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[Silith13]

I like PoR Ike. He actually has development in his character from start to end and he's someone believable with his own faults and the fact he's not nobility.

[Sunwoo]

Roy da best.

Admittedly, I liked Ike a lot more when I first played PoR. But I also just mellowed out on him as well. That's partly because to me RD Ike was just no.

[Anacybele]

Characterwise, RD Ike is rather sad. I wish he'd been as good as his PoR self in that regard. But I still loved him for his amusing moments (Aimee conversations OMG LOL, a sarcastic comment towards Deghinsea, and then saying things like Shinon wouldn't tell him he smelled smoke if he was on fire and asking Oliver to rejoin the enemy oh man Ike who knew you could be so hilarious) and his badassery in battle. Those animations, man. And his design is badass and totally hot too. <3

Edited April 25, 2017 by Anacybele

[Armagon]

15 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

If his games weren't so hard to find and expensive I would love to play them myself though (virtual console please). 

This. I've been wanting to play Tellius for so long now. I've tried emulating it on Dolphin but my PC sucks. It can barely run Path of Radiance. And by barely, i mean, i get shown nothing but a black screen. 

That being said, unless the Switch gets Wii Virtual Console, i don't know how they'll do Radiant Dawn. Whereas GameCube Virtual Console is practically a given at this point, and thus, Path of Radiance on the Switch.

Having Tellius on Virtual Console on the Switch would be a blessing because Switch portability.

[Arcanite]

47 minutes ago, Motendra said:

Would you say that they'd need.... stiches?

More like, reconstructive surgery

3 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

Roy da best.

I never played binding, but some people say he was nigh useless in the game...... is that true?

In smash he's beyond xexy

 

[Anacybele]

1 minute ago, Arcanite said:

I never played binding, but some people say he was nigh useless in the game...... is that true?

In smash he's beyond xexy

All I know is that his promotion is absurdly late for some reason, so he falls behind everyone for awhile.

[Armagon]

3 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

I never played binding, but some people say he was nigh useless in the game...... is that true?

 

He's not useless. He is certianly not the best either. He's pretty decent. He's got decent growths that are just held back by a super late promotion, but other than that, he's fine. Just give him the Boots so he isn't stuck with 5 Movement for 21 Chapters.

Edit: He does have access to the Binding Blade (when he promotes) and the Binding Blade is one of the strongest in the series. If i remember correctly, it's the third strongest sword in the series, tying with Ragnell.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Armagon

[Sunwoo]

Just now, Arcanite said:

I never played binding, but some people say he was nigh useless in the game...... is that true?

In smash he's beyond xexy

Well, I should make it clear that on my first (and current) playthrough of FE6, I got a super blessed Roy who just pulled his weight and did shit even in the mid-game, when he hits 20 and becomes dead weight for most people. So I didn't have a "normal" Roy.

But one reason I like Roy is because he seems to be a good character. Despite being young (perhaps a bit unrealistically so), he shows why he deserves to be in charge of his army. He's not impulsive, he's wise beyond his years, and thinks things through. I mean, if the game wants to give me a ridiculously young protagonist, the least they can do is show me that they deserve to be that important.

[Magical Glace]

Ike is bad, the only good thing about him being added to the game is the ability to kill him as much as you like.  It has a proven stress relieving effect.

I'm gonna skip this focus, I only really care about Mist and she's a staff user.  

5 minutes ago, Arcanite said:

More like, reconstructive surgery

I never played binding, but some people say he was nigh useless in the game...... is that true?

In smash he's beyond xexy

 

Roy in Binding Blade has the same problem as most lords with story based promotions: it's really, really late.

He's pretty decent early/during the Western Isles arc because #axeland and his personal weapon and promotion gains are fantastic, making him pretty good late, but he kinda stops midgame and has to be escorted around starting around about Chapter 13-14.

The sad part is it makes just as much sense to have him promote at the end of 16/x over 21/x from a story perspective, which is a plot point basically identical to how Ike promotes in FE9.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Glaceon Mage

[SatsumaFSoysoy]

I haven't actually personally played Tellius, but my favourite line from Ike is from his pre-battle convo with Sothe in Radiant Dawn. "You don’t think you can win against me, so you won’t." That actually inspired me a little bit.

[Anacybele]

3 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

Well, I should make it clear that on my first (and current) playthrough of FE6, I got a super blessed Roy who just pulled his weight and did shit even in the mid-game, when he hits 20 and becomes dead weight for most people. So I didn't have a "normal" Roy.

But one reason I like Roy is because he seems to be a good character. Despite being young (perhaps a bit unrealistically so), he shows why he deserves to be in charge of his army. He's not impulsive, he's wise beyond his years, and thinks things through. I mean, if the game wants to give me a ridiculously young protagonist, the least they can do is show me that they deserve to be that important.

