Refa Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sigurd is the single best unit in his half of the game, period. He has almost no flaws. 10/10. (fuck can i give this guy more?) (taken from the rules) - Personality / Appearance may be taken into account, but only +/- 1 point at the most. Abuse the power! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Anouleth, I jusr reread your post. Sigurd doesn't have the weapon ranks to weild a Silver Lance. Oh, okay. Also, about the Silver Sword, unless you're whoring it around, I don't see it reaching 50 kills in Gen 1 from what I said earlier. I'm not assuming draft circumstances, I'm assuming everyone gets used, even scrubs like Ardan and Tiltyu. So Sigurd isn't going to be killing hoards of enemies by himself, the others are going to get kills too. Sigurd doesn't have to kill hordes of enemies, but the fact that he can should obviously signify that he's a good character. If you aren't using Sigurd to his full potential, that doesn't mean he doesn't have that potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 How the fuck are you going to be able to use everyone without taking 5 years to complete first gen? That's like me having a constantly rotating party in FE7, there's no point unless I'm going ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (taken from the rules) - Personality / Appearance may be taken into account, but only +/- 1 point at the most. Abuse the power! Well since there's no precedent in this game made by rounding Marcus's 11s down to 10s, BRING THE ELEVENS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Something Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Sigurd fails. At sucking. A Lord character that kills everything? He's the second best lord in the series. Guess who #1 is. Edited February 2, 2012 by Crashman_Alpha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban of Sycorax Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 Are we assuming separation by generation? That is, if I think about how I rate Sigurd, I don't dock him points because "he's not as good as Levin!Arthur," right? The only character who should be rated based on both generations is Fin, and he has enough going for him (including the unique availability itself) that it can be relatively easily factored as probably mostly a positive. Granted, I'd still rate Sigurd better than Levin!Arthur I think even if I were comparing the two, but since Gen 1 units literally cannot exist after Chapter 5 and Gen 2 units cannot exist before Chapter 6, I figured we'd just rate everyone in their context. Well, obviously we're going to take generation separation into account. It's really the only way. Also, I'm wondering how to rank the children characters. Should it be by father, or overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renall Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Well, obviously we're going to take generation separation into account. It's really the only way. Also, I'm wondering how to rank the children characters. Should it be by father, or overall? By father + the replacements would be nightmarish and take forever, and some kids are so samey/sucky there's no point quibbling over daddy. I say, rate the character by its full potential. That means we can rate Levin!Arthur and Levin!Sety when discussing Arthur or Sety as something in their favor. I'd be hesitant to say "ignore opportunity costs for different fathers" because I guess that is part of what makes a unit good or not and people will make the comparison anyway when Corple comes up (I expect little benefit to the fact that he can use Holsety, since people will argue "Arthur or Sety should have that" whether it's fair or not). Ideally, I'd just say we rate the kid based on all potential fathers. So Fee gets to pinpoint her daddy-derived utility with Noish's combat benefits, Claude's staff rank, and "being Levin!Sety's sister." Likewise, we don't have to penalize Tinny by saying she won't have any dad but Levin (if you consider that a penalty, anyway, which can at least be argued since she gets neither Holsety nor Pursuit that way). EDIT: Also, we should rate replacements as if they are their own character and stress they should not be penalized "because you have to give up the children characters." Most of the replacements will rank under the children naturally because they're simply not as good. There may be a case for Laylea or Sharlow to go above Leen or Corple... but that's sort of an individual opinion thing. Either way, Laylea should be considered for her own stats and the fact that she can be an extra Charisma which Leen can't ever do, and be rated accordingly; she should not be rated "+8 for Dancer, +4 for Charisma, -6 for not letting Leen exist, 6/10." The rule should probably be something like "When rating replacements, assume you're forced to kill off the equivalent mother." Edited February 2, 2012 by Renall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 We could do it based on their general performance, and mention likely pairings. It'd be fine to mention Levin/Claude/Noish!Fee's performance, but talking about her when Ardan's her papa isn't really helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I can't imagine getting through Gen 1 without hitting 50 kills on the Silver Sword. Are you guys having him use other weapons or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darros Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) How the fuck are you going to be able to use everyone without taking 5 years to complete first gen? That's like me having a constantly rotating party in FE7, there's no point unless I'm going ranked. It's very possible. 