Sentacotus Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Personally, I do prefer using Mia especially on hard just for the pain in the ass it is to keep Edward alive. Two hits on the earlier chapters and he's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCProductions Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Whoa now, IS has been pulling that card since Gaiden. I know about the Shrines that revive characters in Gaiden, but are there plot mandatory revives in Gaiden. I'm only at chapter 3 right now so... Now that I think about it, Lewyn was revived in Geneolegy by Forseti, so everyone ignore my statement about Ninian earlier please. What is IS's deal with killing plot-important characters then reviving them anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightBow Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) I know about the Shrines that revive characters in Gaiden, but are there plot mandatory revives in Gaiden. I'm only at chapter 3 right now so... Now that I think about it, Lewyn was revived in Geneolegy by Forseti, so everyone ignore my statement about Ninian earlier please. What is IS's deal with killing plot-important characters then reviving them anyway? But in Levin's case, there was no confirmation that he died in the first place before he showed up again in the very next chapter. And the exact relationship between Sety and Levin was not confirmed either. For all we knew, Levin was never revived and Sety was merely controlling his body. Edit: Changed the tense used. Edited May 24, 2015 by BrightBow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardin Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I know about the Shrines that revive characters in Gaiden, but are there plot mandatory revives in Gaiden. I'm only at chapter 3 right now so... Now that I think about it, Lewyn was revived in Geneolegy by Forseti, so everyone ignore my statement about Ninian earlier please. What is IS's deal with killing plot-important characters then reviving them anyway? There's a character who appears in chapter 4 who "died" in FE1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) well all that swordmaster talk might be it, i only play on normal mode cause i don't like that hard takes away stuff, sure i could do without it, but its not as much fun. Edited May 24, 2015 by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Titania. In FE10 she's great but she can fall really behind in FE9 when in the wake of Oscar and Kieran. Course, she dominates early and mid game, but still. Yeah, her bases for a tier 2 unit are quite bad. Her growths are crazy, but keeping Titania relevant means you have to keep using her to stomp stuff, which is easy, but kind of annoying when you're also trying to train weaker units. My first playthrough of PoR I abused the heck out of Titania in the early game, and so she was great throughout, but ever since then she falls behind because I try to use her less. Edited May 24, 2015 by Radiant head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Just feed her all of the bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just call me AL Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Just feed her all of the bosses.Seconding this. It's what I do, myself. Especially on chapters where you're defending your base from the enemies. Total lifesaver when it comes to guarding the southern entrances. Edited May 25, 2015 by Just call me AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Sigurd: He's flipping boring as all heck and while he is very useful. I can't stand Jagens whatsoever, and Sigurd is a Jagen LORD character. I know people like him and my next pick, but I can't stand him. Sigurd is not a Jagen. Sigurd is a Sigurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCProductions Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) A Jagen is a prepromote you get from the prolouge. You get Sigurd in the prolouge prepromoted. Ergo, Sigurd is just as much a Jagen as Seth and well Jagen Edited May 25, 2015 by MCProductions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 A Jagen is a prepromote you get from the prolouge. You get Sigurd in the prolouge prepromoted. Ergo, Sigurd is just as much a Jagen as Seth and well Jagen You have an incredibly broad and erroneous definition of a Jagen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 While we're on the subject of Jeigens, I'm glad that they aren't really underrated anymore, at least on this site. It's a welcome improvement from the times where being pre-promoted made almost everyone assume a unit was bad. Admittedly, I used to think that way too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 While we're on the subject of Jeigens, I'm glad that they aren't really underrated anymore, at least on this site. It's a welcome improvement from the times where being pre-promoted made almost everyone assume a unit was bad. Admittedly, I used to think that way too. It depends on the game, mostly. FE6 has some awesome pre-promotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Titania with the Knight Ward will destroy everything ever and deserves the hype. Dealwithit.gif Ok....is Tharja really that hyped? Maybe its cuz i dont gamefaqs, but...really? Other than her appearance, and i do love her character, as a unit Henry is better in so many ways. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyFireMage Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I have to say Boyd is pretty overrated too. He does have speed problems, and any character can be good if you pump them full of BEXP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm not sure if I would say Henry is clearly superior. Tharja does have at least 4 chapters (and Paralogue 4) of availability over Henry and a better speed base (and growth iirc). Henry does have a huge hit rate lead over Tharja though. Henry really needs a better speed base to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Titania with the Knight Ward will destroy everything ever and deserves the hype. Dealwithit.gif Ok....is Tharja really that hyped? Maybe its cuz i dont gamefaqs, but...really? Other than her appearance, and i do love her character, as a unit Henry is better in so many ways. So... can't kill ashnard, therefore can't beat the game :^) gah i can't believe i put 9 on my favorites for years, its still a good game, but ugh that final boss decision Edited May 25, 2015 by HF Makalov Fanboy Kai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't remember people taking this topic so seriously the last time it popped up. SF, I am disappoint. Well, I guess if I were to just give a straight answer to the topic, I would say: none. No one is overrated. Units I like are not overrated and units I dislike are not overrated. Except for Sumia. She's overrated. You have an incredibly broad and erroneous definition of a Jagen.The only Jagen is Jagen. It depends on the game, mostly. FE6 has some awesome pre-promotes.Well, a few, but I definitely wouldn't cite FE6 first as a Fire Emblem with great prepromotes. Pretty much every game since then has had better ones. Ok....is Tharja really that hyped? Maybe its cuz i dont gamefaqs, but...really? Other than her appearance, and i do love her character, as a unit Henry is better in so many ways. So...Yeah, I'm pretty sure the hype around Tharja isn't so much for her ability but, uh, she's definitely better than Henry in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterIceTeaPeach Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) FE6 has some awesome pre-promotes. Maybe in LTC, but in regular runs I'd disagree.The only real useful prepromotes are: Marcus for being a lifeshield in earlygame Niime because of her stave level Percival because of his amazing hard mode boosts and decent growths for being a prepromoted unit Never saw a point of using the others since their bases are mediocre and growths are crappy. I feel like people are in denial about Edward. Because his bases are bad and his growths are good, it's like they have to convince themselves that surely there's a point in training Edward, and that it isn't a pain and waste of time. Even though he ends up mostly the same as Zihark/Mia, with a worse affinity if anything. Edward's bases are expectable for a level 4 myrm, if you ask me. Only the levels and stats of the enemies are the main problem for him. At least in 1-1 they'll be the same level like him. His growths are great, but he has still the lowest speed growth of all the myrms (60%). If he doesn't get a speed point in the prolog, he won't double anything in 1-1. He's more like a mercenary than a myrm. Bolded: Funny you say that when at Zihark's base level Edward's stat advantages are... 3-4 HP, 1-2 points in Strength, and 6 points in Luck. Yay? What's the point of this? I tried to explain that Edward won't be worse than Zihark (statwise), if you train him. Same like Rolf and Shinon. Edited May 25, 2015 by Mister IceTeaPeach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momogeek2141 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Personally I find Jagens units who turn out as shit when trained due to their bad bases and growths. Basically they're unusable long term. Not saying they don't kick ass at all(well except Jagen he's shit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I'm pretty sure the hype around Tharja isn't so much for her ability but, uh, she's definitely better than Henry in that regard. Erm, I'm not entirely sold, personally - Tharja's awful skill and luck make me cry. Especially the latter. Granted, I have issues with Henry's speed, but I'm not sure I'd consider someone who not only can't hit the side of a barn, but also faces crit chances regularly better. Edited May 25, 2015 by Levant Caprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Then just throw her some Skill Books/Goddess Icons, some of the least contested statboosters of all time. Although both of her skills help with any hit problems anyways lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't remember people taking this topic so seriously the last time it popped up. SF, I am disappoint. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the hype around Tharja isn't so much for her ability but, uh, she's definitely better than Henry in that regard. Gee, maybe its because people are actually attempting to use the actual definition of overrated instead of "character i dont like" Cuz replies are actually Characters Who Are Hyped To Oblivion And Opinions On If They Live Up To Said Hype. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ As a unit though, Henry is better. Tharja's base speed is better but thats it really. I'm not sure if I would say Henry is clearly superior. Tharja does have at least 4 chapters (and Paralogue 4) of availability over Henry and a better speed base (and growth iirc). Henry does have a huge hit rate lead over Tharja though. Henry really needs a better speed base to be honest. Ehh, her speed is the only thing really leading over Henry tbh. Even with a level lead, Tharja's defense is not matching Henry's. I guess after a point and sticking Nosferatu on both, its hard to tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Maybe in LTC, but in regular runs I'd disagree.The only real useful prepromotes are: Marcus for being a lifeshield in earlygame Niime because of her stave level Percival because of his amazing hard mode boosts and decent growths for being a prepromoted unit Never say a point of using the others since their bases are mediocre and growths are crappy. . You seem to forget about Klein, Igrene, Echidna, and a few other solid prepromotes in Fe6. Heck I find uses for Garet in Bern because he crits for days on lances lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 In hard mode, Garret has as much strength and skill as Percival at base, and everyone knows how much praise Percival gets for his offensive prowess. Garret's speed base really holds him back though. Speaking of Percival, he's the only GBA Fire Emblem pre-promote I've never seen anyone claim to be bad. Even people who love growth units have to admit that Percival has really good bases. Every pre-promote in FE6 except Yuno and Douglas has decent bases really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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