Roy's age is one thing that turns me off from him, admittedly. I'm just not a fan of having a kid his age lead an army as opposed to someone a little older but also able to think things through and stuff, even if they have to learn that a little later.

And not that I dislike 17-18 year olds as lords, but I hope the Switch game goes a little different again and gives us a lord that's at least 20. Sigurd is the only one we ever got in that category and we all know how he ended up. Micaiah doesn't count because she looks 15 due to her Branded aging. I'm talking about someone who is AND looks over 20.

[Bartozio]

1 minute ago, Sunwoo said:

Well, I should make it clear that on my first (and current) playthrough of FE6, I got a super blessed Roy who just pulled his weight and did shit even in the mid-game, when he hits 20 and becomes dead weight for most people. So I didn't have a "normal" Roy.

But one reason I like Roy is because he seems to be a good character. Despite being young (perhaps a bit unrealistically so), he shows why he deserves to be in charge of his army. He's not impulsive, he's wise beyond his years, and thinks things through. I mean, if the game wants to give me a ridiculously young protagonist, the least they can do is show me that they deserve to be that important.

I personaly thinkl Roy is a bit to perfect, as he really seems to always make the right decission by often going against his advisers. It doesn't mean he's a bad character, but I don't really like that type. I also feel he doesn't get as much character development as some other main characters.

Gameplay wise I never had trouble with him until he got to lvl 20 and the waiting for his promotion started.

[Sunwoo]

5 minutes ago, Bartozio said:

I personaly thinkl Roy is a bit to perfect, as he really seems to always make the right decission by often going against his advisers. It doesn't mean he's a bad character, but I don't really like that type. I also feel he doesn't get as much character development as some other main characters.

Gameplay wise I never had trouble with him until he got to lvl 20 and the waiting for his promotion started.

Not every character necessarily has to grow to be a good character. The thing about Roy is that he's the commander of his army in FE6 and they save the world. But he is never worshipped or praised for it. At least not to the degree that Ike and Micaiah were. Also, Roy may seem "perfect" but the story does not call attention to whether he is or not. Therefore, I can let it slide.

I almost wonder if RD was the catalyst to all the avatar praise in Awakening and Fates.

[Anacybele]

3 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

I almost wonder if RD was the catalyst to all the avatar praise in Awakening and Fates.

I hope not, because while Ike and Micaiah both did get a good deal of praise, I felt the Avatar praise in the 3DS games was much worse. I don't know why IS has this mindset that the player wants everybody in the game to praise them. I don't really want it. It's cheesy and awkward and just plain dumb at times.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Anacybele

[Roflolxp54]

Kaz_Kirigiri has gotten the assets from the World of Radiance update up for download!

[Arthur97]

Well, it works better if you go in with the mindset that the avatars are their own characters rather than extensions of you. Plus, I tend to just role with the plot so I didn't really think anything of it during Awakening. Though none of them are as bad as Heroes.

[mewyeon]

IKE IS HEREEEEE

Good character choices for the banner, though.  If I had to pick them, I would've done the same.  I have kind of an overabundance of green units (thanks to trying for Hector and the Grand Hero battles for Narcian and Michalis) though so idk about Soren and Titania.  I'd like to have Ike but at the same time I have my hands full trying to get a 5* Chrom, Karel, or Ryoma *cries* haha well good luck to everyone pulling from it! Seems like Tellius was very much anticipated amongst the masses :D

 

[Suichimo]

34 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

lol wow, how hypocritical. You tell me not to speak for everyone (which I didn't mean to, should've worded that better), but then go and say people only like Ike for gameplay reasons.

Which is wrong. I and others definitely like him for his character and story too. In fact, I like him MORE for that than his being great in gameplay. And nothing stands out story-wise? How about being the only lord that isn't of noble/royal birth, which let him grow up unrefined and more casual, unlike other generic sword princes in this series? How about how he actually grows as a character throughout PoR too? His ability to win the respect and trust of people that at first hate his guts like Reyson (and to a lesser extent, Lethe and Tibarn)? I always found this so admiring about him. Other lords in the series already had respect and trust because they're nicey nice princes and nobles and such, so Ike had to go around and earn it before he made a name for himself.

I admit the whole revenge for the death of a parent thing is cliche, but cliche doesn't necessarily mean bad. And that wasn't even the whole plot anyway. It was more a side thing.

I can assume you weren't around for NSider, official forums Nintendo used to host, then? Because 95% of what you heard about Ike there was how he was super badass and kicked everyone's ass. Rarely were any story reasons brought up for liking him. As for your points about his character, all but the first one can be applied to basically every lord in the series.

As far as unique plot points, Roy's parents* are alive! How many other FE protags can say that?

