Carmine Sword

Chapter 2: 26/51 I was super salty at this chapter because the first time through Sigurd procced too much defense and wouldn't get attacked by Beowulf's Squad, making it so Ethlyn couldn't get the Paragon Ring and Sigurd wouldn't have a crit Steel Sword for the boss, so I had to reset. It fucking sucked. Ethlyn put in a tom of work this chapter between pot-shotting with the Light Brand and Returning everyone. She got the Paragon Ring from the dude and them did the arena and spammed Return to reach promotion after which Deirdre Warped her to Mackily to help clear the way for Sigurd. Recruited Lachesis for the Knight Ring/Thief Sword/Miracle Sword/Earth Sword. Free shit is cool! After Chapter 3 Arena (Fury will go to the arena after Levin kills the cross knights and sells the Paragon Ring and Arden will probably finish the arena for the first time ever with the power of Ayra's Brave Sword.) EDIT: These will all probably be wrong now because I forgot to move Lachesis to talk to Eldigan so I have to reset. Chapter 3: 15/66 To Merc Dude: 4 Turns Sigurd and co went up while Levin and Lachesis went left to deal with Eldigan and his cross knights. Sigurd has to crit the boss with the Steel Sword because he couldn't double and 3HKO the boss with the Brave Lance. Ethlyn returned Sigurd and herself after he seized. Fury got the +3 strength village To Lord Douchebag: 5 Turns Levin murdered all of the cross knights to reach promotion level, then Ethlyn returned him so he could promote and use Warp. Arden took the Paragon Ring from Levin and cleared out the rest of the arena before selling it so Fury could take it and clear the arena too. Sigurd ORKOed Chagall with the Brave Lance. Harold poofed out of existence because I seized so soon lol. YO HO HO: 6 Turns Returned Sigurd, then Warped him with Levin. Fury killed half of the huge wave of pirates but the hand axe guys wouldn't attack her because she had too much avoid so Levin warped Ethlyn and ARDEN to help clear them out. Fury got the Leg Ring unfortunately, but Sigurd has a ton of excess cash from Deirdre so it's not that big a deal. Briggid killed a bunch of stuff and then Fury bailed her out so that Briggid could talk to Aideen to get the Yewfell. Midir got his conversation with Briggid so hopefully they'll fall in love without wasting too many turns? Sigurd needed to crit the boss again but the Steel Sword has 70 kills so it wasn't too bad. Dew and Holyn just went around potshotting Brigands for money and getting villages. Also RIP Deirdre and Ethlyn, your services were much appreciated. Ethlyn's Inventory for Leif (And Deirdre's stats too I guess): Chapter 4: Too Many Turns/96 Tired, more details in the morning maybe. Midir ate all of the villagers to reach level 20. He and Midir stood next to each other the whole chapter. Levin got Forseti and he and Fury got married. Sigurd capped his level and got a bunch of kills on the Brave Sword and a few on the Light Brand. Units after Chapter 5 Arena (Except Dew because his stats don't matter): Chapter 5: 18/114 Sigurd rushed ahead and murdered everything while Fury killed the dracoknights and chipped Reptor since Sigurd didn't have enough HP to tank a Mjolnir when he got there. Briggid and Midir got married finally and Briggid distracted some of Reptor's dudes from across the wall I guess. Levin healed and Warped dudes. Everyone else did pretty much nothing. Stats later because I'm tired. Fury passed down a bunch of swords that Sigurd didn't need and Sigurd passed down all the rings and the Brave Sword/Light Brand. Brave Sword is at like 61 kills iirc. Light Sword is only at 27 or so. EDIT: Chapter 6 is impossible. Radney and Seliph get hit by 30 hit axes and die and there is no way to burn RNs. Both Hard Reseting and loading the chapter save after Seliph dies do nothing. I literally cannot get past turn 3. EDIT 2: Chapter 6: 20/134 Due to the lack of arena to burn RNs, I had to waste several turns moving Seliph to not optimal spaces so that he wouldn't die due to being hit by multiple 30s in a row. Radney got like no exp either since the RNG string would just get her killed by multiple 30s hitting in a row. I even had to sack Julia so that Seliph would survive Johan's squad. Fee got the Skill Ring and killed Johalva. I actually could have seized Turn 19, but the RNG string would have caused Seliph to get hit by a 28 