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We've got like... 4 years of evidence to back up those claims. The man hasn't helped your country financially whatsoever. He's sunk it into even more debt (speaking of which, I wonder when China decides that they want their money back since this was a loan and not a present).

I should point out that bonds and financial markets don't work that way. Government bonds have a fixed maturity, usually around 10 or 20 years, so it's not like China could decide they want their 1 trillion back and the US would have to pay them tomorrow. They'd have to pay over the course of the next ten years. And the US government loans it's money from many sources, both domestic and foreign. China only makes up a tenth of it.

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you people are ignoring the REAL question

will Hillary Clinton be able to beat Chris Christie in 2016?

Meh, I'm hoping Ron Paul manages to get into the ballots in the next four years as far as the Republicans are concerned. I'm also hoping by then, Congress gets back to what it's supposed to be doing, instead of going nowhere/trying to pass unconstitutional bills just because the people in it are too busy buttting heads.

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Life, you've given a lot of reasons for why Romney would have been a better President for Israel. Regardless of whether or not this is true, why should America have voted for the candidate that is better for Israel? For Americans, why should that have been a deciding factor as to why they voted for Romney or Obama?

Note: I'm a third party who is affected much less by the election than Americans or Israelis. I'm asking this because I'm interested.

I'm more ranting at the Jews that supported Obama (my aunt included) but it's becoming a general hate thing. I'll cool off tomorrow.

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In 232 years America had accumulated 10.5 trillion dollars of debt. In the last 4 years under Obama, we've added 5.5 trillion to put it over 16 trillion dollars of debt. There are idiots who want 4 more years of that?

Obama hasnt done a single thing he promised 4 years ago. One of his promises was that he would cut the deficite in half, ooops, he INCREASED it by half, haha, thats close right? No. He has failed miserably.

You have been debunked.

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In 232 years America had accumulated 10.5 trillion dollars of debt. In the last 4 years under Obama, we've added 5.5 trillion to put it over 16 trillion dollars of debt. There are idiots who want 4 more years of that?

Obama hasnt done a single thing he promised 4 years ago. One of his promises was that he would cut the deficite in half, ooops, he INCREASED it by half, haha, thats close right? No. He has failed miserably.

Life is right, not only is America fucked for the next 4 years; the whole world is.

But...but...that's not completely true! http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/09/2012930123432167324.html

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It depends on how many people depend on that failing business. Yeah, you don't want to encourage businesses to fail, but when huge companies like GM start going bankrupt, people who did their job as they were told as well as they possibly could have get laid off, and that's not exactly fair.

the world isn't fair deal with it

note i'm not taking any sides here

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[08:41:51] * BRShooter (BRShooter@is707252.reshsg.uci.edu) has joined #serenes_forest

[08:42:11] <Big_Boss> BRShooter, you can be awoken in peace!

[08:42:29] <BRShooter> man i still had trouble sleeping last night

[08:42:38] <BRShooter> i was like a giddy little kid before christmas!

[08:42:44] <Big_Boss> lol

[08:43:54] <BRShooter> man i'm posting all of life's posts in the Obama thread to the schadenfreude thread in SA

[08:58:24] <BRShooter> man goddammit SA's server is still really shaky after all the romney toxxes got banned

[08:58:37] <Big_Boss> lmao

[08:59:08] <BRShooter> http://imgur.com/a/2OFTt

[08:59:11] <BRShooter> anyway

[08:59:15] <BRShooter> posted for posterity

[08:59:27] <BRShooter> in the SA schadenfreude (right wing tears) thread

[09:14:07] <BRShooter> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3515797&perpage=40&pagenumber=24#post409350327

[09:14:18] <BRShooter> yay

[09:14:25] <Big_Boss> Sorry, you must be a registered forums member to view this page.

[09:14:27] <Big_Boss> :(

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> Thank you for this, this guy is fucking hilarious.

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> "If the economy sinks, it hits the rich harder than the poor since they have more to lose." :allears:

[09:29:46] <BRShooter> "I don't understand social issues or economics, but I do know black people are to blame!"

