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New Special Heroes Incoming: Bridal Bloom (May 21 ~): Bride Sanaki, Tharja, and Ninian (Groom Marth as TT reward)

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16 minutes ago, Book Bro said:

I'm sorry but unless you're like a young teenager, this is a very immature and frankly worrisome view.

If someone fantasizes about children in a sexual way or torturing people, that's not normal and needs to be addressed psychologically, precisely to prevent that person from someday acting on those urges and getting themselves and others potentially hurt. And they can end up acting on those urges indirectly as well as directly. Even if a pedophile never touches a child, but ends up collecting inappropriate images of them, they're still harming children by creating a market for that type of stuff. 

Bullying and abusing innocent people is never okay, so I am not sure why you think that is immature or worrisome. If a teenager can understand that, there is no reason adults should not. Your statement basically gives people who bully others in real life a pass while allowing innocent people who have different fantasies to be abused. In my opinion, that is messed up.

Not everyone has only thoughts of only rainbows and puppies in their mind. Thought suppression is unhealthy. People need an outlet, and having fantasies help. People are not stupid and ethically inept to the point where they cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy.

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20 minutes ago, Book Bro said:

I'm sorry but unless you're like a young teenager, this is a very immature and frankly worrisome view.

If someone fantasizes about children in a sexual way or torturing people, that's not normal and needs to be addressed psychologically, precisely to prevent that person from someday acting on those urges and getting themselves and others potentially hurt. And they can end up acting on those urges indirectly as well as directly. Even if a pedophile never touches a child, but ends up collecting inappropriate images of them, they're still harming children by creating a market for that type of stuff. 

You mean sexualized pictures of real children?  Cause I don't support that, I don't want real children being taken advantage of in any way.  The fictional images though are victimless. 

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As far as the Loli Sanaki controversy goes:

I just watched End of Evangelion.  Rei's naked body is displayed full frontal MULTIPLE times, and there's a scene where she's touched by [redacted].  She's supposed to be 14 by the way.  So excuse me for feeling 'yawn' about this debate.

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I don't really see why all the controversy regarding Sanaki. She is only playing to be a bride, she has 10, remember? Moreover, her title is "Apostle in White", she can be going to a formal dance, or maybe to a wedding. Being dressed in white doesn't really mean you are getting married.

About the banner, I will pull for Ninian or Sanaki, I hope they have good ofensive stats.

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16 minutes ago, Nicolu-Chan said:

I don't really see why all the controversy regarding Sanaki. She is only playing to be a bride, she has 10, remember? Moreover, her title is "Apostle in White", she can be going to a formal dance, or maybe to a wedding. Being dressed in white doesn't really mean you are getting married.

Ignore the other posts, it's just 18 page of butthurt western people associating what they see is what could be sexualized/pedophile/socially unacceptable, because they appareantly still play this game and they have nothing else to complain about right now. I just stopped reading this topic for this reason after an hour. Not everything meant to be wrong just because one group of people make a bigger deal about it than what it actually supposed to mean.

Personally I would be happy to get a Ninian in my squad, Sanaki be close second. Saved 78 free orbs so far.

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15 minutes ago, Nicolu-Chan said:

I don't really see why all the controversy regarding Sanaki. She is only playing to be a bride, she has 10, remember? Moreover, her title is "Apostle in White", she can be going to a formal dance, or maybe to a wedding. Being dressed in white doesn't really mean you are getting married.

About the banner, I will pull for Ninian or Sanaki, I hope they have good ofensive stats.

I don’t think the problem is Sanaki herself. I think the problem is with IS and why they chose a literal child for something like this. Out of all the characters to choose from, they choose a ten year old, instead of someone like Elincia. It’s very clear what kind of crowd they’re appealing to here and I’d say that’s what most people who are complaining are upset about.

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14 hours ago, Florete said:

Because nothing changes if people stay silent. IS has done some creepy, scummy things in the past, but this really is a new low.

breaking news

company commissions artist to draw a fictional young girl in a wedding dress

it's actually really cute and adorable but for some god forsaken reason retards won't stop bitching about how it's objectifying fictional children

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I want Sanaki because her weapon will be OP in the Special Training maps (even at 5* Lv 40 getting SP still makes me feel accomplished) and Chain Challenges because speed and attack. With 3 allies within 2 spaces the weapon has 23 might and gives +6 speed. Also has Draw Back which are on none of my good units and I can't find anyone bad to fodder. Other brides wanted as well ofc.

