Vascela Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 So then who's the best second gen wife then? I know I'm planing a Lucina x maMu but I am curious For Apo, I'll vote for Aversa!Morgan or Lon'qu!Noire!Morgan. As far as partners specifically for MaMU (and completely disregarding Morgan), it would handily be Lucina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSilentChloey Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 For Apo, I'll vote for Aversa!Morgan or Lon'qu!Noire!Morgan. As far as partners specifically for MaMU (and completely disregarding Morgan), it would handily be Lucina. Aversa is not second gen I was asking about child units only Aversa is a spot/street pass character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byleth Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Need suggestion for male Robin playthrough on Lunatic classic and Apotheosis secret path... I'm doing +Mag/-Def avatar for him and here is the pairing I have in mind: Chrom x Sumia Ricken x Lissa Lon'qu x Maribelle Gaius x Tharja Stahl x Cordelia Henry x Cherche Libra x Olivia Gregor x Miriel Vaike x Nowi Donnel x Sully Frederick/Kellam/Virion x Panne -- I'm kinda into Fred!Yarne since he gives him Luna,DG+ and Lance/Swordbreaker though he doesn't give any selfhealing skills like Kellam (Renewal) or Virion (Lifetaker). Robin (+Mag/-Def) x Lucina Laurent x MorganF Owain x Nah Yarne x Kjelle Gerome x Noire Inigo x Severa Brady x Cynthia I'm also not too sure with the 2nd gen pairing so any suggestion will be appreciated. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Frederick/Kellam/Virion x Panne -- I'm kinda into Fred!Yarne since he gives him Luna,DG+ and Lance/Swordbreaker though he doesn't give any selfhealing skills like Kellam (Renewal) or Virion (Lifetaker). Forget procs (do nothing in the back) and self-healing skills (do nothing in the back, and you should use staffbots for healing anyway), all Yarne truly wants is a +Hit skill. Virion is so much better than those other two it's not even funny. For the main game you should just grab Lucina, Cynthia, Laurent and Morgan (and maybe Nah if you want to be greedy). Get the rest caught up with DLC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byleth Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Forget procs (do nothing in the back) and self-healing skills (do nothing in the back, and you should use staffbots for healing anyway), all Yarne truly wants is a +Hit skill. Virion is so much better than those other two it's not even funny. For the main game you should just grab Lucina, Cynthia, Laurent and Morgan (and maybe Nah if you want to be greedy). Get the rest caught up with DLC. I see... so maybe finally I will use Virion in my game xD What if I switch: Virion x Maribelle Lon'qu x Severa Stahl x Panne and the kids: Owain x Cynthia Brady x Nah Edited October 6, 2015 by FE Newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I done Virion!Brady on my non-Sumia!Lucina walkthroughs only because my choices for Libra and Henry were already taken... But for the most part, Virion gives Brady speed so i guess hes okay at best, combining with his natural Luna inheritance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I see... so maybe finally I will use Virion in my game xD What if I switch: Virion x Maribelle Lon'qu x Severa Stahl x Panne and the kids: Owain x Cynthia Brady x Nah Severa will be a lot better, Yarne and Brady will be pretty much the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunselpower Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 So, is lon'qu severa and virion Brady the preferred arrangement? Another longer winded question, what is the analysis of these pairs? Attempting a no holds barred run first, then if possible some more challenging runs. Want to know how these will work for the first, and then if they'll still hold up for more challenging runs. I've asked about them before, but yoshi was gone, and I'd like to get his take now that he's back. Chrom x sumia Frederick x Olivia Gaius x sully Virion x maribelle Lon'qu x cordelia Henry x cherche Stahl x Panne Vaike x tharja Donnel x nowi Mamu +def/-mag x lucina (gmaster and df?) Gregor x miriel Ricken x lissa I could use some advice on kid pairs, who helps who and such. Baseball season happened and I'm trying to catch up to where I was. As always, thanks guys, you guys on here are awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 text Lissa huh? Honestly, I've always been a big fan of her too. I thought she was precious and always my second go to girl. +Speed for a good mod or would there be a better one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) So, is lon'qu severa and virion Brady the preferred arrangement? Another longer winded question, what is the analysis of these pairs? Attempting a