BBHood217 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 This thread saddens me, even though everyone speaks the truth and I really do agree with them :( Whatever overall score she gets, she's still a perfect 10 to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Besides, the most ridiculous part of this topic in my eyes is far and away the influx of 0/10 votes, as if Nino seriously contributes less than Wil. Making it sound like she contributes more than the likes of Marcus is no better, you know. Oh, and did I mention that there are even less unit slots in hard mode? Edited January 26, 2012 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 You and I both know that discounting votes based on "probable trolling" is a slippery slope. Besides, the most ridiculous part of this topic in my eyes is far and away the influx of 0/10 votes, as if Nino seriously contributes less than Wil. those people probably rated wil 0/10and maybe they're talking efficiency where nino doesn't do anything and wil can chip something, idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Oi, Refa. Some people might not be interested in cancelling out 9.9s, but just want to give her a 0 and not sure if 0s are allowed. As I said earlier, 0s are allowed due to precedence in the Wallace topic, and I only bring up negatives to 0 and >10 to 10. And a lower score is still lower if the variation changes. Even lowering the average by ~0.03 is still lower. And man please at least bold that x^0. It's good that I know these simple math expressions to know that's a 1, but it ain't making me counting votes any easier, especially in the middle of a sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 You and I both know that discounting votes based on "probable trolling" is a slippery slope. Besides, the most ridiculous part of this topic in my eyes is far and away the influx of 0/10 votes, as if Nino seriously contributes less than Wil. Probable trolling is only a slippery slope if you don't care about the magnitude of the improbability. For you to believe she's a 9.9 after years of your participation in the fe7 tier lists, we are talking 1 * 10-20 or something on that order. Now, if we only discount posts that are 99.999999999999999999% likely to be trolling, I don't think we have to worry too much about the slippery slope. Slippery slope arguments are often lame, anyway, given how in many of these cases the coefficient of friction on said slopes is usually really really large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Probable trolling is only a slippery slope if you don't care about the magnitude of the improbability. For you to believe she's a 9.9 after years of your participation in the fe7 tier lists, we are talking 1 * 10-20 or something on that order. Now, if we only discount posts that are 99.999999999999999999% likely to be trolling, I don't think we have to worry too much about the slippery slope. Slippery slope arguments are often lame, anyway, given how in many of these cases the coefficient of friction on said slopes is usually really really large. ilu Narga. That was perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I'm really tempted to hand off vote counting to someone else this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I'm really tempted to hand off vote counting to someone else this time The real problem is which votes get discounted? And again, I hope this doesn't happen again. I could've sworn for a second that we wound up back in 2003 or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arvilino Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Currently if you do a trimmed mean(for 10%) of the votes, removing the 3 highest and 3 lowest which are 3 9.9's and 3 zeroes. You'll get a more representative score, plus it's a bit fairer than discounting one type of vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Currently if you do a trimmed mean(for 10%) of the votes, removing the 3 highest and 3 lowest which are 3 9.9's and 3 zeroes. You'll get a more representative score, plus it's a bit fairer than discounting one type of vote. That sounds good. However, I DID see a 10 somewhere, though said 10 was likely trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Goddamn it. I love Nino. I really do. So much that I purposely leave an endgame slot open for her when I do casual runs. Not to mention her kids are awesome. BUT. She has a horrid jointime. Horrible stats. Weighed down by EVERYTHING and the Body Ring competition is way too great (Pegasus Sisters especially). When trained Nino can easily obliterate everything and the lolafa'sdrops have her name on them. But, in all actuality, that's it. She lacks everything else. However, she can't be worse than Wil or Wallace. 3.75/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 can i change my 0/10 to a 1/10 since she does recruit jaffar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Oi, Refa. Some people might not be interested in cancelling out 9.9s, but just want to give her a 0 and not sure if 0s are allowed. As I said earlier, 0s are allowed due to precedence in the Wallace topic, and I only bring up negatives to 0 and >10 to 10. And a lower score is still lower if the variation changes. Even lowering the average by ~0.03 is still lower. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying there are a few people in particular are lowering their score by 1 if Nino gets a 9.9, completely ignoring the fact that the 0 & the 9.9 are better than just a 1. They're kind of missing the point there. And man please at least bold that x^0. It's good that I know these simple math expressions to know that's a 1, but it ain't making me counting votes any easier, especially in the middle of a sentence. Sorry about that, I'll bold it right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) Well, 1 and 9.9 is still higher than 0 and 9.9, even if it's only by a .5 margin. My experiences of people changing their votes in the past whether because of a change of mind, or a typo, has 1 point average to ~.03. Which, admittedly isn't much at all, but it's something. Currently if you do a trimmed mean(for 10%) of the votes, removing the 3 highest and 3 lowest which are 3 9.9's and 3 zeroes. You'll get a more representative score, plus it's a bit fairer than discounting one type of vote. That would be fair, actually, except I'll have to do those for all 36 previous ones as well to have an consistent way of calculation, and I'm kinda lazy :P If you guys think that would be more fair, I'll do it for this and the 36 other ones too. Vote on it gogogo Edited January 26, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Leave it. Omit the ones you don't think have the right amount of justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 That would be fair, actually, except I'll have to do those for all 36 previous ones as well to have an consistent way of calculation, and I'm kinda lazy :P If you guys think that would be more fair, I'll do it for this and the 36 other ones too. Vote on it gogogo Ehhh, I say you can keep calculating as you do; just omit the votes that don't have adequate justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Naut Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 On NM, a cool character. On HM... yeah, unless you need an Exp. sink, you're better off with the veterans. 2/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Vote amended, because not everyone plays LTC, and because I seem to be good at having enemies survive EP by the skin of their teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aran613 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 When will we rate Merlinus? I thought this was in order, too. If we were to rate him... "Has horrible bases except for that extremely useful 25 con." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 (edited) I'm pretty sure we aren't gonna rate him. Edited January 26, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esaka Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 1/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMikey Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 1.5/10 There's nothing new I can say that others haven't already. At least she's a scapegoat, and on ranked good for EXP. If only she came earlier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frat_tastic Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Don't bother with trimming the top and bottom 3 votes, just leave them all as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geriba Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Don't bother with trimming the top and bottom 3 votes, just leave them all as is. I agree with this. And Narga, I think your 99.999999999999% figure was far too high. I'd frankly put it at 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 1/10 Turns out that even at 20/1, she's worse than base level Pent. Rofl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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