Nostalgia Mafia Game Over

[Psych]

You know for sure that when I yell at you for being an idiot, you're being really fucking stupid.

[Grace]

Okay then. I will address your post later then.

And like I said, contrived reasoning

[Elieson]

why the fuck are you playing to emotion like this

like this entire post is just talking about how we should be fishing more for content

content is easy to fake

motivation is not

Not really playing to emotion. I'm trying to encourage logical thinking habits.

Because while motivation is not fakable, it is easy to misinterpret, and subject to change. Content however, is forever there.

And yes, I'm pushing for more content. More content means more to analyze, which means more to interpret. It's a cycle that builds on itself.

So what's wrong with looking at everything?

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Rapier, I was referring to the populous when I said town, not prims. So, I don't believe him to be town.

[CT075]

Not really playing to emotion. I'm trying to encourage logical thinking habits.

you're really not

not when you make a line like that

Because while motivation is not fakable, it is easy to misinterpret, and subject to change. Content however, is forever there.

are you implying that it is impossible to misinterpret content?

So what's wrong with looking at everything?

what indeed

[riariadne]

Pretty sure picking a role won't give you a posting restriction. I just wanted to yell at you guys for being idiots.

You get every part of the role, even the stupid parts.

[Prims]

@Mod: I'm pretty sure there's an error on the votals somewhere since Aere is not listing as voting but isn't in the Not Voting category either. Meanwhile, Kevin is voting twice. Vig target Iris so she can sub in as co-mod please.

Fine with my vote on Kay, she's posting a lot of huge paragraphs but most are defensive or otherwise contributing nothing to finding scum. I see her pressing Shinori and Psych, but are they scum? If she thinks Shinori's digging himself deeper she could be waiting for him to make himself an easier mislynch before voting, no reason for town to withhold vote for pressure if Shinori is scummy.

Also agree with Shinori's vote on Aere, 10/10 would sheep but Kay looks worse to me for being all fluff. Even her pressure reads pretty passive-aggressive instead of townie-aggressive like it should be.

Bluedoom, what "content" has Kay posted that actually helps us find scum (addendum: the scum in question can't be her)? Also if you think Elie and Kay are scummy then why'd you empty unvote when leaving instead of just voting one of them?

Elie backing down is hard to read, does he actually find my PGO claim scummy or was he just fucking with people? Also I don't think redirector visits the player they redirect to. Also also scum!PGO would keep quiet if that was its gameplan so that they wouldn't get policy lynched once a bunch of extra kills on targeting roles pop up.

Iris why are you scared of stacking votes?

lol Psych berating everybody. Pretty sure nobody was actually forced to follow the SFMM2 restrictions, they were just guidelines.

Rein is literal scum instead of figurative scum for preventing anybody from picking ~bomb cop~. Uhhh has he even posted opinions instead of defensive rolegaming yet?

Rapier do you have opinions or are you just leaving your vote down because?

[Psych]

Since when was my role from SFMM2?

[Prims]

idk but somebody was speculating about it

[Grace]

It's not about how many votes he has against him, it's that the reason for the votes against Shinori is not RVS (other than Rapier), and it's not a good one. ED1 and all, sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to poke at a really lame reason for voting for somebody if it's serious.

And this is the sort of reaction to early wagons that gives off scum vibes. It's not like Shinori was anywhere near being lynched, and it definitely wasn't going to happen while he was asleep.

But also, you can't just ignore posts by certain people, that's just applying a double standard. What if Shinori said he hadn't been drinking? What then? Would it be any different? (Tip: It shouldn't.)

I don't like your posts against Shinori. Not because I'm defending him (trust me, I'm not), but because you are sticking words in his mouth, then basing your opinion of him based on what choices you are "allowing" him to say.

So taking what he specifically said and applying it is sticking words in his mouth? Okay then. :/

Other note: That was a defense, and you saying otherwise doesn't stick with me. Statement followed by a contradiction? >_>

1. Rein is stupid cause he voted for me, but he always votes for me because he's stupid.

3. Rein is extra stupid for picking a hidden role and then being revealed.

4. Now we argue about hidden roles and Shinori seems both dumb and scummy here.

I get that we're out of RVS and all, but I'm going to throw out a vote on ##Vote Aere, because he stood out to me the most regarding Prims' claim and because I just didn't like that whole mess. Honestly, currently this game is just making me stressed from how stupid everyone is being right now.

The three points I left in just aren't explained. Could you elaborate on number 4?

