Shining Force 2 Mafia: Game Over

[Percivalé]

Bizz might not be voting but at least she's analyzing what people are saying. Rocker just said "oh shucks we lost the cop" and then left it at that.

I'm voting Rocker

[Xinnidy]

Active lurking isn't the same as lurking. Active lurking is posting for the sake of posting just so that you don't get called out for lurking basically. Kinda like what you did earlier posting 4 null reads lol. I realize scorri was pretty much just trying to say that she's not gonna be around today but I think there was stuff she could have actually touched on that she didn't, hence the vote. It's not really strong reasoning but hey ED1 boiiii.

I think Sho is town, not null.

If anything, I also think Bizz is town for his n0 claim.

[Ema Skye]

I'm trusting Sho's claim wrt him losing his role, but not experiencing any alignment changes. I like that he posted flavor about it, though I suppose it's possible to forge flavor if you're into that sort of thing. I guess we'll find out Day 2 if we've got a role thief / rolestopper if someone else loses their role. Though I really hope that it's a one-shot ability because it seems really OP.

I like Snike's reasoning for the Marth vote, but I'll hold off on voting for Marth until he provides some kind of defense.

Also not a huge fan of BBM for his very quick serious vote on Mancer right after Day 1 started.

[Percivalé]

Also not a huge fan of BBM for his very quick serious vote on Mancer right after Day 1 started.

Is there a reason you're not a fan of it? Because just from this it sounds like you're going "BBM made a hasty vote on Mancer that wasn't a joke I don't like that." Did it feel aggressive to you?

I think it's better to have a reason to vote earlier on, it gets us out of RVS quicker and we already had a spam-ridden N0, I don't think we need more of that.

[BBM]

"Bizz might not be voting Marth" is what I meant to say.

Lucina, how is making a serious vote instead of a non-serious vote a scummy thing? That last post of your's didn't really say anything, and you didn't back it up with a vote either. If you don't want to vote Marth because he's not here, why not vote me, if you find me suspicious? I'm here and can respond to a vote.

[Snike]

Apologies for the delay, roommate challenged me to a few matches of chess.

Firstly: Since when was mafia a research paper?

"I admit I did the thing. But look at the other people doing the thing!! I'm not the only one guilty of it stop looking at me like that."

What actually bothers me is that you used the role thief assumption to get Sho to claim, but you were super ready to call someone else out for rolefishing.

Yes I made the assumption, No it was not my only reason for trying to get him to claim. I mentioned it in that post you're quoting the Xinnidy remark.

Ugh I am going to try to clarify why I tried to get sho to claim because I don't think I worded that properly:

If a hypothetical role cop ends up scanning someone with sho's role, said person or sho would be promptly lynched for a guaranteed scum down assuming someone doesn't own up beforehand. That's if it was a role thief. Here the claim helps because we find the bad guy through the role claim.

If it's a role deleter, and they end up being shot or scanned, well they get lynched and I look like an ass for doubting that it is a role deleter. I just left this part unspoken. Here the claim helps because the mafia can't just fakeclaim it and get away.

If sho is mafia, he is forced to take a role claim position, which means he can't immediately up and counterclaim the first power role to show up. The benefits of that are obvious.

That's what I was thinking when I made the remark. I made the assumption by not posting the second line, and for that I'm sorry.

With regards to calling someone else out for fishing while then doing the exact same thing, if you would reread my post, I made the remark after I thought about what Xinnidy is saying (Hence the "after thinking things through with that comment"), and realized it made sense. So then I reiterated the call and provided reasons which weren't worded well.

Also please ~cite your sources~ regarding BBM.

MLA or APA? I can't cite if you don't tell me which format. I'm sorry I just want to vent my frustration with this aggression a bit.

Examples?

There's the telling sho to stop coasting, especially the first half of this, which alongside the one liner in this post about scum tend to try too hard, is very productive. On the other hand...

Specific examples might help

Well first of all I'm skeptical of him because of the reasoningfor telling sho to not claim is trash in the sense that it relies on the mafia not being given safeclaims, which we don't know if that is the case or not. Then there's the second half of this post where he brings up cult. That's an instant wrong because of the sheer backdraft that word generates on D1. And earlier, with the vote change and subsequent defense in the cult mention post, I get this feeling he's trying to defend/buddy me, which turns me right off.