[09:30:21] <BRShooter> i like how life and bal are going on about economics

[09:30:32] <BRShooter> because they sound like they have all the economic understanding of a 15-year old who read Atlas Shrugged

[10:50:07] <BRShooter> oh oh new response to the album compilation of life's posts in the Obama thread

[10:50:13] <BRShooter> It would be nice if the Democratic party would abide by their voter's wishes and just say fuck off completely to Israel. No more aid in funding or weapons, no more sticking up for them or getting them out of trouble with UN vetos. Let them handle their own problems.

[10:50:14] <BRShooter> That guy would probably have a heart attack. :allears:

[10:51:36] <BRShooter> SA is having a field day with people like life

[10:51:44] <BRShooter> we're all bathing in the tea party/republican tears

[10:52:22] <ronery_printer> well i mean doesnt life live in israel

[10:52:46] <BRShooter> he thinks israel's doomed and that america is doomed and he's having a complete meltdown because obama won

[10:52:47] <BRShooter> it's glorious

[10:57:25] <BRShooter> sweet, sweet teapublican/republican nutjob tears

[11:17:36] <BRShooter> oh my god rush sounds like he's higher than Mount Everest right now

[11:18:06] <BRShooter> please drop an n-bomb for me today rush

[11:18:07] <BRShooter> please

[11:18:08] <BRShooter> for me

[11:18:11] <BRShooter> for mankind

[11:18:39] <BRShooter> "what creates prosperity"

[11:18:50] <BRShooter> TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VIEW OF RICH PEOPLE GETTING RICHER

[11:19:33] <BRShooter> "This is where we are today. We're outnumbered."

[11:19:34] <BRShooter> Aaaaaaaand there's the victimization complex

[11:19:47] <BRShooter> http://i.imgur.com/e6tPO.png

[11:19:54] <BRShooter> donald trump tears

[11:19:57] <BRShooter> mmmmmmmm

[11:22:12] <BRShooter> man Trump is capitalism at its core

[11:22:14] <BRShooter> tons of money

[11:22:19] <BRShooter> but never actually succeeds

[11:22:21] <BRShooter> but because he has tons of money

[11:22:24] <BRShooter> he's the best and WHOOPS

[11:31:30] <BRShooter> The National Suicide Prevention Hotline's number is 1-800-273-8255, or you can try to find a local alternative. Remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a four-year term.

[11:43:47] <BRShooter> man Life's posts in the Obama thread read like

[11:43:49] <BRShooter> verbal diarrhea

[11:43:55] <BRShooter> of Fox News/Drudge Report talking points

[11:44:07] <BRShooter> and shit like "FWD:FWD:FWD:Whites are the most oppressed group in America now"

[11:47:54] <BRShooter> man i'm tempted to respond to bryan's post in the thread syaing

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> you know Obama actually cut taxes for the middle class and raised them on the very top tax brackets so i'm sure you're not paying more in taxes now

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> unless you ARE in those higher tax brackets, in which case i'm sure you can live without a 15th Mercedes or a complete collection of whatever animes you like

[11:53:50] <BRShooter> lmfao Little Al is a Ron Paul supporter

[12:02:46] <BRShooter> man Ron Paul supporters seem to be either a) constitution fetishist libertarians (see: the guys who cheered at Ron Paul saying LET HIM DIE) or b) REALLY badly misinformed lefties who don't know anything about him besides his stances on weed and war

[12:03:42] <Kay> hey what's wrong with being a constitution fetishist libertarian

[12:04:53] <BRShooter> i thought "constitution fetishist, libertarian sociopath" was redundant

[12:04:54] <BRShooter> but whatever

[12:10:05] <BRShooter> gooooooooood

[12:10:31] <BRShooter> man among the few republicans i have on facebook

[12:10:35] <BRShooter> i'm not seeing nearly enough tears

[12:10:37] <BRShooter> :(

[12:10:41] <BRShooter> well there is this

[12:10:59] <BRShooter> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4549270417151&set=a.1089232798373.15551.1453052744&type=1

[12:11:10] <BRShooter> ABLOOBLOOBLOO OBAMA DIDN'T WIN THE REAL AMERICA HIS ELECTION IS INVALID

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[08:41:51] * BRShooter (BRShooter@is707252.reshsg.uci.edu) has joined #serenes_forest

[08:42:11] <Big_Boss> BRShooter, you can be awoken in peace!