* - Assuming on his mother's part as we never see her and it's probably Ninian anyway.

16 minutes ago, Anacybele said:

Roy's age is one thing that turns me off from him, admittedly. I'm just not a fan of having a kid his age lead an army as opposed to someone a little older but also able to think things through and stuff, even if they have to learn that a little later.

And not that I dislike 17-18 year olds as lords, but I hope the Switch game goes a little different again and gives us a lord that's at least 20. Sigurd is the only one we ever got in that category and we all know how he ended up. Micaiah doesn't count because she looks 15 due to her Branded aging. I'm talking about someone who is AND looks over 20.

That's the thing, though, someone older WAS supposed to lead the army. Unfortunately, he was murdered and his #2 was pretty damn sick at the time. So Roy got the bill of leading the entire Lycia Alliance against Bern just dropped on him. Roy is a student that has been thrust into the head of the largest conflict Elibe has seen since the Scouring.

16 minutes ago, Bartozio said:

I personaly thinkl Roy is a bit to perfect, as he really seems to always make the right decission by often going against his advisers. It doesn't mean he's a bad character, but I don't really like that type. I also feel he doesn't get as much character development as some other main characters.

Gameplay wise I never had trouble with him until he got to lvl 20 and the waiting for his promotion started.

It's been a while since I've played through FE6, Hard Mode is evil, but I can't remember him ever just going against his advisors without good reason.

[Anacybele]

7 minutes ago, Arthur97 said:

Well, it works better if you go in with the mindset that the avatars are their own characters rather than extensions of you. Plus, I tend to just role with the plot so I didn't really think anything of it during Awakening. Though none of them are as bad as Heroes.

Seriously? The only person in Heroes that I would say over-praises the summoner/Avatar is Sharena, and this is coming from someone that really likes her. But this is the only issue I have with her. It's fine if she respects the summoner and all, but she gets a little too excited about it and stuff.

I still love her optimism, desire to make friends, and her design though. :P

On another note, I keep rewatching the Radiance trailer. I can't stop because I'm so excited!!

[Silith13]

Roy shuts up Merlinus all the time to do his own thing. His support with Marcus is all about him not wanting to make a super elite squad and give new members a chance to fight for what they believe in too.

[Raven]

Ike will have great all-round stats besides shitty Res and below par Spd. Calling it now.

[Anacybele]

8 minutes ago, Suichimo said:

I can assume you weren't around for NSider, official forums Nintendo used to host, then? Because 95% of what you heard about Ike there was how he was super badass and kicked everyone's ass. Rarely were any story reasons brought up for liking him.

I've never heard of NSider, so no. And around here on SF, I see plenty of story reasons being brought up for liking Ike. Also in the Famitsu poll, one of the most common reasons people listed for voting Ike was that he stood out among the other lords for being a commoner, which is more story than gameplay.

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As for your points about his character, all but the first one can be applied to basically every lord in the series.

Imo, not to the same degree as Ike.

8 minutes ago, Suichimo said:

That's the thing, though, someone older WAS supposed to lead the army. Unfortunately, he was murdered and his #2 was pretty damn sick at the time. So Roy got the bill of leading the entire Lycia Alliance against Bern just dropped on him. Roy is a student that has been thrust into the head of the largest conflict Elibe has seen since the Scouring.

Ike is in a similar situation. Greil was killed, and before he died, he asked Ike to lead the company. Ike was basically still learning, but got thrust into this position and the biggest job the Greil Mercs ever had to take in helping Elincia.

But despite the character's age, it makes it harder for me to take them seriously if they're 15 as apposed to 17-18+.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Anacybele

[Silith13]

Just now, Raven said:

Ike will have great all-round stats besides shitty Res and below par Spd. Calling it now.

My last 3 PoR Ike's capped res (and didn't cap Str, sigh)

Since it's PoR Ike his speed should be his main thing. He should have pretty average HP, Str and Def with Res indeed being his low stat.

Like

HP: 40(41)
Atk: 31(32)
Spd: 36(37)
Def: 27(28)
Res:18(19)

That's 152. I don't know how much is normal for a lordie (Quick check says it's 157 or 158 So let me bump all stats up by one.)

[Ice Dragon]

4 minutes ago, Suichimo said:

As far as unique plot points, Roy's parents* are alive! How many other FE protags can say that?

* - Assuming on his mother's part as we never see her and it's probably Ninian anyway.

Roy's mother is confirmed dead. Which means he only has a living father.

So the only really unique plot point is that Roy is the only lord whose dad survives the entire game (because Greil, Elbert, Vylon, and Sigurd sure as hell don't).

[Sunwoo]

Personally, I think PoR Ike should have decent resistance. He did have a ridiculous 40% resistance growth in that game.