hit attack from Dannan and die so I had to wait a turn for Fee to get in range of Johalva's squad and attack them to burn RNs. At least Seliph promoted? He's speed screwed though. Chapter 7: 19/153 Seliph promoted and is pretty ridiculous. He basically soloed most of the chapter since no one else could keep up. Shanan killed the guys near Yied while Patty chipped some dudes to get some money. Leif returned home and bought the Paragon Ring, and then finished the arena and killed most of the dudes at Darna except for the promoted guy who Shanan killed instead. Fee went down and killed a bunch of stuff down there and got of the villages and stole a bunch of money with the Thief Sword so she can re-but the Paragon Ring for the Chapter 8 arena. Radney got hit by dank mages over and over so Julia could get heals in. Chapter 8: 15/168 Just a Seliph bum-rush mostly. Recruited Faval and Ced and they did the arena mid-chapter I guess. Julia managed to beat the first 6 arena matches. Seliph got an absurd 45 kills on the Light Brand this chapter. He also capped level. Leif killed some thwomps near the start and promoted. Fee reached level 20 so she'll promote next chapter. Chapter 9: 14/182 Seliph and Leif rushed ahead and left everyone else behind to seize the second castle to recruit Sharlow. Radney baited Hannibal closer to Sharlow so that he could recruit him before Seliph and Leif got to the 3rd castle. Julia took the Paragon Ring and spammed Warp until she had good enough stats to clear the arena, then finished that and promoted. She warped Shanan and Ced over to the 2nd castle so they could go up and collect the villages. Had to rig Arion to not proc Continue because he 2HKOs Seliph and Leif even with their maxed out defense stats (and Shield Ring in Seliph's case). Could have killed him if I had moved Leif a bit further on one of the turns, but I don't really care about the Miracle Ring and Leif has the Bargain Ring anyway so money isn't really a problem for him. Oh, and Faval killed Altena. Not sorry. Chapter 10: 16/198 To Chronos: 3 Turns Rescue!Leif kreygasm. He rescued Seliph on Turn 2 so he could seize on Turn 3. Everyone else cleared out enemies. Hannibal could double and ORKO dank mages after I gave him THE POWER OF PURSUIT. To Rados: 4 Turns I didn't have anyone to kill the dank mage blocking the way in front of the castle so Seliph had to do it himself which cost a turn. To Miletos: 4 Turns Rescued Seliph back with Leif and he ran up to the castle. Ced Restored him along the way and Fee killed Ishtar so that Seliph could reach the castle and kill the boss to seize. To Grillmaster: 5 Turns Could have seized on Turn 15 if Seliph had the magical ability to ORKO Arvis by himself, but uh, he can't, so had to wait a turn for Leif to Rescue Shanan far enough ahead to ORKO Arvis. At least this let me get Fee's +5 strength conversation? Shota Sigurd spammed Return and Physic all chapter and ate most of the children except for two that Radney and Patty got instead. Oh yeah, Radney reached level 20 so she promoted after Shota Sigurd Returned her home. I think she's horribly HP screwed. The End: 18/216 To Edda: 3 Turns Seliph rushed while Leif, Fee and Ced followed behind. Leif Rescued Fee ahead on Turns 2 and 3 to get in range to kill an enemy blocking Seliph's path to the throne. To Dozel: 3 Turns Leif Warped Seliph back to Chalphy and then Returned himself with the Return Ring. Shanan killed a few axe dudes and chipped some other ones. He, Radney, Patty, and Faval helped Seliph clear out the remaining axe dudes/healbots next turn and Seliph reached the castle the following turn. To Freege: 5 Turns I feel like 4 turns could be possible if you had someone to kill a Baron blocking Seliph's path to the throne, but nobody can keep up with him so he has to kill it himself. Leif just rescued Seliph or Ced ahead every turn (need Ced to Restore Seliph/Leif when they get put to sleep.). Book of Naga Is Only A Suggestion: 7 Turns Faval killed the pegasus sisters and half of the deadlords from across the wall while Seliph killed the rest of them. Leif Rescued Faval over the wall and he murdered Julius with the power of memes over 2 turns. He could have theoretically killed Julius in one turn if he proced Charge 4 times, hit every time and dodged Loptyr 3 out of 4 times. I just took the extra turn for my sanity. Final Turncount: 216

