CYOU'RE - Game Over

[Dormio]

When I said that I would read mafia, I lied. I ended up doing other things and then playing video games.

I don't particularly feel like switching to Da Bear.

##Switch BBM

[BBM]

?_? don't know why you thought I was going to produce content in the night phase

honestly I'm not sure if scum!Eury would legitimately try to push me as scum, knowing that her buddy is about to flip and lynching me until at least endgame will be pretty much impossible. I also don't think she read my role correctly, because like I said, if I targeted kirsche to get guaranteed results I would have to waste a night every time my alignments were reset, which would result in far fewer reports. Writing her off as town for now but her paranoia is on a next level if she thinks I randomly decided to hardbus my buddy after my first one had already flipped and the SK had gotten lynched.

[Prims]

sorry for being lame but I'm gonna have another 48-hour night on account of thanskgiving being tomorrow

[Prims]

Day 4

Finally serenesforest.net is fucking dead and I don't have to update mafia! Wait oh no is that marth's corpse???

Bluedoom - Serenes Forest Forums - Town Networker - killed Night 3

also BBM got shot and wanted me to post some stupid meme image for his flip but it wasn't even a hitler pun so who cares, right? Anyway he died. "wow I can't believe prims used both a town cop and a town doc in the same game", people said.

BBM - Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden - Town Cop - killed Night 3

Remember .hack mafia? Me neither.

Non-Flavor Stuff:

- Dormio's a bit late today - he is not allowed to post for the first 24 hours of the phase.

- The servers have crashed! All outside contact is unusable until Night 4.

- BBM targeted Larsa last night, what a gaylord etc.

It is now Day 4. You have 72 hours and 9 minutes to decide on a lynch. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Fighting For They're Lives: (10)

• Da Bear
• Dormio
• eclipse
• Euklyd
• Junk Eurykins
• kirsche
• Mitsuki #HBC J
• Polydeuces Slartibartfast (Baldrick)
• SB.
• #HBC Larsa

Alive Without They're Vote: (1)

• Randa - Dogi, Town Doctor, lynched Day 1, revived Night 1

In Over They're Heads: (10)

• Quote (Via) - Stefan, Town Vigilante, killed Night 1
• Sunwoo (Boron) - Shulk, Town Jack of All Trades, killed Night 1
• Shin - Dio Brando, Serial Killer, lynched Day 2
• Refa - Kiritsugu Emiya, Town Arsonist, killed Night 2
• Reinfleche - Lord Jaraxxus, Town Hydra, killed Night 2
• Paperblade - Max Bialystock, Town Motivator, killed Night 2
• MancerNecro - Necromancer, Mafia Gravedigger / Roleblocker, killed Night 2
• Shinori - Yuno Gasai, Mafia Watcher / Strongman, lynched Day 3
• Bluedoom (Marth) - Serenes Forest Forums, Town Networker, killed Night 3
• BBM - Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden, Town Cop, killed Night 3

Edited November 28, 2014 by Prims

[charlie_]

I hate everything.

Randa, who did you target?

[charlie_]

town

SB. - the best there ever was
BBM - cop
Bluedoom (Marth) - obvtown
J - scum has a hook and watch flip already so she's probtown i guess
Dormio - godfather or town
Eurykins - town via mancer

kirsche - townread+miller probably exists for BBM's role
eclipse - townread

Slartibartfast (Baldrick) - weird meta townread on poly, not that strong tho

Euklyd - null
Da Bear - lol
#HBC Larsa -lmao

PoE

this is where i was pre night stuff, will reread people later I guess

Prims, does the no OC stuff apply to the mafia as well?

[Prims]

It applies to everybody with OC.

[eclipse]

What the hell. BBM should still be alive. ;/

Any other analysis will have to wait - I'm tired, and it's way past my bedtime.

[Baldrick]

The situation looks bad, but where there's a will, there's a way!

BBM missed the opportunity to tell Eury she had "me-level reading skills" :|

Mitsujay's role activated publicly, so I think it could co-exist with Mancer's role at least.

I'd lynch Bear out of the inactives. Larsa's comment about "if I haven't been modkilled" made me think, not posting for a whole phase is pushing his luck, and town is more likely to risk an inactivity modkill; compared to being lynched, it's better for town and worse for scum. Bear however has been posting semi-regularly, but not providing any content so he can't be read.