no holds barred run first, then if possible some more challenging runs. Want to know how these will work for the first, and then if they'll still hold up for more challenging runs. I've asked about them before, but yoshi was gone, and I'd like to get his take now that he's back. Chrom x sumia Frederick x Olivia Gaius x sully Virion x maribelle Lon'qu x cordelia Henry x cherche Stahl x Panne Vaike x tharja Donnel x nowi Mamu +def/-mag x lucina (gmaster and df?) Gregor x miriel Ricken x lissa I could use some advice on kid pairs, who helps who and such. Baseball season happened and I'm trying to catch up to where I was. As always, thanks guys, you guys on here are awesome. Czar will probably give you the more helpful advice, but those all sound solid to me. People usually say Nah doesn't want a Galedad like Donnel as much as Kjelle and Noire do, but it should work fine. Vaike gives Nah some good alternative builds. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ What does Cherche want to pass down to Gerome? I'm thinking Deliverer right now. I could go through Valkyrie and pass DS+, since Gerome will be in the back seat, but is it really worth the trouble of putting Cherche into a magic class where she will do terrible for 15 levels? Edited October 6, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizziah Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Deliver if you're not grinding and are looking just to finish the campaign. Then it depends on daddy. Edited October 6, 2015 by GoldenMapleLeaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroblast Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) What does Cherche want to pass down to Gerome? I'm thinking Deliverer right now. I could go through Valkyrie and pass DS+, since Gerome will be in the back seat, but is it really worth the trouble of putting Cherche into a magic class where she will do terrible for 15 levels? In all honesty, I'd do it if you're going to do postgame. Gerome can wait if need be, and DS+ is, like you said, pretty good for him. Valkyrie is painful, but I think it's worth it. So, is lon'qu severa and virion Brady the preferred arrangement? Another longer winded question, what is the analysis of these pairs? Attempting a no holds barred run first, then if possible some more challenging runs. Want to know how these will work for the first, and then if they'll still hold up for more challenging runs. I've asked about them before, but yoshi was gone, and I'd like to get his take now that he's back. Chrom x sumia Frederick x Olivia Gaius x sully Virion x maribelle Lon'qu x cordelia Henry x cherche Stahl x Panne Vaike x tharja Donnel x nowi Mamu +def/-mag x lucina (gmaster and df?) Gregor x miriel Ricken x lissa I could use some advice on kid pairs, who helps who and such. Baseball season happened and I'm trying to catch up to where I was. As always, thanks guys, you guys on here are awesome. Generally, the three non-Galeforce girls - Kjelle, Nah, and Noire - form a sort of triangle with Gaius, Donnel, and Vaike. While most combinations of those kids and dads will work fine, most people do Donnel!Kjelle, Vaike!Nah, and Gaius!Noire. From what I've heard, Nah functions better without Galeforce than the other two, but they'll honestly all be fine whatever way you do it. Can't say I know much about Virion!Brady, but everything else looks solid. On that note, I've got Maribelle, Miriel, Libra, Fred, Virion, and Kellam unpaired as of right now. Which dads should I use? Edited October 6, 2015 by aeroblast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Optimal-wise, Donnel!Kjelle, Gaius!Noire, and Vaike!Nah are the most logical, though aesthetic-wise, I'm more comfortable doing Donnel x Nowi, Gaius x Noire, and Vaike x Sully. It's a compromise that doesn't hurt too badly, I hope. Deliver if you're not grinding and are looking just to finish the campaign.Then it depends on daddy. Gregor. Planning to pass Axefaire because I'm too lazy to reclass Gerome out of the Wyvern tree. In all honesty, I'd do it if you're going to do postgame. Gerome can wait if need be, and DS+ is, like you said, pretty good for him. Valkyrie is painful, but I think it's worth it. Alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 So, is lon'qu severa and virion Brady the preferred arrangement? They're pretty interchangeable and will be good at the same things. I prefer them the other way around because I just like Virion!Severa, but either way you're going to wind up with a 75 Spd Wyvern and a 75 Spd Sage. Chrom x sumia The best of the best Frederick x Olivia Probably the best use of Fred if you want to keep him on. Gaius x sully Top tier. Pair with a Berserker and be a Wyvern or Paladin for maximum performance. Virion x maribelle Pretty standard. Make sure to use a Dark Flier pairup. Lon'qu x cordelia Wyvern