So that's why I have mixed feelings about BBM immediately. Now time to respond to things outside of that.

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Right off the bat Sho needs to be shot by firing squad for the 2 votes are better than one philosophy of sheeping. How about provide some reasons aside from that, or at least rehashing reasons in your own words?

I am reading Shinori as town because he's Numbers and wise enough to actually out them.

I do not like Helios in general because of his tone. Using this post as a source, it feels like he's apathetic (probably because of the lol and haha's littering the post), and that irritates me. That said he has a bit of a point regarding scorri's non-response to thread activities, so I'm not inclined to look at him TOOO hard, yet.

Are you claiming Numbers, Shinori?

I'm disappointed that Helios has nothing better to offer than Sho rolespec and what's basically a random vote against Scorri. Helios, what do you think of Marth and the Marth wagon?

BBM stop it. You're asking questions and while the second question is valid, the first question bugs me because that's a kind of filler question, which isn't really pro-town.

WRT Rocker, he also needs to be shot by firing squad for going "oh shit the cop is gone", then disappearing. If you have played epic mafia for any length of time, the reasoning should be obvious.

And Lucina + the rest of the playerlist who hasn't posted d1 yet, talk moar. I don't really want this thread to be Citation Wars: Professor Bizzu VS Delinquent Snike Guest Starring Marth as the Lone Wagonee That's next month.

In conclusion, I spent way too much time on this post.

[charlie_]

Going to start a bit off-topic here.

[spoiler=just a correction]Actually @Lucina...

3. You can paste things told to you by the host. If you want to fake a RolePM, feel free to PM one of the hosts for assistance. Impersonation of a host, however, is banned at all points.

So yeah, it has to be true. This doesn't mean that his alignment is for sure, but it does mean it definitely happened to him. The only fakeable things in the game are role pms, as far as host contact goes.

I feel like Snike's whole role thief assumption could be a scumslip, but the rest of his posts don't feel scummy to me so I'll don't want to judge him just yet. I mean, BBM assumed that Sho was a Tracker and nobody called him out on it, and nobody's voting him. Also, Snike wasn't exactly certain that it was a thief and not a role deleter and his reasoning makes sense.

My primary scumread right here is Rocker. His content is pretty thin on the ground at the moment (yes I'm a hypocrite, deal with it) and with it consisting of posts like this:

So wait. We lose a cop already. Crap.

Also why exactly am i being voted. Were you kidding or serious?

I'll abstain on the Marth case and wait like Leder.

"oh no we lost a cop

no why you vote me

lets continue to do nothing"

And then he posts a "oh I just missed a ton of shit" post and leaves unannounced, as soon as Bizz asked for his reads.

Lucina's last post also caught my attention, as it strikes me as kind of waffly and doesn't have much conviction without a vote behind it tbh. Especially since it's like "he's not here that's why I'm not voting him" for the reasoning, he's not close to being lynched or anything.

Something about BBM bugs me too.

>_>

Well then.

I think Snike's case against Marth is a good one, and since Mancer isn't here and isn't likely to respond much to any pressure put on him right now anyways, ##Unvote, ##Vote: Marth.

What also struck me as a bit off is that while D1 starts have become the norm lately, Marth has played in many N0 starts before, and he never seemed so eager to start things off then. ~meta but I don't really have anything better at the moment.

BBM is kind of just sheeping Snike's argument here, and a lot of his other posts are just questioning people. The whole flip flop from "are you tracker" from when sho said he didn't want to say to "it's probably better that you don't say" bugs me too. Possibly mafia rolefishing. Actually this feels stronger than Rocker since he could just be lazy town, although I'm still pretty happy to vote him.

##Vote: BBM

Just going to stress this point I made regarding Lucina - everyone who's holding out on voting should seriously vote already. I mean, the requirement for lynches probably isn't too low (although it's unrevealed), but there's no point of leaving your vote off, of your scumreads. Same goes for all of the jokevotes, they don't really help much.

[Shinori]

A heads up. I will be busy for most of the day. I've got to do some things and then I have to chaperon a party.

[charlie_]

And Lucina + the rest of the playerlist who hasn't posted d1 yet, talk moar. I don't really want this thread to be Citation Wars: Professor Bizzu VS Delinquent Snike Guest Starring Marth as the Lone Wagonee That's

this is amazing and I am going to sig it

[eclipse]

Hmmm, interesting. My N0 antics left me with some reads.