I thought Eukyld was the first person to push Shinori for his posts on D2, but BBM did it first. Still, it looks genuine to me, notwithstanding it being so close to phase end at the time. Not much to say about the D3 interaction, HEIL BBM.

eclipse, I want you to explain shinori's logic on shin late D2 (I've read your own thoughts on shin) and why you liked it.

Also if by "what the hell" you mean BBM getting a BPV, he chose to act twice that night instead.

##vote: Bear

I want to hear from J as well.

[Randa]

wtf. I targeted BBM and someone else, who wasn't even targeted. I want some answers in post game about this BS. Also why am I still alive.

[eclipse]

The situation looks bad, but where there's a will, there's a way!

BBM missed the opportunity to tell Eury she had "me-level reading skills" :|

Mitsujay's role activated publicly, so I think it could co-exist with Mancer's role at least.

I'd lynch Bear out of the inactives. Larsa's comment about "if I haven't been modkilled" made me think, not posting for a whole phase is pushing his luck, and town is more likely to risk an inactivity modkill; compared to being lynched, it's better for town and worse for scum. Bear however has been posting semi-regularly, but not providing any content so he can't be read.

I thought Eukyld was the first person to push Shinori for his posts on D2, but BBM did it first. Still, it looks genuine to me, notwithstanding it being so close to phase end at the time. Not much to say about the D3 interaction, HEIL BBM.

eclipse, I want you to explain shinori's logic on shin late D2 (I've read your own thoughts on shin) and why you liked it.

Also if by "what the hell" you mean BBM getting a BPV, he chose to act twice that night instead.

##vote: Bear

I want to hear from J as well.

There's four problems with this post.

1. You missed this, which answers your question (the part before the preview edit).

2. That's either a claim or a scumslip, and the former wasn't necessary.

3. I see a non-read (or a very weasly one, but I'm going with "non-read") on Mitsuki, who should be a priority, if (2) was a claim.

4. You must literally be scumreading no one else.

If I'm reading everything right, we're missing three claims (SB, Euklyd and Eurykins). However, I don't think that'll be necessary for today, because of that post I quoted above.

##Vote: Baldrick

I haven't seen any other claimed action that stops other actions, so I'm willing to believe that Mitsuki is town because of it. The fact that it's an investigative role as well means that Prims either made three town roles that give info (never mind that Larsa being targeted seems to generate mod messages), or one of them is scum. Also, I don't care for inactive lynches, unless everyone else is confirmed town.

Euklyd is meh, but that's because everyone else was meh. Should get a better read off of him now that there's a few more flips. Won't have time to do an in-depth read now, MAY have time on Saturday.

[eclipse]

Oh, and second warning: SF randomly locks up on me. Hopefully, this will not coincide with a chunk of free time.

[charlie_]

Reading is hard and stuff, but I don't see where Baldrick explicitly claimed? And premature claims aren't scummy so much as bad play anyway

Rereading stuff now.

[charlie_]

Also kirsche hasn't claimed beyond miller yet I think.

[eclipse]

BBM had the option of using his action once and getting a BPV for the night, or using his action twice. Baldrick couldn't have known which option BBM chose, unless it was by role (even if they had OC, BBM could very well say one thing and do something else).

[charlie_]

BBM said it in thread what he did though?

Post seems unlikely to happen at this point because my motivation pretty much got nightkilled alongside BBM and Marth, and I'd honestly agree with Baldrick for and would be down with essentially a policy lynch on Larsa for not having made a post in 8 days. The fact that we've essentially had one mislynch and a scum got vigged and yet we're still in such a bad situation is terrible.

[Baldrick]

1. If that's your answer, I'm still unsatisfied. Logic is using reasons to come to a conclusion. Shinori has a conclusion (SHIN CASE BAD) but no reasons. Nothing that would have convinced people who are voting Shin that the Shin case is bad. Look at the Shinori post you grabbed again. If you thought the Shin lynch was good, would that post change your mind? If so, why?

At best, you're projecting your own opinions concerning Shin onto Shinori. At worst, you're hard defending your buddy.

2.

My prize for following my PR the entire D2 was that I could either act twice or act once and have a BPV for that night. This was probably Paperblade since right before he started pushing me he said something like 'hmm I may have made a mistake'. Chose to act twice and I tried to target Euklyd and Shinori.

Emphasis mine. If only your reading skills were half as good as your organisational skills...