with Vengeance. Top tier. Henry x cherche Hex/Anathema Berserker. Goes best with Severa/Kjelle. Stahl x Panne Hit+20 Berserker. Goes good with Noire/Cynthia/Severa/Kjelle (if Severa, going for 100% DS Hero x Sniper is also a possibility). Vaike x tharja Non-GF Sniper. Uses LB/All+2/AT/Luna/Astra and a Berserker support. Donnel x nowi I'm not a fan of it, Nah will have GF and nothing else. She can generally make herself more useful as a soft support, though Libra and Kellam aren't very good for that. Mamu +def/-mag x lucina (gmaster and df?) Hope you mean +Mag/-Def. If so, good, otherwise not. Morgan really wants to be a Valkyrie with LB/GF/TF/Aether/Ignis and have a GF Sage support. Owain is best here. Gregor x miriel Hex/Anathema Berserker or Sage. Goes well with Cynthia/Noire/Severa/Kjelle, but remember that Hex won't work at range. Ricken x lissa Standard. Goes with an 8-Mov magical girl for best results. Lissa huh? Honestly, I've always been a big fan of her too. I thought she was precious and always my second go to girl. +Speed for a good mod or would there be a better one? Always use +Spd/-Def for Robin x Lissa. Morgan's ability to retain a +5 Spd mod (and get +3 Mag on the side) is a big part of what keeps this pair on the table. most people do Donnel!Kjelle, Vaike!Nah, and Gaius!Noire. Optimal-wise, Donnel!Kjelle, Gaius!Noire, and Vaike!Nah are the most logical Most people are also unaware of how much better Kjelle gets when upgrading from Donnel to Gaius. Noire has plenty of things she can do without Gaius, Kjelle can only get slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) So since I'm obviously shitty and the game won't let me lesbian marry Lissa I'm going to redo a MaMU run with a marriage that'll look something like: Chrom x Olivia (sorry, I got too attached to this pairing, though I admit I'd give it up if needed) MaMu x Lissa Cordelia x Lon'qu Due to... reasons... Gregor x Miriel Sumia x Henry Donnel x Sully (I know said above Kjelle can "upgrade" but I honestly prefer Donnel on her... aesthetically as shallow as that is, and I typically make her a Hero anyway) ... and the rest are open. Sumia is the one I'm most open to compromising with. Edited October 6, 2015 by Ebony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunselpower Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Czar will probably give you the more helpful advice, but those all sound solid to me. People usually say Nah doesn't want a Galedad like Donnel as much as Kjelle and Noire do, but it should work fine. Vaike gives Nah some good alternative builds. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ What does Cherche want to pass down to Gerome? I'm thinking Deliverer right now. I could go through Valkyrie and pass DS+, since Gerome will be in the back seat, but is it really worth the trouble of putting Cherche into a magic class where she will do terrible for 15 levels? I kinda figured that with Vaike going to Noire and the only remainders being Libra, Kellam, and Donnel, GF may be ok there. She probably wasn't going to get much use once the main story is over anyway. Just as an in game type of thing. Maybe Libra or Kellam would be a good alternative so she could be a support to someone. Thoughts czar? text Ok, that helps a LOT. And yes, I did mean +mag/-def. I was on mobile and didn't see that. I will play around with pairings based on what you said and come back with any more questions. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylveonzoroark Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 How are these pairings? Chrom x OliviaChrom!Inigo x FemMUStahl/Lon’qu x CordeliaVaike x SullyLibra/Lon’qu x LissaDonnel x NowiGaius x TharjaVirion x ChercheRicken x MaribelleHenry x SumiaGregor x PanneKellam? x Miriel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I kinda figured that with Vaike going to Noire and the only remainders being Libra, Kellam, and Donnel, GF may be ok there. She probably wasn't going to get much use once the main story is over anyway. Just as an in game type of thing. Maybe Libra or Kellam would be a good alternative so she could be a support to someone. Thoughts czar? Yeah, sacrificing GF is still sacrificing GF so if you're not getting anything out of it you might as well do it. A bad Nah with GF is still better than a bad Nah without GF. Chrom x Olivia OK. The kids aren't as foolproof as sibling Lucina/Cynthia though so make sure to put them somewhere useful. Chrom!Inigo x FemMU Depends on Asset/Flaw. If using +Spd/-Def then Hero x BK would work well. Stahl/Lon’qu x Cordelia Lon'qu is very good. Vaike x Sully Bleah. Kjelle takes not having GF worst out of her, Noire and Nah. Libra/Lon’qu x Lissa Libra is better, Owain wants either Luna or Vengeance. Donnel x Nowi See my post on the last page. Gaius x Tharja Situationally