PROGRESS Prologue: 12/12 To Jungby: 5/5 Uh, Sigurd went ahead and killed stuff. Ethlyn and Arden killed a Brigand, whoop. To The Other Castle: 7/12 Had to slow down a bit to heal dudes at the church and un-clog the mess of dudes on the bridge. Got the Silver Sword at least. Arden slowly killed the guy attacking the speed ring village and got it on the last turn. Chapter 1: 23/35 Castle I: 5/17 Sigurd took the Speed Ring to ORKO stuff with a Javelin. He just went down and killed most of the enemies while Ethlyn and Midir cleaned up for exp. Arden stayed home to burn RNs and stuff. He got through like half of the arena though! Dew tanked Ayra and stole her cash. Castle II: 7?/24 Recruited Ayra for the Brave Sword later. Got the Return and Warp Staves. Sigurd got way ahead of everyone else again and killed most of the enemies. Dew gave Sigurd his cash so Sigurd could repair the Steel Sword. Castle III: The Rest Of The Turns/35 Eh, forest made Ethlyn lag behind Sigurd so he had to not move one turn so she could catch up and heal him since Jamka almost killed Sigurd the fucker. Deirdre really wanted to not be useless and got like 5 levels somehow. Had to use the Iron Lance to kill the boss since the Steel Sword didn't have enough might and doesn't have crit yet. It's really close though! Units after Chapter 3 Arena:

Radney and Holyn.

Midir and Dew.

@Shin

Having trouble pasting the image with the order, but it's Me, Terrador, Shin, Horace. It's on Discord if you think I'm a FILTHY LIAR. Give me staff horse and her staff horse son. @Terrador

What. Sure we can ban that. Now Briggid will be a top pick so that FAVAL can save all the turns against Julius.

Wait, Berserk!Hel actually works?

Just finished FE4 for the first time the other day and had a great time. Felt like doing a draft for it to see how little I've improved since last time. Drafting: 1. This draft is for 4 players. 2. Sigurd, Deirdre, Seliph, Ardan, Hannibal and Julia are free for all to use. 3. When any mothers are drafted, their children come with them. Example: Drafting Ayra gives you Ayra, Larcei and Ulster. Rules: 1. Undrafted units may only: Recruit characters, participate in Talk conversations and special events that do not require the participants to be lovers. 2. Undrafted units may not do anything not listed above, including but not limited to meatshielding, giving Charisma bonuses, using the Give command, or participating in Lover/Sibling criticals. 3. Other and Neutral units may do as they please without penalty. 4. Arena use is allowed and encouraged. 5. Berserking the Hel dude to kill Julius for you is BANNED you cheeky sods. Penalties: 1. Non-holy weapon users (Noish, Ayra etc.) have a 3 turn penalty per unit per castle. 2. Holy weapon users (Levin, Shanan etc.) and Dancers have a 7 turn penalty per unit per castle. Example: Using Noish (if undrafted) en route to Jungby results in a 3 turn penalty. Once Sigurd seizes Jungby, you take another 3 turn penalty if you use Noish while en route to Evans. 3. Using the Give command is a special 12 turn penalty. Exceptions: 1. Generation 1 units may lose a bout in the Arena and then die to an enemy while unequipped to prevent them getting married. The enemy must have no other friendly units in his attack range and must finish the character in a single round. 2. Midir is free to be attacked in the prologue, but must head back towards the home castle. 3. Briggid, Claude and Tiltyu are free to use in Chapter 3. 4. Dew may lower the bridge in Chapter 4 if undrafted. He may not perform any other disallowed actions without penalty. 5. Leif, Fin and Janne are free to use in Chapter 7. 6. Shanan is free to use in Chapter 7 until Yied is seized. Units: Teams: Carmine: (Ethlin, Leif, Altenna), (Fury, Fee, Ced), Levin, Midir, Dew, (Briggid, Faval, Patty), Shanan, Radney, Holyn, SharlowTerrador: (Sylvia, Leen, Corple), Lex, Claude, Oifaye, Noish, Janne, (Ayra, Larcei, Ulster), Dimna, Hawk, JohalvaShin: (Aideen, Lester, Lana), Fin, Femina, Alec, (Tiltyu, Arthur, Tinny), Tristan, Beowulf, Johan, Roddlebad, AsaelloHorace: Laylea, Quan, (Lachesis, Delmud, Nanna), Ares, Azel, Mana, Linda, Daisy, Amid, Jamka