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In regards to the banner, I'm feeling pretty meh, especially since I'm expecting the 2017 bride banner to have a rerun, meaning I could pull for Bride Lyn merges. I'd love to get flier Ninian though considering that I have a month to pull on the 2018 banner AND that I already have a built New Years Azura, she's not a top priority. Plus, there's also a Legendary Heroes banner that's coming up along with the Voting Gauntlet.

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everyone's upset about Bride Sanaki and here I am being upset about Bride Ninian because I want her but have no orbs (and no Ishtar)

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10 minutes ago, Zak Something said:

everyone's upset about Bride Sanaki and here I am being upset about Bride Ninian because I want her but have no orbs (and no Ishtar)

I'm okay with Bride Sanaki, I'm sure she is supervising a Begnion wedding, giving the couple her blessing. In my case I have 400 orbs, and I will devote them to Tharja.

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They all look so cool! Wasn’t expecting Tharja but hey, she’s sarcastic and in a black dress so sure!

But I must remain strong for the Legendary banner in case Winter Tharja is there. Or really, any other units I really want. Winter Chrom or Lissa would be amazing as well. Maybe Hardin or M!Grima too...

Anyway! Brides look great, their skills are interesting and best case scenario I get one as the free summon and don’t have to worry about it! Probably won’t happen, but stranger things have occurred.

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28 minutes ago, Zak Something said:

everyone's upset about Bride Sanaki and here I am being upset about Bride Ninian because I want her but have no orbs (and no Ishtar)

I see nothing wrong with her either. I am, however, rather disappointed in the fact that there is even a "controversy" about her though.

To actually talk about the banner and move away from that bullshit, I'm not really going to prioritize this banner starting out as Bridelia (assuming she gets re-run) is the real prize I have my eye and orbs on. Though I will be both happy and pissed if I get Bride Ninian with my free pull after all the suffering I went through trying to get flying Azura only to ultimately fail.

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Yeah it's disappointing there is so much individuals willing taka part in such witch hunt (no Now I pun intended) in this time and age. Good that virtual forks doesn't hurt that much at least.

 

BTW: What element is legendary hero supposed be this time? 

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16 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said:

Yeah it's disappointing there is so much individuals willing taka part in such witch hunt (no Now I pun intended) in this time and age. Good that virtual forks doesn't hurt that much at least.

 

BTW: What element is legendary hero supposed be this time? 

Fire or Water.

Anyway, I am pretty sad that the Western FE community is kind of getting known for complaining about everything. I like this community, so I don't want to see this happen.

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2 hours ago, Tenzen12 said:

BTW: What element is legendary hero supposed be this time? 

I believe it is going to be a fire or water hero this time since we have two earth and wind heroes but only 1 fire and water. Personally I think it is going to be a red fire hero this time.

Edit: Crap, beated to the punchline.

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someone already answered question

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We really should get a fire hero this time, if only because Fjorm's coming back in this month's legendary banner. Anyone who didn't get Ephraim still lacks a fire hero, whereas Fjorm was free so everyone has a water hero (unless someone sacked their only Fjorm, but that's their own fault). If the next legendary hero is indeed red, then it'd be nice to have a fire hero and a water hero in the rotation at the same time, instead of two water heroes.

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21 minutes ago, Tenzen12 said:

BTW: What element is legendary hero supposed be this time? 

Someone pointed out how IS is moving right with bonus stats atk->spd->def->res->atk and so forth. Either water def or fire res

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4 hours ago, XRay said:

Bullying and abusing innocent people is never okay, so I am not sure why you think that is immature or worrisome. If a teenager can understand that, there is no reason adults should not. Your statement basically gives people who bully others in real life a pass while allowing innocent people who have different fantasies to be abused. In my opinion, that is messed up.

Not everyone has only thoughts of only rainbows and puppies in their mind. Thought suppression is unhealthy. People need an outlet, and having fantasies help. People are not stupid and ethically inept to the point where they cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy.

