GuiltyLove Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bartozio said: When I went to bed last night I was ranked in the top 100, and when I awoke I was ranked 666. Might be coincidence though. That is an ominous sign... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartozio Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 minute ago, GuiltyLove said: That is an ominous sign... I don't care whether I'm cursed or not, as long as I can have the power to fight alongside my friends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zangetsu Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 By the Gods, it just a friendly competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cute Chao Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Heck. Roy with TA and Eirika with TA + Ninian on my side... against Reinhardt, Nowi and Summer!Gaius. This one was not happening. I think this is my worst matchup for a while -.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, Glaceon Mage said: Well, killing his family means killing Mist, and I actually like her... So I think I'll just leave it at "Die Ike." Wow, how heartless can you be? If you care about Mist, you'd want Ike to stay around. The poor girl already lost her parents, yet you would take her brother too? Seriously, that's really harsh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: @RezzyI was expecting this answer. The fact that they haven't gone back to the times of "no multiplier" or "fixed 3x multiplier" is proof that those weren't working at all. - No multiplier: The return of curbstomps and people sticking to the "obvious winner" just to be safe. Little or no reason to join other characters' armies. - Fixed 3x multiplier: Not enough tip scaling. No intensity. Curbstomps are still happening just to a slightly lesser degree. The current multiplier system, while flawed, is the best answer the developers have found so far. It's here to stay until the developers can come up with something better in the future. There's nothing innately wrong with a curbstomp. If a character has that much more support, they deserve to win. If the LA Dodger beat the local Little League team, the solution isn't to whack the Dodgers in the knees before they take their at bats, its to avoid matching up characters that are poor matches in the first place. In the March Madness tournament, they don't award 20 free points to the 16 seed just to give them a chance to beat the 1 seed, if they want an upset, they have to earn it. Favorites win most of the time, that's why they are favorites. Arbitrary mechanics to artificially create more upsets rubs me and many others the wrong way. Maybe if the #1 gets beaten in the first round because is this mechanic, they'll reverse this aspect. The started this whole mess by leading off with Lucina against a bunch of also-rans. Lucina won fairly because lots of people like her. They never should have has a popularity gauntlet in the first place, if they thought the most popular character winning was a bad thing. 24 minutes ago, Koumal8 said: Also, let me jump on the multiplier hate train for a moment before I go to bed: while it may be a little fun thing to get advantage of, all it does is punish actually popular characters and transform almost any bracket in a little RNG fest where the last hour carrying a multiplier or not basically decides everything, and there's not really any strategic element behind it seeing how it's not like the different teams have any means to coordinate their efforts and follow some kind of "plan". I did not participate in any previous voting gauntlet, but all this multiplier stuff achieve is that matches which would have one day been boring curbstomps are now less boring but more frustrating curbstomps where the multiplier might at the least minute reverse the result, while more even and engaging matches like Chrom vs Ephraim (or was it Hector vs Ephraim?) are just not a thing anymore. Let's look at the current Ike vs Roy situation: I'm on team Ike and I really hope he wins because he's probably the only male character who can actually duke it out with the ladies, but I wouldn't mind if Roy won, I like him quite enough too. The real problem is that basically no outcome will be satisfying in any way: if Ike wins, there's not much to be proud of, we had what? a 6x larger army of supporters or something?, while if Ike loses, there is nothing the Roy team should feel proud of since it'll just mean they got lucky, and really getting lucky isn't much of an accomplishment; the only possible satisfying outcome would be if Roy got a multiplier on the last hour and the Ike team managed to still nab the win by going all out with flags (I'm not even sure if that's mathematically possible btw). You put a lot of my feelings nicely here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyCheez3K Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I'll kill ya all if Kellam doesn't win this gauntlet!!!! (Meanwhile, I'm just waiting to get feathers - my dear Olivia is finally next in line to get her well-deserved attention) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Go Lyn woo hoo!!! Bleh It's like, soooo hard to be hype when you're sick. Anywho, my problem with the multiplier is the people who miss them fail to obtain points, which are tooootally needed to get feathers, which what this whole thing is like, really about. It's kind of unfair when your team has a multiplier and you're, like, doing important things. But it is just a game though.... Hmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rezzy said: There's nothing innately wrong with a curbstomp. If a character has that much more support, they deserve to win. If the LA Dodger beat the local Little League team, the solution isn't to whack the Dodgers in the knees before they take their at bats, its to avoid matching up characters that are poor matches in the first place. In the March Madness tournament, they don't award 20 free points to the 16 seed just to give them a chance to beat the 1 seed, if they want an upset, they have to earn it. Favorites win most of the time, that's why they are favorites. Arbitrary mechanics to artificially create more upsets rubs me and many others the wrong way. Maybe if the #1 gets beaten in the first round because is this mechanic, they'll reverse this aspect. The started this whole mess by leading off with Lucina against a bunch of also-rans. Lucina won fairly because lots of people like her. They never should have has a popularity gauntlet in the first place, if they thought the most popular character winning was a bad thing. There's something obviously wrong with curbstomps if the developers are coming up with ways to mitigate them. Curbstomps basically make casual people lose interest in the feature and, by association, the game itself. They need to keep things interesting and exciting for them. Also, don't mention sports-related things as those aren't related to this gacha game nor do I follow any sport at all so you lost me there. Edited September 1, 2017 by Lord-Zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatarinaCS1 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I find that the multiplier isnt completely a bad thing, upsets make it somewhat interesting in a battle with lesser known characters. I don't really like how it's been implemented though, as