And that vote reason is also just a little bit off to me... :/

Kay just has a vote parked on me, even after admitting what I did now makes more sense. I don't see scum hunting here, FoS at you.

Kay didn't even vote you... >_>

Does that change anything?

Anyway, I'm happy enough with Shinori right now. Elie on the other hand...nope. Pushing the PGO claim, and assuming certain roles and interactions between those roles, and then saying it's to promote logical thinking; I don't like that. It feels like he's forcing thoughts towards certain dispositions, which is not good. It feels like trying to promote discussion without actually contributing.

##Unvote

##Vote: Elieson

[Grace]

idk but somebody was speculating about it

hi that was me, sorry

[Shinori]

Oh, for some reason I thought she had voted me.

My error. I still don't see much scum hunting.

[Kay]

Kay just has a vote parked on me, even after admitting what I did now makes more sense. I don't see scum hunting here, FoS at you.

Where is this vote

Freshers week, really busy right now sorry. Read through more now than earlier though:

-To claim early as PGO is town-like as it means town won't misfire, which is far more likely than scum misfiring.

-Kay seemed a bit stubborn about the prims issue and just took that argument on for a bit too long for my liking. Not voting is also bad.

-I can forgive Shinori for saying third-party hidden, but BBM's defence is kinda fishy. Like Manix pointed out it does seem a bit too desperate for 3 votes, one of which being RVS. But as I too feel that the pressure on Shinori has been misplaced, I'll just keep an eye on him for now.

Want to hear something useful and see a definitive vote from Kay though:

##Unvote

##Vote: Kay

Sorry but my activity won't be picking up until a few days from now. This game started at the worst possible time for me.

Nice sheeping. Yes, claiming early as PGO is town-like, but after all acting town-like is what mafia is trying to do. What's your point? Are you saying you think Prims is town, or is this just a point in favor of him being town.

Elieson, if you're being scummy on purpose again and not stating your actual opinions so no one has any idea what your opinions actually are again I'm going to try to policy lynch you in every game ever.

Since when was my role from SFMM2?

That was just speculation, I'm pretty sure? Kinda weird speculation, I think I remember you being a jerk in other games too, but I don't think anyone thought that for sure. Although I don't really like "since when" as an argument, but meh.

##Vote: BBM

[Elieson]

To get town points early on. After all, a good PGO would roleclaim so that nobody will visit him. It is really a good role for scum, however. But since we can't really do anything based only on his claim, I'd rather leave it alone for some time.

I personally fakeclaimed PGO in Shining Force Mafia. It kept me alive d1, and I was ok with that.

And just because I may have misinterpreted Kay doesn't mean I agree with the alternative

[Paperblade]

[4]Kay: Prims, BBM, Elieson, Kevin

[2]Shinori: Rapier, eclipse, Manix

[2]Aere: Psych, Shinori

[2]Elieson: Bluedoom, BBM, Iris, Manix

[2]BBM: Aere, Bluedoom, Snike, Kay

[1]Psych: Strider, Snike

[1]Sage: Serious Bananas

[1]Bluedoom: Cam

[0]Serious Bananas: Shinori

[0]Strider: Prims, Serious Bananas, Kevin

[0]Rapier: Prims

[0]scorri: BBM

[0]Snike: Strider

[0]Kevin: Snike

[0]Prims: BBM, Elieson

[0]eclipse: Manix

[4]Not Voting: Anouleth, Sage, Bluedoom, Aere

[BBM]

Quickly saying something before I eat (I'll say more after I come back).

I'm not really sure why Snike is voting for me? If it's because I use too many question marks (?), that's just my typing style. And I'm not sure at all why Kay is voting for me.

Also Rein, your post linking to your role doesn't work for me (and apparently the role in the flip is different from what's in postgame) so can you just say what post exactly it is in the thread?

Kay, talking about game theory is not bad- it's just that it's not good either. And I honestly haven't seen any posts from you that try to do anything of value.

Manix, you're looking at my post as me defending Shinori. I'm looking at my post as me attacking faulty reasoning. I would have done the same even if what was said was against somebody else with no votes at all.

[Snike]

That was totally linear vote reasoning.

##Unvote

##Vote: Kay

[BBM]

I personally fakeclaimed PGO in Shining Force Mafia. It kept me alive d1, and I was ok with that.

And just because I may have misinterpreted Kay doesn't mean I agree with the alternative

In SFM, you were town trying not to do die. You are/were accusing Prims of scum trying to coast on a PGO claim- how are these things the same?

[Snike]

Ninja'd.