The other topic on this same subject closed so I'll answer here.  We aren't talking about innocent lambs here, but hungry wolves.  Predators.  Making a pass at a child, touching a child, obviously anything worse could destroy that kid for life and abut one of the worst things one can do.  Now just cause some people are attracted to children doesn't mean they would act on it, but let's not pretend it is something okay.  It is something seriously messed up. 

The problem also with attraction and not acting on it.  You know in some cultures even today, and certainly in the past, homosexual acts were considered horrendous evils.  Did that prevent homosexual acts from occuring?  Partially maybe, but still many did.  People will act on what they are attracted to.  That doesn't mean they are going to rape a kid, but they could touch or make comments or behave in other inappropriate ways.  This isn't something that should be encouraged in any form of media, as something normal.  

Hopefully the backlash is big enough that we don't get any more lolicon bait units.  When you normalize something in culture say it is okay, that encourages people to act on it.  We can see that in history, so there is nothing innocent or harmless about it.  Doesn't Japan have a big issue with school girls molested on trains?  Doesn't have that issue with middle schoolers working as escorts that meet up with middle aged men?  Culture has a huge influence on how people will act.  If said person is attracted to kids and in a culture where it is accepted and not looked down upon, do you think more people would act on it than on a culture where it is looked at as a despicable and awful thing?  Yes obviously.  

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And so I came to the realization that I am very, very disappointed in this banner and with two characters: Sanaki and Tharja. They don't really offer anything new, especially Tharja.

Bride Ninian stands out as our first flying ranged dancer. Sure, we have New Year's Azura, but they're in different colors and of course, they attack at different ranges and have different weapons. Still, that alone gives her distinction beyond Sanaki and Tharja, especially Tharja. Sanaki is another flying mage who might end up being the magic tank to spring Camilla's physical tank and Tharja seems like she's going to have to compete with herself, Celica, and Katarina.

Sanaki doesn't have it as bad as Tharja, but part of me wished she was a flying healer and one with a personal staff now. The banner's theme is brides and flowers (and some brat who's probably there just to eat cake), but that doesn't necessarily mean they have to use flower to as their weapons. Sanaki could just use a staff shaped or stylized as a flower. She can't use staves as far as I know in Radiant Dawn, but it could have been a reference to how some little sisters in Fire Emblem are healers and she is someone's little sister. Yes, she's Shinon's long-lost little sister. And no, she will not invite her fake brother over and ask him to bring along Double Bow as his weapon.

Moving on, Tharja for some reason has only had alts all be red mages where at least winter Tharja is an armored one and a hell of a tank. The bride class in Awakening can use bows, lances, and staves which were all covered in the previous bride banner with Charlotte (lance), Cordelia (bow), and Lyn (staff) along with the addition of magic with Caeda. Tharja as unit can reclass into an archer and knight. With all her classes, she can use axes, bows, lances, (dark) magic, and swords in addition to staves if you make her a bride and who wouldn't and she can also be an armor, cavalry, and infantry unit. But bride Tharja is a red infantry mage and the trailer shows her with the same HP as her regular self, 39 HP, and her Muspell Fireposy's +3 speed makes me feel like she's going to be hit hard and fast like her regular self. Worst case scenario is bride Tharja's just going be regular Tharja with 2-3 more defense or resistance and a personal tome. Otherwise, she's going to be, in terms of stats, some variation of M!Morgan and powercreep of Celica and Katarina. That's really not appealing.

The developers planned things ahead of time, so color bows were probably not in existence at least during the early development to launch days of FEH, but you know what would have been freaking awesome? Bride Tharja being a red archer who shoots explosive flowers or flower-tipped arrows. Sure, she'll have to target defense instead of resistance and loses access Rauthblade, Rauthowl, and the most powerful tome of all, the Tomato Tome, but she'd gain Brave Bow, Firesweep Bow, Guard Bow, and Slaying Bow and stand out more as a physical ranged unit even though she'd still be the same color. Also, explosive arrows. Come on, you know you want Michael Bay Tharja! Otherwise, they could have made her any other color or given her a freaking horse, pegasus, wyvern, zebra, donkey, or whatever mount. Even making her an armor unit would still be something different since she would be a red ToD! Henry or Valentine's Lyn instead of regular Tharja, but with a few more base stats.