good. Works best in Sniper x Sage or BK x Berserker. Virion x Cherche Good if you have a pair that can take a +0 Spd support, but I'm not seeing many of those. Severa is your best bet, but then she won't be able to run Wyvern. Ricken x Maribelle OK. Henry x Sumia Also just OK. Might go well with Brady as a generic DF x Sage pair. Gregor x Panne Still just OK. Gregor doesn't give Yarne the +Hit he really wants, try Stahl instead. Kellam? x Miriel Meh, Kellam is a bad dad. If Gregor gets freed up, use him instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byleth Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) after some thought, I rearrange some of my planned pairing and just completed chapter 4 on Lunatic classic so here is the new pairing I have in mind: Chrom x Sumia Ricken x Lissa Virion x Maribelle --never done this before but with Virion's hair color Brady will be more CO0L I guess xD Donnel x Tharja --never done this before because I usually do Donnel!Kjelle and Gaius!Noire Lon'qu x Cordelia Stahl x Panne Henry x Cherche Libra/Frederick? x Olivia --I don't know which best for him...help me decide Gregor x Miriel Vaike x Nowi Gaius x Sully --same reason with Donnel x Tharja Robin (+Mag/-Def) x Lucina Owain x MorganF Laurent x Cynthia Gerome x Kjelle Yarne x Severa Inigo x Nah Brady x Noire so what do guys think with said pairing above? Edited October 7, 2015 by FE Newbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Actually I am curious, you seem to act like Sumia x Chrom is the pairing. Can I know the reasons why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byleth Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Actually I am curious, you seem to act like Sumia x Chrom is the pairing. Can I know the reasons why? I almost always do Chrom x Olivia in my other playthrough but at the end (Apotheosis) Olivia will always be a dancer... then I pair Sumia with Chrom though they only have A-support lol so for a little change I think I might do Chrom x Sumia this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Actually I am curious, you seem to act like Sumia x Chrom is the pairing. Can I know the reasons why? In the context of Apo only... The first bit comes with how much versatility the kids have: their +5 Spd mod, coupled with a Berserker support (or Hero/BK) is enough to hit 75 Spd as a Sniper or Paladin. It also gets Dark Flier there with a Dread Fighter or Grandmaster support. Cynthia also gets Aether, which is pretty much the best thing that could happen to her, damage-wise. Both Cynthia and Lucina also pair very well with Robin, and Morgan benefits greatly from the deal as well with a +Str/Skl/Mag asset (running Paladin/Sniper of her own, or Wyvern/Valkyrie). On top of that, thanks to Luna Sumia is Chrom's best wife for Apo combat by quite a margin (though since Olivia and Maribelle are already unsurvivable with Chrom behind them without a proc, that may not count for much). Finally, Sumia's limited pairings give Cynthia few other choices- if she could get, say, Virion as a dad, she'd be very happy and not as dependent on Chrom, but as-is she has to choose from either several super-high-demand dads (Robin, Gaius, Henry), the last of which doesn't even make her fast, or Fred, who is slow. Basically it gives Chrom his best wife (outside of Robin), gives Lucina as much Spd as she can use (she has no tangible benefit from Robin's +6 (unless she went Falco with a +0 support, but why would you do that)), gives Cynthia everything, creates two parents who can give Morgan everything (only Sumia, Cordelia, Lon'qu/Virion!Severa, Gaius!Kjelle and Lon'qu!Noire stack up), and has no drawbacks. Even though Inigo likes having Chrom as a dad, he doesn't like it as much as Cynthia does. The main situations where Chrom x Sumia get overruled tend to occur because male Robin likes Chrom having a son (for Morgan to marry) on limited deployment, but for some reason fairly few people play that way so it doesn't come up often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Thank you. So then it looks like Chrom x Sumia MaMu x Lissa Frederick x Olivia Lon'qu x Cordelia Henry x Cherche Gregor x Miriel And the rest... are honestly up for debate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) I always do Chrom x Sumia, though I find the idea of Swordfaire Lucina to be reaaaally tempting. Does Gerome not have any good fathers that give him DG+ to go along with DS+? Edited October 7, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I always do Chrom x Sumia, though I find the idea of Swordfaire Lucina to be reaaaally tempting. Does Gerome not have any good fathers that give him DG+ to go along with DS+? ... Stahl? And yeah Swordfaire Lucina I enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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