Fuck. See I did it again SORRY

Eclipse, could you stand to be less vague?? For now I don't think you're scum but it would be a little helpful if you stated what 'irrelevant crap' meant/ give examples/~cite your sources~ (and you were referring to Marth and not Manix, right?), please? Because otherwise you're just posting shit that means nothing to other people.

Sure. If people who walk in the thread post stuff like the following:

Hi peoplethings. I'm back.

And fuck 8 pages. How do you guys manage 8 goddamn pages N0.

I don't actually much to say, except this:

@Leder: Your goal as town...is to look as town as possible? Really? Shouldn't your goal as town to be to get rid of the mafia, and your goal as MAFIA be to look as town as possible?

Also the disjointed thing isn't a big deal, its called being human, we all forget crap.

There's too much spam in the thread. Notepad exists. Use it to consolidate your thoughts before clicking on Post.

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Mafia I have a really scummy role so you should rolecop me instead

That's nice, Bizz. Thanks for letting us know on N0.

Oh wow if there's a role deleter in this game fuck that.

Wait, what? If your role is scummy to the point where you felt it necessary to out on N0, I'd expect you to be jumping for joy at this announcement. Unless your role is scummy and you intend on using it (which doesn't make sense to me).

##Vote: Leder

[BBM]

If someone says "There are 15 town members in the game", asking that person if they're Numbers isn't filler. If I suddenly said "Marth is a Kidnapper please lynch him", wouldn't you ask me if I was a Rolecop?

Also, I heavily disliked that last post by Snike. Let's sum up what he said about everyone.

BBM: some good points but also some bad things, so mixed feelings

Shinori: town (for claiming a role that can be faked by most mafia teams)

Sho: pseudo-town but coasting and not saying anything, so mixed feelings

Helios: apathetic tone but a good point, so mixed feelings

Everyone else: post moar plz

He took both sides on the bulk of his scumhunting, against me and Helios.

[eclipse]

BBM's post with numbers logic has me worried. Why do you feel the need to out your town reads?

[BBM]

Eclipse you ignored almost everything that's been said so far. Besides, just because Bizz has a scummy role that she doesn't plan to use doesn't mean everyone does. Why is she supposed to be happy about something that can neutralize the town's strongest power roles? Case in point: Sho. And calling Bizz out for saying she has a scummy role, when IIRC, both you and Marth did the same, doesn't make much sense to me.

[eclipse]

Did I really just post that?

Don't think Snike warrants a vote yet. I can see his logic, and it doesn't look vote-worthy.

[BBM]

BBM's post with numbers logic has me worried. Why do you feel the need to out your town reads?

That was me summarizing Snike's post. Why would I say I had mixed feelings about myself?

[eclipse]

Eclipse you ignored almost everything that's been said so far. Besides, just because Bizz has a scummy role that she doesn't plan to use doesn't mean everyone does. Why is she supposed to be happy about something that can neutralize the town's strongest power roles? Case in point: Sho. And calling Bizz out for saying she has a scummy role, when IIRC, both you and Marth did the same, doesn't make much sense to me.

Obviously, I don't think it's as important. Do I look like I give a shit about the role deleter? I also really appreciate being misrepped about what I said N0, because I did NOT say anything about my role being scummy.

That, along with what you're pointing out and those questions earlier makes me think that you're not a bad lynch target for today. . .but I think my vote is fine where it is. This is very interesting indeed.

(my 'net is kinda slow, so stuff like page loads takes a while)

[Percivalé]

Wait, what? If your role is scummy to the point where you felt it necessary to out on N0, I'd expect you to be jumping for joy at this announcement. Unless your role is scummy and you intend on using it (which doesn't make sense to me).

##Vote: Leder

This is where I'd rather not say anything else -specific- about my role except that it's something that can be interpreted as scummy, but that's the only reason why I don't like having it.

I don't like role deleter bullshit no matter what kind of role I am. Don't waste your vote on me please

More coming in a second because I have Family Plans

[Snike]

this is amazing and I am going to sig it

You cut off part of the line.

Also I'm going to disagree with your previous post that the role modification must have happened, if only because I sincerely doubt that you can't fake results.