most multipliers happen when I should be sleeping. It also ruins the whole concept of a "Voting Gauntlet", which leads me to think it should be renamed first and foremost if they intend to keep things the way they are. However, this Gauntlet is when I finally feel bothered by it. To me, this is a battle of the ultra heavy-hitting popular characters, and I for one am really into the Lucina vs Lyn battle right now (and will be even more invested in the hopefully happening Ike vs Lyn battle). To have any of these matches between such crazy popular characters ruined by a last second mechanic would be very disheartening to see. These are the battles I've been waiting for. Because relatively speaking, these characters are all at the top. I think ultimately IS should think more about the characters they pick for these Gauntlets, or perhaps even better would be to implement a lighter pre-gauntlet voting system to help determine who the most popular 8 heroes meeting the criteria of the next voting gauntlet would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: There's something obviously wrong with curbstomps if the developers are coming up with ways to mitigate them. Curbstomps basically make casual people lose interest in the feature and, by association, the game itself. They need to keep things interesting and exciting for them. Also, don't mention sports-related things as those aren't related to this gacha game nor do I follow any sport at all so you lost me there. They changed it because people complained. If enough people lead contrary feedback, maybe they'll change it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poimagic Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I feel like being one of the people at baseball games who announces things. So here are the current scores: Roy vs Ike: Roy is winning Hector vs Chrom: Chrom is losing, but is closing the gap between him and Hector Tharja vs Camilla: Camilla is winning Lyn vs Lucina: Lyn is winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I supported Alfonse back in the first gauntlet. I pick who I like. Everyone taking things too personally is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ike-uys wifu❤ Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Glaceon Mage said: Well, killing his family means killing Mist, and I actually like her... So I think I'll just leave it at "Die Ike." Wtf is wrong with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Team Ike, you guys need to cool it with the flags, you don't want to give Roy another multiplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rezzy said: Team Ike, you guys need to cool it with the flags, you don't want to give Roy another multiplier. Relax, Roy is still ahead by a little bit, Team Ike definitely eased up. We'll pull ahead in an hour or two and then it'll be impossible for Roy to get another multiplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmy Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 But we need those flags for Lyn I don't think her team had any reason to use them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrosion Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rezzy said: Team Ike, you guys need to cool it with the flags, you don't want to give Roy another multiplier. I've only used flags during Ike's only multiplier hour so I'm doing what needs to be done. So long as our average hourly gain doesn't go up any further, Roy will fail to get the multiplier. It's Team Camilla that needs to seriously worry about a last hour multiplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Yeah, Team Ike will need flags for a fight against Lyn anyway. I know we can beat her too! Ike is the best! <3 But damn it, why did I have to get two Ikes vs a Reinhardt and Delthea here? -_- I hate when this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur97 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I just wish that at least, something was going on in Lyn vs. Lucina. They're the only ones close enough for it to be boring. At the very least, Lyn isn't overwhelmingly popular. In different conditions, maybe things would have been different considering how relatively close they are, but I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiToastExplosion Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Arthur97 said: I just wish that at least, something was going on in Lyn vs. Lucina. They're the only ones close enough for it to be boring. At the very least, Lyn isn't overwhelmingly popular. In different conditions, maybe things would have been different considering how relatively close they are, but I digress. You realize that Lyn whomped Lucina in the CYL poll.... and like, was the highest voted character (inb4 Ike split). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Zero Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 59 minutes ago, Rezzy said: They changed it because people complained. If enough people lead contrary feedback, maybe they'll change it again. The complaints were because of the hard curbstomps. With no hope of "winning", the casual audience would lose interest. Considering the fact that the system has remained unchanged, either the "contrary feedback" isn't enough or the current system works...despite its flaws. Could be improved. Anyway, as for the guys, it doesn't who wins. He'll be crushed by either Lyn or Lucina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: Anyway, as for the guys, it doesn't who wins. He'll be crushed by either Lyn or Lucina. Ike would put up a good fight against them and possibly win, I think. Edited September 2, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezzy Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Lord-Zero said: The complaints were because of the hard curbstomps. With no hope of "winning", the casual audience would lose interest. Considering the fact that the system has remained unchanged, either the "contrary feedback" isn't enough or the current system works...despite its flaws. Could be improved. Anyway, as for the guys, it doesn't who wins. He'll be crushed by either Lyn or Lucina. I think more of the casuals are drawn to the more popular characters in the first place. Many casuals knew Lucina from Smash or even Awakening, but not nearly as many knew who say, Eirika was. The fact that there were curbstomps means that most people were on the winning teams. It's hard to say who will win the final round. Lyn/Lucina may very well beat Ike, but in the first round, Ike has the highest vote total without multipliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekoKnight Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I see the "Multipliers killed my dog and burned my house down" people are back. This is the closest popularity match you could ever hope for and the writing is almost set in stone. Lyn would win the girls side, Ike the boys side and Ike for the whole thing. The chance of another Chrom vs Ephraim match is miniscule, even without multipliers. People complaining are those on the juggernaut team who don't want competition. Also, woo hoo to Ike and Lyn. I'm not going to be one of those guys that says the 3DS games are trash compared to the old but it's nice to see a veteran champion lead the charge for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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