[08:42:29] <BRShooter> man i still had trouble sleeping last night

[08:42:38] <BRShooter> i was like a giddy little kid before christmas!

[08:42:44] <Big_Boss> lol

[08:43:54] <BRShooter> man i'm posting all of life's posts in the Obama thread to the schadenfreude thread in SA

[08:58:24] <BRShooter> man goddammit SA's server is still really shaky after all the romney toxxes got banned

[08:58:37] <Big_Boss> lmao

[08:59:08] <BRShooter> http://imgur.com/a/2OFTt

[08:59:11] <BRShooter> anyway

[08:59:15] <BRShooter> posted for posterity

[08:59:27] <BRShooter> in the SA schadenfreude (right wing tears) thread

[09:14:07] <BRShooter> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3515797&perpage=40&pagenumber=24#post409350327

[09:14:18] <BRShooter> yay

[09:14:25] <Big_Boss> Sorry, you must be a registered forums member to view this page.

[09:14:27] <Big_Boss> :(

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> Thank you for this, this guy is fucking hilarious.

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> "If the economy sinks, it hits the rich harder than the poor since they have more to lose." :allears:

[09:29:46] <BRShooter> "I don't understand social issues or economics, but I do know black people are to blame!"

[09:30:21] <BRShooter> i like how life and bal are going on about economics

[09:30:32] <BRShooter> because they sound like they have all the economic understanding of a 15-year old who read Atlas Shrugged

[10:50:07] <BRShooter> oh oh new response to the album compilation of life's posts in the Obama thread

[10:50:13] <BRShooter> It would be nice if the Democratic party would abide by their voter's wishes and just say fuck off completely to Israel. No more aid in funding or weapons, no more sticking up for them or getting them out of trouble with UN vetos. Let them handle their own problems.

[10:50:14] <BRShooter> That guy would probably have a heart attack. :allears:

[10:51:36] <BRShooter> SA is having a field day with people like life

[10:51:44] <BRShooter> we're all bathing in the tea party/republican tears

[10:52:22] <ronery_printer> well i mean doesnt life live in israel

[10:52:46] <BRShooter> he thinks israel's doomed and that america is doomed and he's having a complete meltdown because obama won

[10:52:47] <BRShooter> it's glorious

[10:57:25] <BRShooter> sweet, sweet teapublican/republican nutjob tears

[11:17:36] <BRShooter> oh my god rush sounds like he's higher than Mount Everest right now

[11:18:06] <BRShooter> please drop an n-bomb for me today rush

[11:18:07] <BRShooter> please

[11:18:08] <BRShooter> for me

[11:18:11] <BRShooter> for mankind

[11:18:39] <BRShooter> "what creates prosperity"

[11:18:50] <BRShooter> TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VIEW OF RICH PEOPLE GETTING RICHER

[11:19:33] <BRShooter> "This is where we are today. We're outnumbered."

[11:19:34] <BRShooter> Aaaaaaaand there's the victimization complex

[11:19:47] <BRShooter> http://i.imgur.com/e6tPO.png

[11:19:54] <BRShooter> donald trump tears

[11:19:57] <BRShooter> mmmmmmmm

[11:22:12] <BRShooter> man Trump is capitalism at its core

[11:22:14] <BRShooter> tons of money

[11:22:19] <BRShooter> but never actually succeeds

[11:22:21] <BRShooter> but because he has tons of money

[11:22:24] <BRShooter> he's the best and WHOOPS

[11:31:30] <BRShooter> The National Suicide Prevention Hotline's number is 1-800-273-8255, or you can try to find a local alternative. Remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a four-year term.