@BBM: I find scum ask way too many questions as an attempt to mask their lack of content, and that's essentially what I think is going on with you. Kay, on the other hand, has done even less and sort of non sequitored the vote on you, so that's egregiously worse IMO.

[Grace]

Manix, you're looking at my post as me defending Shinori. I'm looking at my post as me attacking faulty reasoning. I would have done the same even if what was said was against somebody else with no votes at all.

Okay, let's consider: The fact that you are address the "faulty reasoning" (I'm using quotation marks because I'm only using your wording here) is technically a defense of Shinori in this case. The two are not separate statements, they are linked.

[Zkirsche]

since I don't see why a possible scum!BBM would try to defend scum!Shinori when he had like 3 votes.

I was thinking about it being a slip, BBM might've panicked from the rising pressure on his teammate and defended him without thinking about it, in typical BBM fashion (no offence).

Nice sheeping.

That tends to occur when someone is obviously scummy.

Yes, claiming early as PGO is town-like, but after all acting town-like is what mafia is trying to do. What's your point? Are you saying you think Prims is town, or is this just a point in favor of him being town.

Yes its maf's job to look town, but why would maf essentially waste a role as strong as PGO when Prims is perfectly smart enough to simply sit back and manipulate all of us regardless. Fairly sure Prims is town right now tbh, and I think that most allegations against her are unfounded, and yours seems especially stubborn.

Elie, can you explain why you originally said that your vote was not RVS earlier in the day, but was then like "thank me for ending RVS"? Are you saying that your little (and yes it was little, looking back, your posts against Prims were mostly short) Prims push was simply for teh sake of generating discussion, because I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[Shinori]

Prims is a he kirsche.

[Zkirsche]

Right, all allegations against him etc etc.

I swear I always get that wrong.

[Kay]

Quickly saying something before I eat (I'll say more after I come back).

I'm not really sure why Snike is voting for me? If it's because I use too many question marks (?), that's just my typing style. And I'm not sure at all why Kay is voting for me.

Also Rein, your post linking to your role doesn't work for me (and apparently the role in the flip is different from what's in postgame) so can you just say what post exactly it is in the thread?

Kay, talking about game theory is not bad- it's just that it's not good either. And I honestly haven't seen any posts from you that try to do anything of value.

Manix, you're looking at my post as me defending Shinori. I'm looking at my post as me attacking faulty reasoning. I would have done the same even if what was said was against somebody else with no votes at all.

I am trying to do something, I'm just honestly not that good at scumhunting and constantly getting lynched for it is really annoying. What am I doing differently than my normal town meta? Furthermore, what the heck am I supposed to be doing? Yeah, I know, scumhunting, duh, but no matter what I try to do, I'm accused of not scumhunting every single game, so you guys ought to be able to conclude that I'm just a bad player or whatever instead of scummy by now. And yeah, I'm sorry to be posting overly emotionally, but I'd honestly really like to know what to do to not get lynched D1 constantly.

[Elieson]

I never voted RVS votes. I votes prims after his claim, and intentionally blew out out of proportion to create discussion.

It's not that complicated, really.

@kevin

out of all the things prims does (faked a vigshot d1 in Anonydraft, for starters), and all he is capable of, you are saying a generic pgo claim is enough to render him town?

Actually, that gives me an idea. I need to look for specific responses.

[Rapier]

Rapier, I was referring to the populous when I said town, not prims. So, I don't believe him to be town.

I have a feeling that I missed something important, then. You said you only called Prims for his roleclaim for the sake of discussion, and for the sake of presenting an argument worth of a debate. Then you took the vote out of him and, in my view, said he was town. So, really, what do you think about Prims?

Rapier do you have opinions or are you just leaving your vote down because?

Yeah, I do have opinions. I'm buying your Town PGO claim for now;

I'm not buying the case agaisnt Shinori;

I don't like how Kay has been writting huge passive-agressive paragraphs as people stated before since they don't really help, and speculating about your PGO claim being fake or not is kind of pointless, and she's been fluffing more than contributing;

I'm not buying the case agaisnt BBM, he defended Shinori from the crows who took opportunity of his single slip/typo that clipsey found because he found the whole reasoning behind it wrong, what's so bad about it? For me, it can be an opportunistic way to myslinch based on a single mistake that wasn't even that bad or relevant to begin with;

And lastly, Elie has been confusing me more than Evangelion ever did. Would you state your reads to us and stop acting as if you don't have any opinions already? You say you're trying to contribute, but all I am seeing is you acting as a third-party (no, I'm not refering to the role/team/whatever), in third person.

Unvote

##Vote: Elieson