The thing to keep in mind about the tier list (the reddit one is what you are referring to right?) is that it operates under the assumption that we actually fight the enemies in the dungeons instead of skipping them all. In Clive's case this means that he would already be promoted by 1-7 (possibly Python as well), and the extra exp lets everyone reach benchmarks more easily. I think the lack of dungeon exp and the pace of the run won't make it possible for Clive to surpass Mathilda in this context. Although on the topic of dungeon exp, in drafts of Echoes we were allowed to fight each dungeon encounter once each, and perhaps the most notable aspect of this was that it gave whichever male villager you got to loop from Dread Fighter to Bow Knight in Fear Shrine to basically handle the rest of the act by themselves due to their massive stats. I'm interested to see just how much the lack of this will impact your turncount. Even without the massive stats of a looped Bow Knight, having multiple Bow Knights is definitely necessary for low turning the later maps in Act 4, so Archer!Kliff will be worth investing into for that.

I did manage to get Sage!Artur to A Staves in time on Ephraim Route in a draft once, although I promoted him in Chapter 8 to start spamming staves earlier, and even then it required doing dumb shit like rigging Joshua to get hit by an axe at 26 displayed hit so that Artur would be able to use a staff on Turn 1. You need to ask yourself if the one turn Sage in Chapter 20 over Bishop is worth it at that point.

Chapter 19: 6/102 Sent Sirius to the Drill Grounds once to reach C Axes as a Dracoknight. Forged a +3 Ridersbane so that Sirius could OHKO Paladins. Marth walked all the way around while Sirius and Caeda cleared out enemies for him. Luke killed a few things too I guess. Sirius doubled back to kill Vyland's squad and then got danced to be in position to kill the boss next turn. Darros acted as ballista bait so that Merric and Katarina could heal him to boost their staff rank. Merric is 1 staff use away from C Staves as a Bishop. Stats: Marth Lv. 25.42 Lord 48HP/25Str/0Mgc/24Skl/25Spd/25Lck/21Def/3Res B Swords Mathilda Lv. 14/18.00 Paladin 54HP/25Str/5Mgc/28Skl/25Spd/25Lck/22Def/8Res C Swords A Lances Luke Lv. 15/15.78 Horseman 49HP/24Str/0Mgc/26Skl/29Spd/16Lck/20Def/3Res B Swords B Bows Sirius Lv. --/18.98 Dracoknight 48HP/26Str/1Mgc/24Skl/23Spd/14Lck/20Def/4Res A Lances C Axes Caeda Lv. 18/14.04 Falcon Knight 48HP/24Str/3Mgc/26Skl/26Spd/28Lck/18Def/12Res E Swords A Lances Cain Lv. 15/9.20 Sniper 44HP/20Str/1Mgc/25Skl/26Spd/12Lck/17Def/3Res C Bows WRYS Lv. 20/4.65 Sage 32HP/3Str/10Mgc/15Skl/14Spd/15Lck/3Def/19Res D Tomes B Staves Merric Lv. 16/8.72 Bishop 37HP/1Str/17Mgc/18Skl/22Spd/12Lck/13Def/14Res C Tomes D Staves Katarina Lv. --/8.68 Sage 34HP/3Str/13Mgc/16Skl/16Spd/7Lck/9Def/7Res B Tomes C Staves

