New Prince of Tennis Mafia: Season 1

[Helios]

I just subbed in and wanted to make up for lost time. I thought a list post-style would be the best thing to do to post out all my scumreads since I'm a day late and wanted to make sure I touched on everything I could think of. I understand why you wouldn't like list posts but really a list post only looks scummy if either just about everyone you talk about is a townread or if you don't contribute much EXCEPT the occasional list post (and I would know since I was lynched over a list post once lol).

[scorri]

Okay, I return from two days filled with more work than expected, but *shrug* what can you do. Thoughts on what's happened since I left. Well... Helios's one post has made me feel better about him than pretty much everyone else in the thread, dunno exactly why, but it did. So there's that.

Besides that, I agree with the general consensus that Bal needs to post things that are actual game content as opposed to flavor stuff that isn't actually useful, I still don't like Bizz's reactions to things and feel like she's pushing on weird things like Helios's post that was actually a pretty good post, gave good scum reads, and wasn't a useless list post. I'd be ok with either of these lynches. Still prefer Bizz's right now though. I feel like Life's idea of waiting a cycle to lynch someone is... odd, but not especially scummy. I remember in older games that was a thing that would happen sometimes and *shrug* I'm willing to give that a pass for right now.

Reminder that if I'm not giving reads on someone it means I have either a town read or a null read on them and don't feel like explaining which.

[Percivalé]

I don't like that scorri continues to tunnel on me but ok

There are other things but I have another hour until rehearsal is over

[scorri]

Bizz: If you've done nothing to change my view of you, then yes, I'm going to continue voting you. I'm not saying you're the only scummy person in the game, but as of right now, you are the person I find the scummiest.

[Percivalé]

Hi I'm (finally) back from rehearsal

Things that I need to do include reading over Scorri's posts again because the only things I remember are "I don't think Paper is that bad" and "Bizz is scum" and in her #127 she's doing that thing where she explains she'd be all right with Bal's lynch/wants Bal to post more content but leaves it at that and continues to hound me. She mentions no one else but adds that safe "they're either town or neutral for me but I won't explain which." Wonderful, because that seems protown (in regards to not revealing town reads) but tbh it also comes off empty to me. Not lazy, just safe.

I'm going to be more concise about my reads so far: I won't out town reads beyond Prims and slightly RD (since I kinda mentioned them aloud without thinking, oops); I still have mixed feelings on Paper. I'm aware that what I said about his defenses while I was voting him seemed pretty contradictory (considering I was voting him) because what happened was that I'm starting to like some of his content--his first impression still makes me uneasy. Something else that makes me uneasy was his behavior when I voted for Bal, but I actually don't want to get into that now until I feel it's necessary (because I might be jumping to conclusions).

Bal is still up there and hasn't changed. It's not only that he commented a lot on flavor, but his other 'contributions' were merely small sidestep comments and questions (asking for clarification) posed to seem like he was trying to come to some sort of conclusion but hasn't really... posted anything concrete related to the players.

I have mixed feelings about Eclipse. It seems like she was voting people for the wrong reasons. Her vote on me was okay but her vote on Blitz was weird as fuck and she jumped her suspicion from me to Blitz pretty quickly, too.

I think my definition of 'listpost' is different from what you guys are describing so it's going to be hard clarifying what I meant about Helios's first post. What I meant was not anything against the content of the post. The content was good, it just felt a lot like he has an easy pass since his predecessor had zero content and all he had to do was "I think this, this, and this" and that's it. It gave me a weird feeling but I don't think Helios is scum solely based off of that and he has a good vote so, again, I'm dumb

[Percivalé]

Erm, to clarify further, I think Eclipse is scummier than Paper regarding recent content.

[scorri]

Bizz: I don't get why you're so hung up over the fact that I'm "hounding" you unless it's literally just because it's you that I'm doing this to. Would you prefer that I decide to stop trying to get someone I think is scummy lynched just because they say I'm tunneling or that I'm wrong? Like... nothing has made me change my scum read on you, so I'm going to continue calling for your lynch. I really don't see the problem here.