[11:43:47] <BRShooter> man Life's posts in the Obama thread read like

[11:43:49] <BRShooter> verbal diarrhea

[11:43:55] <BRShooter> of Fox News/Drudge Report talking points

[11:44:07] <BRShooter> and shit like "FWD:FWD:FWD:Whites are the most oppressed group in America now"

[11:47:54] <BRShooter> man i'm tempted to respond to bryan's post in the thread syaing

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> you know Obama actually cut taxes for the middle class and raised them on the very top tax brackets so i'm sure you're not paying more in taxes now

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> unless you ARE in those higher tax brackets, in which case i'm sure you can live without a 15th Mercedes or a complete collection of whatever animes you like

[11:53:50] <BRShooter> lmfao Little Al is a Ron Paul supporter

[12:02:46] <BRShooter> man Ron Paul supporters seem to be either a) constitution fetishist libertarians (see: the guys who cheered at Ron Paul saying LET HIM DIE) or b) REALLY badly misinformed lefties who don't know anything about him besides his stances on weed and war

[12:03:42] <Kay> hey what's wrong with being a constitution fetishist libertarian

[12:04:53] <BRShooter> i thought "constitution fetishist, libertarian sociopath" was redundant

[12:04:54] <BRShooter> but whatever

[12:10:05] <BRShooter> gooooooooood

[12:10:31] <BRShooter> man among the few republicans i have on facebook

[12:10:35] <BRShooter> i'm not seeing nearly enough tears

[12:10:37] <BRShooter> :(

[12:10:41] <BRShooter> well there is this

[12:10:59] <BRShooter> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4549270417151&set=a.1089232798373.15551.1453052744&type=1

[12:11:10] <BRShooter> ABLOOBLOOBLOO OBAMA DIDN'T WIN THE REAL AMERICA HIS ELECTION IS INVALID

More like ITT people are retarded.

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[08:41:51] * BRShooter (BRShooter@is707252.reshsg.uci.edu) has joined #serenes_forest

[08:42:11] <Big_Boss> BRShooter, you can be awoken in peace!

[08:42:29] <BRShooter> man i still had trouble sleeping last night

[08:42:38] <BRShooter> i was like a giddy little kid before christmas!

[08:42:44] <Big_Boss> lol

[08:43:54] <BRShooter> man i'm posting all of life's posts in the Obama thread to the schadenfreude thread in SA

[08:58:24] <BRShooter> man goddammit SA's server is still really shaky after all the romney toxxes got banned

[08:58:37] <Big_Boss> lmao

[08:59:08] <BRShooter> http://imgur.com/a/2OFTt

[08:59:11] <BRShooter> anyway

[08:59:15] <BRShooter> posted for posterity

[08:59:27] <BRShooter> in the SA schadenfreude (right wing tears) thread

[09:14:07] <BRShooter> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3515797&perpage=40&pagenumber=24#post409350327

[09:14:18] <BRShooter> yay

[09:14:25] <Big_Boss> Sorry, you must be a registered forums member to view this page.

[09:14:27] <Big_Boss> :(

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> Thank you for this, this guy is fucking hilarious.

[09:14:40] <BRShooter> "If the economy sinks, it hits the rich harder than the poor since they have more to lose." :allears:

[09:29:46] <BRShooter> "I don't understand social issues or economics, but I do know black people are to blame!"

[09:30:21] <BRShooter> i like how life and bal are going on about economics

[09:30:32] <BRShooter> because they sound like they have all the economic understanding of a 15-year old who read Atlas Shrugged

[10:50:07] <BRShooter> oh oh new response to the album compilation of life's posts in the Obama thread

[10:50:13] <BRShooter> It would be nice if the Democratic party would abide by their voter's wishes and just say fuck off completely to Israel. No more aid in funding or weapons, no more sticking up for them or getting them out of trouble with UN vetos. Let them handle their own problems.