If someone says "There are 15 town members in the game", asking that person if they're Numbers isn't filler. If I suddenly said "Marth is a Kidnapper please lynch him", wouldn't you ask me if I was a Rolecop?

Also, I heavily disliked that last post by Snike. Let's sum up what he said about everyone.

BBM: some good points but also some bad things, so mixed feelings

Shinori: town (for claiming a role that can be faked by most mafia teams)

Sho: pseudo-town but coasting and not saying anything, so mixed feelings

Helios: apathetic tone but a good point, so mixed feelings

Everyone else: post moar plz

He took both sides on the bulk of his scumhunting, against me and Helios.

1: No, I would keep my vote on Marth and ask for counterclaims to your more or less hardclaim of rolecop.

2: It looks more like bad things than good things after you take into account the quote after the horizantal rule, but OK.

3: I'm willing to trust him for the time being given that he claimed right off the bat and so far appears to be somewhat productive unlike sho. Speaking of Shinori, he should place a vote before he leaves.

4: What you said I said:

Sho: pseudo-town but coasting and not saying anything, so mixed feelings

What I actually said:

Right off the bat Sho needs to be shot by firing squad for the 2 votes are better than one philosophy of sheeping. How about provide some reasons aside from that, or at least rehashing reasons in your own words?

5: What you said I said:

Helios: apathetic tone but a good point, so mixed feelings

What I actually said:

I do not like Helios in general because of his tone. Using this post as a source, it feels like he's apathetic (probably because of the lol and haha's littering the post), and that irritates me. That said he has a bit of a point regarding scorri's non-response to thread activities, so I'm not inclined to look at him TOOO hard, yet.

ie: There are bigger fish to fry.

You also omitted my remark towards Rocker, but that's basically he needs to post more because popping in thread bemoaning the loss of the ac then disappearing is scummier than sea scum. So I mind that less. But good job, anyways, for putting words into my mouth.

##Unvote

##Vote:BBM

[Prims]

just saying i was serious about that mancer/sho d1 policy lynch. or even better we can create competing wagons on them. all players should support this as soon as d1 starts. this is pretty much the best way to handle d1 and i'm prims so i must be right.

Dear Prims, you are Frayja.

You are a monk from Moun who fled to Pacalon Castle after locking Moun's citizens in their own Devil­invaded city. You feel great regret for your misdeed, and seek to right your wrongdoing by joining the Force to return to Moun and free the city from the Devils that you locked within its walls. Even though you feel perpetual guilt for your misdeed, you are a good man and use the Holy word to repent for your sins. In-game, you possess the incredible Aura magic, which is capable of restoring the entire party's HP (and you learn it the quickest), as well as the impressive Attack magic.

During the night, you may respond to your RolePM with "Night X: [uSER], come my child, let me get a closer look at those wounds". You will cast your Aura magic on [uSER], healing him from all sides. Your Aura magic completely surrounds any given target, you will see [uSER] from all sides, so you will be able to determine his alignment. Since your powerful Aura Level 4 costs so much MP, you will be completely drained after a single use.

<some shit scum doesn't need to know about>

In short, you are the Jack of All Trades (Cop, X, X). All actions are singleuse.

lucina is scum

##Vote: Loocy

[Percivalé]

BBM actually did misrep Eclipse pretty hard too, she never said that her role was scummy (#159) and she also didn't vote me for claiming a scummy role. She voted me because she feels I contradicted myself by saying that I had a scummy role, then turning around getting panicked about the Role Deleter/Thief . The thing is, I don't hate my role, I just wanted town to know ahead of time that it's not the towniest-looking role at all.

Still think Rocker is more worth voting though

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Snike, I am not going to rephrase my voting reasons when they are pure and simple 2 votes pressure more than 1. If I said anything else that would be lying over a matter I have no reason to lie over.

[Percivalé]

annnd ninja'd by primsclaim

[Prims]

Guys Lucina is mafia, I have a scan and he wanted to wait for Marth to post before voting because he's scared people will call him out for wagon hopping too fast. We can stop mislynching Marf now.

[charlie_]

Huh. Missing a win-con there.

Why cop Loocy and use up your shot n0?

[a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes]

Prism, why did you paraphrase Eliedon over your results?