[Percivalé]

Bizz: I don't get why you're so hung up over the fact that I'm "hounding" you unless it's literally just because it's you that I'm doing this to. Would you prefer that I decide to stop trying to get someone I think is scummy lynched just because they say I'm tunneling or that I'm wrong? Like... nothing has made me change my scum read on you, so I'm going to continue calling for your lynch. I really don't see the problem here.

Did you even read my whole post or just the part where I decided to use the word 'hound' because there are other things I addressed there that you didn't respond to. (Sorry, I don't mean to pull the "do you even read my posts" shit again because I'm not trying to do that just to say it this time)

Plus, it seems like you've talked more about being suspicious of me than anything else in the game and you only mention other users when prompted or on sparse occasion

you have a right to be suspicious of me

[scorri]

No, I did read it, and I'll agree that I could probably stand to post more, I've just been busy which sucks but hopefully won't be true starting soonish. But you keep tossing out words like tunnel and hound that are painting me in a bad light when it's only been half a cycle. Those are really strong words for how short of a time it has been. It just seems off.

[Percivalé]

but isn't that kind of what you've been doing

are you actually getting to the point where you're suspicious of me because of the vocabulary I've been using? Then what the fuck was with "Bizz pushes on weird things" comment that you made when you're being hypocritical about it?

[Percivalé]

I hope Paperblade isn't doing that scum meta thing he does where when two people are occupied with each other he kinda sits back and says nothing

[Paperblade]

I actually read over scorri's posts after reading Bizz's big post, and I have to agree that scorri has been pretty forgettable. If you find yourself having a lot of town or null reads, you need to something to change that because otherwise you aren't really doing anything and it just looks like you're active lurking, since if you just sit back it's try asking people questions to get a feel for their thoughts and see if they say something weird.

Like, for example: What do you think of eclipse's vote on Blitz?

[scorri]

Paper: I don't find anything weird about it. It's a valid point that leaving an RVS vote with no reasoning behind it isn't a great idea. But, since Blitz is about to post, that may change things.

[Blitz]

I can live with that.

##Unvote

##Vote: Blitz

Paperblade RVS vote is okay. Leaving it without any explanation is not okay.

I did give a reasoning, but if you didn't like it, shouldn't you have said what you didn't like about it

while you are at it, give me a reason as to why you would even bother with an RVS vote if you aren't even gonna take a read from it.

Uhh I'm not seeing the reasoning for Blitz lynch at this juncture. He did just explain why he's still on Paper in his #80.

eclipse: "He's answering things in relatively calm manner" dude you go on about how emotion is a null tell every game and then you handwave away a wagon because of the manner in which the guy is responding to accusations with? Also, all my posts past page 1 RVS were game related or poking people into explaining themselves, and I had a lot less than RD or Levity. Given what I just said about Blitz your content so far looks like a lot of misrep. Are you sure we're reading the same thread?

##Unvote

##Vote: Balcerzak

Decent wagon, strongly dislike his response to Paper's vote because that sort of chiding stifles discussion more than anything (you're not defending yourself or even better finding a better target, you're just wasting a post to put your attacker down). Other stuff already covered, this guy needs to be pressed.

Paperblade has looked better from responses + content anyway; don't find the thought that he just wanted Blitz to Do Something unbelievable for town.

Heads up, I'm gonna be on a train for most of today. I might still post using a shitty laptop but don't count on it.

agreeing with Balc not being helpful, his only good post I can think of was where he did an analysis on the anime, but that hardly had anything to do with the players playing this game here.

I'm going to take another look through the topic before I post more of my thoughts

looking forward to that

@Paperblade, I couldn't find that post to quote, but I only go after ITPs when they are trying to lay back and enjoy themselves, RD didn't seem like doing that.

going to

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##Vote: Balc

[Life]

What the fuck is an RVS vote or whatever?

[Paperblade]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13710

[Life]

That means work.

What circle of hell did I enter coming into a NOC game? I'm bored to shit.