3. It's not a read, it's a response to what SB said about Mitsuki.

4. My reads as of last phase were Euklyd, Mitsuki, SB if I wanted to try and draw that bow. You can find them here. I'm more conflicted on Euklyd because of the Shinori push, J has just subbed in so I want to give him some time before breathing down his neck, and I hadn't found anything more to say about SB. I'm an optimist, and hoping against hope some pressure might make bear do something.

[Zkirsche]

Ok so that night extension screwed me up, smash bros is out now so, uh, yeah.

@Eury: If reevaluating reads using logic is flailing around then flailing around isn't scummy. My scumreads were BBM and Mitsuki, neither of whom make sense as scum after they posted that day. Your theory about the interactions between BBM and I are ridiculously contrived and proven false with his flip so I guess I'm done there. Junko was obvtown so leaving you be.

I don't get eclipse's Baldrick case at all and find his content fairly agreeable. I'm townreading most active players though so I'm also in the "lynch inactive" section. Want to hear more from Euklyd before I go there so

##Vote:Bear

Sheeping for days. Am also for an eclipse lynch on PoE and generally bad play. Looking forward to more eclipse vs Baldrick interactions (when I am bothered to read them).

Ciao going to unlock every character now.

[Prims]

Need a sub for Larsa.

[euklyd]

man I don't even remember Euklyd pushing Shinori I should re-read him

I haven't seen any other claimed action that stops other actions, so I'm willing to believe that Mitsuki is town because of it. The fact that it's an investigative role as well means that Prims either made three town roles that give info (never mind that Larsa being targeted seems to generate mod messages), or one of them is scum. Also, I don't care for inactive lynches, unless everyone else is confirmed town.

wow I had forgotten that Mitsuki claimed a roleblock

ftr there is a hijack floating around that I'm preeeetty sure is town-aligned

there's also a flipped scumblocker

I feel like Mitsuki's role having at least two pieces that are not only shared with scum, but are also the "safe" parts of their roles to claim is kinda odd

so ccs etc

and Refa's logic about her role not necessarily being town in a vacuum due to mechanics still holds

tbh I had written her off as town overnight cause of the flipped scumwatcher, but this is making me reconsider

wheeeeee

reading most of the active people as town or null

[_J_]

Hello there everyone. It's a pleasure as always. I will be reading more in-depth than just my skim-read I have done. I will say that I just got off a 10 hour shift (and two hour nap...lol) from working black friday and I am a tad busy since it is break, but I saw the game needed a replacement so I decided to hop in. I will try and have all my reads coherent and known shortly. If people want to help me get into the game more, I would really appreciate some spark-notes or like a quick hits to the important bits of what I am missing would be super. The only useful thing I can do at the current time is give my honest opinion on current situations and also to clarify any things with roles since it seems as of this page there are some comments regarding me(?) however, I will wait till people directly ask me.

Alright, going to be reading here and there so just holler at me if you need anything.

[eclipse]

BBM said it in thread what he did though?

Still not reliable, since people can claim one thing in-thread and do something else entirely. Either way, my point stands that BBM shouldn't have died, since Randa claimed to be on him.

This is going to be long.

1. Okay, this is a bad response to my post, and here's why. First, Shinori's logic is "I don't get the Shin case". That's not asking to GET OFF a wagon, nor would I expect anyone to do so. That, to me, sounds like someone needs to slow down and explain things to Shinori, who isn't convinced about the Shin case. Furthermore, the conclusion you drew from that is horribly faulty - I explained that I didn't find Shin particularly scummy, so of course I wouldn't think Shinori was scum because of it. I honestly can't understand what you don't understand, because this line of logic makes perfect sense to me. I also can't see how you think that's a defense of Shinori - if anything, that's a defense of SHIN (right down to the refusal to vote him).

2. The fact that you're being very snippy about this, and the fact that I was talking about a dead BBM tells me that I hit a sore spot. I was operating under the assumption that Paperblade's ability was permanent, as opposed to one-night. This was probably a faulty assumption, but it was rendered moot when Randa claimed to have targeted BBM.

3 and 4. What are your reads NOW? That vote is contingent on the hope that Bear logs on, and that's outside of everyone else's control.

Er, a little help here, Euklyd. I can see that you're trying to say something about Mitsuki, but I get lost about halfway through.

J - your best bet is to click on Mitsuki's ISO, and then try to figure things out from there. I'm not scumreading your slot, on the basis that what she claimed was the town's only way of blocking actions (even though Euklyd's theory is that there's a town-sided hijacker somewhere). Would suggest that everyone else pitch in a read on Mitsuki, so that J can actually respond to things.