[10:50:14] <BRShooter> That guy would probably have a heart attack. :allears:

[10:51:36] <BRShooter> SA is having a field day with people like life

[10:51:44] <BRShooter> we're all bathing in the tea party/republican tears

[10:52:22] <ronery_printer> well i mean doesnt life live in israel

[10:52:46] <BRShooter> he thinks israel's doomed and that america is doomed and he's having a complete meltdown because obama won

[10:52:47] <BRShooter> it's glorious

[10:57:25] <BRShooter> sweet, sweet teapublican/republican nutjob tears

[11:17:36] <BRShooter> oh my god rush sounds like he's higher than Mount Everest right now

[11:18:06] <BRShooter> please drop an n-bomb for me today rush

[11:18:07] <BRShooter> please

[11:18:08] <BRShooter> for me

[11:18:11] <BRShooter> for mankind

[11:18:39] <BRShooter> "what creates prosperity"

[11:18:50] <BRShooter> TRADITIONAL AMERICAN VIEW OF RICH PEOPLE GETTING RICHER

[11:19:33] <BRShooter> "This is where we are today. We're outnumbered."

[11:19:34] <BRShooter> Aaaaaaaand there's the victimization complex

[11:19:47] <BRShooter> http://i.imgur.com/e6tPO.png

[11:19:54] <BRShooter> donald trump tears

[11:19:57] <BRShooter> mmmmmmmm

[11:22:12] <BRShooter> man Trump is capitalism at its core

[11:22:14] <BRShooter> tons of money

[11:22:19] <BRShooter> but never actually succeeds

[11:22:21] <BRShooter> but because he has tons of money

[11:22:24] <BRShooter> he's the best and WHOOPS

[11:31:30] <BRShooter> The National Suicide Prevention Hotline's number is 1-800-273-8255, or you can try to find a local alternative. Remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a four-year term.

[11:43:47] <BRShooter> man Life's posts in the Obama thread read like

[11:43:49] <BRShooter> verbal diarrhea

[11:43:55] <BRShooter> of Fox News/Drudge Report talking points

[11:44:07] <BRShooter> and shit like "FWD:FWD:FWD:Whites are the most oppressed group in America now"

[11:47:54] <BRShooter> man i'm tempted to respond to bryan's post in the thread syaing

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> you know Obama actually cut taxes for the middle class and raised them on the very top tax brackets so i'm sure you're not paying more in taxes now

[11:47:59] <BRShooter> unless you ARE in those higher tax brackets, in which case i'm sure you can live without a 15th Mercedes or a complete collection of whatever animes you like

[11:53:50] <BRShooter> lmfao Little Al is a Ron Paul supporter

[12:02:46] <BRShooter> man Ron Paul supporters seem to be either a) constitution fetishist libertarians (see: the guys who cheered at Ron Paul saying LET HIM DIE) or b) REALLY badly misinformed lefties who don't know anything about him besides his stances on weed and war

[12:03:42] <Kay> hey what's wrong with being a constitution fetishist libertarian

[12:04:53] <BRShooter> i thought "constitution fetishist, libertarian sociopath" was redundant

[12:04:54] <BRShooter> but whatever

[12:10:05] <BRShooter> gooooooooood

[12:10:31] <BRShooter> man among the few republicans i have on facebook

[12:10:35] <BRShooter> i'm not seeing nearly enough tears

[12:10:37] <BRShooter> :(

[12:10:41] <BRShooter> well there is this

[12:10:59] <BRShooter> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4549270417151&set=a.1089232798373.15551.1453052744&type=1

[12:11:10] <BRShooter> ABLOOBLOOBLOO OBAMA DIDN'T WIN THE REAL AMERICA HIS ELECTION IS INVALID

Wow... I mean, I'm happy that Obama won, but this is... yeah.

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Not taking sides is for pansies.

Sage confirmed for neutral, like Switzerland.

Anyway that log Bal posted is pretty appalling to read imo, not so much because its needlessly inflammatory and obnoxious but also because its intellectually dishonest. I don't really care about politics, but even I know that there's no good side or bad side. A black and white view is a shitty view held by shitty (or ignorant) people.

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