[Paperblade]

tldr: RVS (random voting stage) is the first votes of the game made when people have nothing or next to nothing to go on; the goal of RVS is to get out of RVS and discuss things that are relevant. Usually here votes are made to get reactions out of people.

[eclipse]

Prims - You forget meta, which works alongside emotion. Also, take a look at the timing on the posts - it's not like Paper gave himself an hour to compose the perfect answer. Both of these together tell me that Paper's probably not worth voting right now. You're still equally guilty of spamming, no matter what the timing is; the fact that you felt the need to tell everyone else not to struck me as odd. What's also odd is how you said you don't want a Blitz lynch, despite the fact that over half the phase remained. If everyone thought Blitz was off, they'd vote; otherwise, my vote would sit there. Why be so concerned about it?

Kay - The logic behind your vote isn't something I agree with, especially given that there's no hammer in this game unless all night actions are in. Do you think I'm scummier than Paperblade? You spend more time talking about him than me.

Bizz - You don't seem to like much of anything. I vote people to get things out of them; in your case, it was to get your vote elsewhere. Also, why so calm when I vote for you and then you get up in arms when scorri presses you?

Blitz - My read from RVS was that leaving it on someone who had gone to bed wasn't helping at all, especially when there were active people at the time. My votes are used to get things out of people, and THEN put together everything before making something more solid. Now that scorri's talking (which would've been the point of the RVS vote), I can derive a read off of her.

Glad everyone showed up. Helios is scum because he forgot to mention me. I'm not particularly happy with Bizz for her reaction to Helios' list post, and her reaction to scorri, which was vastly different to her reaction to my vote. I also don't like Prims' reaction to my vote on Blitz - that felt too defensive for two votes out of eleven. I'm starting to feel less confident in RD, because stuff has happened, and he's not saying much about it. I think Blitz should be using his vote differently (especially early), but whatever. I'm not sold on whether or not Bal was being random because it was early or because he's scum, and I really don't like how Life is doing a whole lot of nothing. Actually, that last one bugs me the most.

##Unvote

##Vote: Life

Other than complaining about votes on you, who do you think should be lynched? Everyone has posted, so there's no lack of information there.

(if I didn't mention you in any way, shape, or form, I don't think you're worth a vote right now)

[Percivalé]

eclipse my bigger post should answer most of the questions you just asked me ???????????

I'm not attacking Scorri for voting me but for pretty much being completely unmemorable other than when she goes in to remind everyone how suspicious I am

and I react negatively to votes on me that I think are hypocritical, or that are flimsy

[Percivalé]

Actually Eclipse have you been paying attention to what I said? I don't like saying things and then having to explain myself again but here's something else

I explained why I didn't like Helios's post, you can go read the post I spent a while typing up to clarify everything

I already mentioned liking some of Paper's content, liking Prims's content, and liking RD's contributions since at least he was legitimately trying, but would rather not say anything much else about things that I like because fmpov that only helps the scum narrow down who they should kill later, who they should keep alive to give them an advantage later, etc.

Prims is right in that you've been misrepping a lot of things so far and don't have much material to back yourself up either

[Paperblade]

Agreeing with eclipse here (but leaving my vote on Bal because I'm not gonna give him a free pass to do nothing just because he's not around), Life needs to start doing things--either try to contribute despite his hatred of NOC or sub out.

[Life]

##Unvote

##Vote: Life

Other than complaining about votes on you, who do you think should be lynched? Everyone has posted, so there's no lack of information there.

(if I didn't mention you in any way, shape, or form, I don't think you're worth a vote right now)

Anyone who looks like that they're trying to actively control the lynch. Hence my vote on Bizz.

[Percivalé]

Paperblade has a lot of passively agreeing with people in his recent posts

[eclipse]

I know you did, Bizz, but I still don't like the fact that you blurted it out and felt the need to explain it later. If you think a vote is flimsy, then it won't hold up, and people will vote elsewhere, no? If you think I'm misrepping you, deal with it. This is what I'm deriving based off of what I see. Spur-of-the-moment things are more telling than stuff you've had time to think about IMO.

Lifey, who else looks strange? I'm positive this game doesn't have only one scum in it.