hosted on the public portion of my dropbox so there shouldn't be issues since I didn't touch it and it works fine for me Maybe Dropbox was just being stupid when you tried to access it? Edited November 1, 2013 by Ezio Auditore da Firenze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 no, the stat calc works fine, the spreadsheet is an empty page. Gabriel has availability and supports on River. . .she's pretty good offensively, and can easily take over his spot if he gets unnecessarily screwed (especially in Speed). Also, why aren't you giving River as much credit for her Speed as Karen? hm. I guess because staff users don't have to compete for limited experience, and they can get to 20 quickly and reliably, without taking risks that come with setting up to attack, tanking for enemy phase... with Karen vs Gabriel they are competing over finite experience points. 4 points of speed is 4 points of speed but having all your healers at 20 is very simple to do, compared to babying River to the degree you have to. It's also the fact that once I promote magic users they are on staff duty foremost, to gain exp and wexp that they wouldn't otherwise, while the rest of the force handles the fighting during player and enemy phase. So 4 speed for Karen or River isn't nearly as important to me as 4 speed for, say, Garath, Kanus, or Juan. I also don't play with supports; makes the game too easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) Spreadsheet probably got taken offline because people kept on editing it It originally contained the stat calculator but people can't seem to keep their editing within 3 specified boxes as detailed in the readme, fucking people can't follow simple instructions You can get the growths by doing some simple math from the stat calc page anyway Agro if you want everyone's growths just say something on skype i'll give you a screenshot lol Edited November 1, 2013 by Ezio Auditore da Firenze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 hm. I guess because staff users don't have to compete for limited experience, and they can get to 20 quickly and reliably, a lot of people would disagree. in my personal experience, lia was consistently the lowest leveled unit on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstraLunaSol Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Oh, I was more referring to the fact that DoF's stats are inflated and I suppose the new patch would make weapons inflated too (why not just do an overall decrease of stats?) oh enemies get better weapons that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 a lot of people would disagree. in my personal experience, lia was consistently the lowest leveled unit on the team. You probably play for ranks and low turn counts and such. I've seen you doing stuff over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayward Winds Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) a lot of people would disagree. in my personal experience, lia was consistently the lowest leveled unit on the team. You probably play for ranks and low turn counts and such. I've seen you doing stuff over the past few years. I don't play for low turn counts, but I'm also in the 'slow growth healers' camp. I think the problem is that they only tend to get ten or so exp a turn from the basic Heal staff, or 15ish from a Mend. That's all they get, because they can't exactly counterattack during the enemy phase (well, Do5 priests and sisters can, so Lia's the only one in Do5 who falls under this). Hence, around 7 - 10 turns to level up, at best. Not helpful for letting them keep up with more combat orientated classes. ...But this happens with virtually all FE staff spammers, so I'm taking the matter no further. (I did get Lia to 20/1 by the end of Ch. 14, but it took a whole lot of work. Even I start thinking about promoting earlier than lv. 20 with Troubadours). Edited November 1, 2013 by Wayward Winds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I don't play for low turn counts, but I'm also in the 'slow growth healers' camp. I think the problem is that they only tend to get ten or so exp a turn from the basic Heal staff, or 15ish from a Mend. That's all they get, Unless they changed something in one of the more recent patches that I haven't gotten around to downloading, pretty sure it's closer to 17exp from Heal and 22exp from Mend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Part of the problem might be that Lia's mounted and loses healing turns rescuing other units in LTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 It's 15 for a Heal 18 for a Mend in the current version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 You probably play for ranks and low turn counts and such. I've seen you doing stuff over the past few years. okay, that neither invalidates my point nor does it validate yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) Was intended to dismiss, not invalidate, yours. We play the game differently so your experience isn't something worth arguing about. Every healer gets to 20 before promotion when I play. Edited November 1, 2013 by Trepanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 and i honestly have never gotten any healer over level 10 on any of my runs of this game actually i'm pretty sure my healers don't get over 10 in typical FE runthroughs either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vennobennu Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Personally I never get my healers to level 20 except in Shadow Dragon sometimes. They just fall behind in stats and movement otherwise. I do usually manage to get them into the 12-14 range though. About raising hit on weapons - will that apply to the majority of weapons (ie iron/steel/silver varieties) or just to the enemy-only weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I feel like this is obvious, but you are supposed to be using heal every turn, and using your dancer/bard to get another when feasible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Pretty sure dancer/bard have more important things to be doing than letting your healer spam staves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT075 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) my dancers have far better things to do than dancing a backliner like dancing a frontliner and clearing faster Edited November 1, 2013 by CT075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Was intended to dismiss, not invalidate, yours. in the context of an argument, the two are just about the same thing. We play the game differently so your experience isn't something worth arguing about. and what does that make your experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I know you're smart enough to understand that playing without the restrictions of LTC rank or efficiency is different than playing with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 what are you talking about? efficiency has no restrictions. you still haven't answered my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I play casual, my healers don't get up to level 10 either. At the end of the day its all about the players preference. I prefer my sages healing because they can shoot fireballs if they get attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepanation Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I guess I don't know what efficient play means then You asked a few questions I didn't answer because they only matter if we do not agree on the fact that playing for rank or ltc is different than playing casually. I dismissed your opinion because you do not play casually, but I do. You didn't seem to want to argue casual balance because an item in your argument suggested you had no casual play experience (low level healers), and I don't want to argue balance using other rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 (edited) Except a lot of other people in the thread who are casual players also do not have high-levelled healers? And don't make assumptions either just because dondon never documents a casual run doesn't mean he has no experience with them Edited November 1, 2013 by Ezio Auditore da Firenze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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