Beginning to dislike kirsche - it feels like he's trying to step back and watch things unfold, as opposed to pushing things (LIKE ME, if he has such a problem with my slot, then why the hell isn't he doing anything about it besides making random comments). Didn't care for Baldrick's response, and it seems like I hit a sore spot - thus, my vote stays. Won't be voting with the anonymous account, as I'd rather see activity from everyone else at this point (and because this is all of my effort). Nearly half the game is in the "where the hell are you post something now" category, and Larsa just asked for a sub. ;/

[Baldrick]

@kirsche; you say eclipse has had 'bad play' and you said earlier bad play isn't scummy, so does this mean you don't think eclipse is scummy? Would you lynch her over J? You found Mitsuki scummy before, if you're struggling for reads I would've thought they'd get a mention, regardless of the spec about her being vanillaised.

@Euklyd what do you mean by "safe" parts?

@eclipse

1.

Shinori saying "CAN WE STOP WITH THE SHIN LYNCH STUFF" and "like holy fuck why is this a wagon" suggests he had a serious objection to the wagon, and a desire for people to unvote Shin.

I'm not sure what you mean by the faulty conclusion? That is what I thought. If you meant me saying "If you thought the shin lynch was good", I didn't make myself clear there, that was a hypothetical question. i.e "suppose you were someone who thought the shin lynch was good".

Between this and what Euklyd said before, maybe I misread the interaction. I thought Shinori was the point of contention, not Shin.

I considered your discussion in the context of this post, your opinion seems to be a counterpoint to what BBM is saying.

34. Not factoring in Bear/Larsa, I assume.

Mitsuki > Euklyd > Kirsche > Eclipse

The Mitsuki read hasn't changed.

What I said about Euklyd before still holds, even though I mostly agree with his latest posts something feels off (sorry, I know it's a copout, I need to reread them)

Kirsche seems to have an inconsistent read on Mitsuki (inquiring)

I don't like your reaction to my post, points 2-4 seem contrived. I'm not convinced the "sore spot" argument is meaningful, that kind of thing happens all the time and I don't think it's indicative of any alignment.

If you want more activity, I'd suggest making some inquiries. Personally, I find it easier to respond to something than to make a post from re-reading alone.

[Zkirsche]

Beginning to dislike kirsche - it feels like he's trying to step back and watch things unfold, as opposed to pushing things (LIKE ME, if he has such a problem with my slot, then why the hell isn't he doing anything about it besides making random comments).

That's because I am. If you're just going to argue with Baldrick I can just read that later and play smash instead. Considering my point earlier was that you're not really scumhunting it'll become apparent if you want to find scum anyway.

Out of interest, you complain about the inactives at the bottom so what's wrong with voting them if you have townreads on everyone else?

you say eclipse has had 'bad play' and you said earlier bad play isn't scummy, so does this mean you don't think eclipse is scummy?

No because what eclipse was doing wasn't bad play it's scummy play (never even said eclipse had bad play). It's very easy content to coast on and pretend to scumhunt with.

I had a mituski scumread, then it turns out she was vanillarised. It makes no sense for scum!her to claim vanillarised in that situation, just because becoming vanilla means you lose all your value to the town. This is what I was referencing by saying I was reevaluating my reads, and no, reevaluating reads does not mean I'm inconsistent with them. There's also the rolespec stuff that others have mentioned.

I just remembered that Dormio is in this game. Him and bear should actually case someone!

Bear = Dormio > eclipse > Larsa >> Euklyd

eclipse's Baldrick stuff is making me feel slightly better although I still feels like there's too much policy going on (specifically the "sore spot" bit). Still mostly undecided on Euklyd/Baldrick, Euklyd's post always scream of unnecesssary paranoia though, especially regarding Mitsuki, and they don't seem to have much else, so that's why he's up there. Euklyd who would you want lynched most out of the inactives (Larsa/Dormio/bear)? Would you rather we lynch J instead?

J you should ISO eclipse or Baldrick, not your ex-slot.

[Dormio]

Surprise! Everyone's favorite Dormio is back!

I just remembered that Dormio is in this game. Him and bear should actually case someone!

And I was cut by this!

Anyway, first things first.

People I can't read due to a lack of content: Larsa

Posts on other people incoming.

One thing though. Are the ISOs for Polydeuces/Slartibartfast broken for anyone else?