5 move isn't as terrible as people say (sure, it's still bad, but people don't harp on Aideen and Claude for it, only Arden and Tiltyu from what I see) and ranks kind of do exist in FE4. I can't imagine getting through Gen 1 without hitting 50 kills on the Silver Sword. Are you guys having him use other weapons or something? Javelins are nice. Tyrfing is nice. Hero Sword is nice. Apparantly Light Sword is too even though I think it has better people with existant magic to go to. Arthur with Holsety may be potent, but his movement is low for the first couple of chapters, as he'll be promoting around chapter 9 outside of a draft. This limits his usefulness, but he's still pretty good. Just not Sigurd good. In Chapter 6 Arthur can save you a ton of headache by going straight down south over the mountain. Edited February 2, 2012 by Knuckles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Arthur can't seize. :J Sigurd kills the boss and seizes on the same turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) In Chapter 6 Arthur can save you a ton of headache by going straight down south over the mountain. In Chapter 6 Celice can continue GOING UP and just blick that whole squadron with the Light Sword, facing almost no noticeable hit. :P EDIT: 'but integrity we don't all just spam celice' In Chapter 6 Julia can get Resire and ... though the miniboss with the hero axe makes it a little dicier than just CELICE GO UP so she might even have to use a forest or osmethne Edited February 2, 2012 by Integrity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riariadne Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Darros, by giving Sigurd a 9/10, you're implying that there are units around in Gen 1 that are better than Sigurd. Stop kidding yourself. 10/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) 10.5 out of 10. I'm serious. oh yeah integ the forests dont save yuria from the mighty hero axe Edited February 2, 2012 by Soul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I can't imagine getting through Gen 1 without hitting 50 kills on the Silver Sword. Are you guys having him use other weapons or something? By start of Chapter 3 Sigurd had 13 kills on the Silver Sword, and 9 kills on the Javelin. He ends up deciding to try to use the Hero Sword from here on out to get kills, IIRC. Noish had 20 kills on a Steel Sword and 1 on an Iron Lance. Alec took Sigurd's pawned Steel, which now has 27 kills, also 3 kills on an Iron Lance. Cuan has 7 kills on a Javelin, 11 on the Silver Lance 7 on the Iron lance he got from Finn. Finn has 7 on the Steel Lance he got from Cuan and 1 on the Hero Lance. Lex has 6 kills on the Iron Axe. Dierdre has 10 kills on Aura. Ethlin has 5 kills on an Iron Blade, and 3 on the Light Sword. Ardan has 9 on an Iron Sword. Azel has 2 kills on Thunder. Midir has 11 kills on an Iron Bow, 3 on the Killer Bow. Holyn has 4 kills on an Iron Blade. Ayra has 7 kills on a Steel Blade. Jamka has 3 kills on a Steel Bow. Dew has 9 kills on an Iron Sword, and 1 on a Slim Sword. Levin has 6 kills on Elwind. The Iron Sword that Leen got from somewhere has 4 kills, her Slim Sword has 1 (pretty sure they were shuffled around, because I only remember her ever killing Pizarl for the Leg Ring, and that hasn't happened yet). Lachesis has 1 kill on the Prayer Sword. Beowulf has 8 kills on a Steel Sword. The Fire in the Pawn shop has 10 kills on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narga_Rocks Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) By start of Chapter 3 Sigurd had 13 kills on the Silver Sword, and 9 kills on the Javelin. He ends up deciding to try to use the Hero Sword from here on out to get kills, IIRC. Noish had 20 kills on a Steel Sword and 1 on an Iron Lance. Alec took Sigurd's pawned Steel, which now has 27 kills, also 3 kills on an Iron Lance. Cuan has 7 kills on a Javelin, 11 on the Silver Lance 7 on the Iron lance he got from Finn. Finn has 7 on the Steel Lance he got from Cuan and 1 on the Hero Lance. Lex has 6 kills on the Iron Axe. Dierdre has 10 kills on Aura. Ethlin has 5 kills on an Iron Blade, and 3 on the Light Sword. Ardan has 9 on an Iron Sword. Azel has 2 kills on Thunder. Midir has 11 kills on an Iron Bow, 3 on the Killer Bow. Holyn has 4 kills on an Iron Blade. Ayra has 7 kills on a Steel Blade. Jamka has 3 kills on a Steel Bow. Dew has 9 kills on an Iron Sword, and 1 on a Slim Sword. Levin has 6 kills on Elwind. The Iron Sword that Leen got from somewhere has 4 kills, her Slim Sword has 1 (pretty sure they were shuffled around, because I only remember her ever killing Pizarl for the Leg Ring, and that hasn't happened yet). Lachesis has 1 kill on the Prayer Sword. Beowulf has 8 kills on a Steel Sword. The Fire in the Pawn shop has 10 kills on it. Let me guess, you are ranking? Oh, and 10/10 because Mekkah says he's #1 of all time. Edited February 2, 2012 by Narga_Rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcerzak Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Let me guess, you are ranking? Well, if you wanted kill counts from the playthrough where I didn't know Alvis gave Sigurd a Silver Sword and thus never he had it, I could have dug those out, but... Yeah, my only other PT was the ranked one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Purple_Knight Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 10/10 mounted , with fantastic bases and growths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Starwind Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'll give him 10/10 too. I can't think of a single part where he might be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 11/10. But I dun like him as a character. So 10/10 for pure personal bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.M. Gei Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 He's fucking Sigurd. Nothing else to say. 10/10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Purple_Knight Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 I'll give him 10/10 too. I can't think of a single part where he might be bad. He can get speed screwed .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 He can get speed screwed .. His base AS with a Silver Sword is 9. That's enough in most circumstances already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Best unit of all time ever. 10/10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 11/10. But I dun like him as a character. So 10/10 for pure personal bias. hahaha you're so slick isaac ily Regarding the Sigurd Sword (because I don't want to be warned for spam), I frequently have Sigurd transfer to the Hero Sword in C3 to begin racking up kills for Celice. Even in a draft, where Sigurd is pulling more than his weight, the Sigurd Sword might not even be at 50 kills by the time the handoff occurs. It's quite close to possible, especially if you're actually using the whole team (/trying to level the Len* Three before they pwoof) for the sword to whiff 50 kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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