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11 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

We aren't talking about innocent lambs here, but hungry wolves.  Predators.  Making a pass at a child, touching a child, obviously anything worse could destroy that kid for life and abut one of the worst things one can do.  Now just cause some people are attracted to children doesn't mean they would act on it, but let's not pretend it is something okay.

You are essentially name calling innocent people and accusing them of being unable to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

12 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

The problem also with attraction and not acting on it.  You know in some cultures even today, and certainly in the past, homosexual acts were considered horrendous evils.  Did that prevent homosexual acts from occuring?  Partially maybe, but still many did.  People will act on what they are attracted to.  That doesn't mean they are going to rape a kid, but they could touch or make comments or behave in other inappropriate ways.

You are accusing innocent people of lacking self control. As long as homosexual acts are consensual, there is nothing wrong with it. On the other hand, children legally cannot give consent so involving them sexually is never okay. You are insinuating that people are unable to distinguish the difference between consensual and nonconsensual acts.

18 minutes ago, Lewyn said:

When you normalize something in culture say it is okay, that encourages people to act on it.  We can see that in history, so there is nothing innocent or harmless about it.

Do you seriously think BB!Sanaki normalizes child marriages? Again, you are basically calling people complete idiots for not being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Grand Theft Auto does not normalize crime. Pokémon does not normalize animal abuse. Mortal Combat does not normalize violence. Advance Wars does not normalize war. Need for Speed does not normalize bad driving.

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2 hours ago, Charmeleonbrah said:

As far as the Loli Sanaki controversy goes:

I just watched End of Evangelion.  Rei's naked body is displayed full frontal MULTIPLE times, and there's a scene where she's touched by [redacted].  She's supposed to be 14 by the way.  So excuse me for feeling 'yawn' about this debate.

Yeah and this is why context matters. IS has shown that they are willing to pander to the weird otaku crowd by putting nowi, elise, witch nowi, sakura and nyx in their games. They don't get the benefit of the doubt.

As for EoE, it's been years since I've seen it but EoE never glorifies fanservice (you've seen the "I'm so fucked up" scene) and Rei's relationship with Gendo is never portrayed as a a positive thing (I assume you're referring to that). Also, Anno unlike IS is someone who is very critical of otaku.

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12 minutes ago, Hekselka said:

Yeah and this is why context matters. IS has shown that they are willing to pander to the weird otaku crowd by putting nowi, elise, witch nowi, sakura and nyx in their games. They don't get the benefit of the doubt.

As for EoE, it's been years since I've seen it but EoE never glorifies fanservice (you've seen the "I'm so fucked up" scene) and Rei's relationship with Gendo is never portrayed as a a positive thing (I assume you're referring to that). Also, Anno unlike IS is someone who is very critical of otaku.

I'm just putting this forward as an example of why whining about 'loli child brides' is overreaction.  Btw I would totally whale to get a Rei crossover character in Heroes.

Also...what's the Fire Emblem equivalent of Rei vs. Asuka?

Edited by Charmeleonbrah

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52 minutes ago, XRay said:

You are essentially name calling innocent people and accusing them of being unable to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

You are accusing innocent people of lacking self control. As long as homosexual acts are consensual, there is nothing wrong with it. On the other hand, children legally cannot give consent so involving them sexually is never okay. You are insinuating that people are unable to distinguish the difference between consensual and nonconsensual acts.

Do you seriously think BB!Sanaki normalizes child marriages? Again, you are basically calling people complete idiots for not being able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Grand Theft Auto does not normalize crime. Pokémon does not normalize animal abuse. Mortal Combat does not normalize violence. Advance Wars does not normalize war. Need for Speed does not normalize bad driving.

If people can make their fantasy reality they often will.  They don't have to pin a child down and force them, they could tell an unknowing child to do this or that or undress or whatever and convince themselves the child is okay with it.  It is nothing liking nonconsensual stuff with an adult which would basically be force or drugs and most don't have it in them to do something like that.  You can trick a child, or fool them into believing that it is okay.  

You know how much child molestation goes on?  Do you know how many of those people would say the child was okay with it so it is fine?  Your comparisons to violence, bad driving don't work at all and is a strawman argument.  This is about presenting a person in a sexual manner who never should be presented as such.  The people who are into this IRL lust after and want to have inappropriate relationships with children.  The only thing holding them back is the law in countries where that applies, and how the culture views it. 

 

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