Chapter 11: 6/62 Promoted Cain. Mathilda went up to kill the boss with Sirius following behind to get some treasure and ARRAN to Rescue Marth. Luke went left, and everyone else went up to get exp. Sirius got to D Axes. Chapter 12: 7/69 Had to slow down a turn or else Marth would die to the reinforcements coming from the top forts. Promoted Caeda to Falconknight and gave her a robe. Gave Sirius a robe, Speedwing, and Goddess Icon. Gave Marth a Dracoshield. Cain and Merric stayed behind to kill reinforcements from the bottom. Chapter 13: 4/73 Marth, Berserker!Sirius, and Caeda went to the boss while everyone else self-improved. Mathilda got 2 physics from the secret shop. Chapter 13x: 2/75 Gave Marth the other speedwing to double the Myrmidons. Caeda, Mathilda, and Sirius went up while Luke took care of Klarise and the bottom enemies. WRYS reached level 20, so WRYS promotion hype. Chapter 14: 5/80 Took an extra turn to feed dragons to people. Cain got Warp. Luke got to B Swords and Arran got to C Staves as a Bishop. Chapter 15: 6/86 Forged a huge +6 Javelin so that Mathilda could ORKO Warriors in Chapter 17 from range, and it was also used here to clear out the huge squad of dudes near the start of the map. Turn 1 was super annoying because Berserker!Leiden needed to use the Devil Axe to ORKO a Ballista, and because he had the lowest defense, the General near the boss would attack him on enemy phase and 90% of the time would either kill Leiden with a crit or Leiden would kill himself with recoil, which was infuriating. Thankfully I managed to get through. The rest of the map was spent killing random dudes for their stuff and sending dudes to the Arena to get money since that Javelin forge was really expensive. Had Feena dance Merric most of the map so he could build staff rank since getting him to Physic would be really nice because he actually has a magic stat unlike Arran or WRYS. Oh, and Marth got to B Swords I guess. Chapter 16: 2/88 Yep. Chapter 16x: 2/90 Exhilarating gameplay! Chapter 17: 4/94 Gave Caeda an Energy Drop to ORKO Warriors with the Lady Sword. Mathilda, Luke, and Merric went ahead while Berserker!Sirius and Xane killed the Dracos coming from the top left. Caeda and Cain helped I guess. Merric reached D Staves as a Sage. Chapter 18: 2/96 Hero!Luke and Swordmaster!Mathilda took care of the thwomps while Marth and Sirius took care of the Paladins near the village. Caeda and Cain thwomped the Wolfguard. Xane got the Arms Scroll. Darros contributed and tanked a ballista!

Chapter 8: 3/47 Yep. Horseman!Luke went up and killed the Snipers and Jeorge, while Cain got fed a thief and a thwomp for a level. Marth also got a Paladin kill set up by Sirius. Mathilda killed most of the thwomps by herself though. Arran got the Leo shard and reached A Lances. Stats: Marth Lv. 12.53 Lord 33HP/14Str/0Mgc/15Skl/15Spd/14Lck/11Def/0Res C Swords Mathilda Lv. 14/7.99 Dracoknight 40HP/26Str/3Mgc/24Skl/23Spd/17Lck/19Def/4Res B Lances E Axes Arran Lv. --/6.43 Dracoknight 27HP/11Str/1Mgc/14Skl/11Spd/4Lck/13Def/3Res A Lances E Axes Luke Lv. 15/3.87 Horseman 37HP/22Str/1Mgc/19Skl/23Spd/12Lck/14Def/3Res C Swords D Bows WRYS Lv. 10.81 Curate 20HP/0Str/5Mgc/8Skl/10Spd/7Lck/3Def/10Res C Staves Sirius Lv. --/5.77 Dracoknight 30HP/16Str/1Mgc/17Skl/17Spd/5Lck/15Def/3Res A Lances E Axes Caeda Lv. 13.82 Pegasus Knight 25HP/12Str/2Mgc/15Skl/20Spd/20Lck/11Def/6Res C Lances Cain Lv. 11.20 Cavalier 28HP/12Str/0Mgc/11Skl/12Spd/5Lck/13Def/0Res C Swords D Lances Feena Lv. 2.36 Dancer Don't Care Chapter 9: 5/52 WRYS Thief Staffed the treasure and Marth walked to the village while every one else cleaned out enemies. Fed Cain two wyverns and a mage. Gave the boss kill to Caeda. Chapter 10: 2/54 Yep. Got the gold with WRYS. Chapter 10x: 2/56 Took an extra turn to feed kills to my unpromoted dudes.

Just decided to start now since none of the remaining units matter. Prologue: Free Did a cavalier Kris named Mathilda with +2 speed/skill, +1 strength/magic, and +30% HP growth for that dank 100% HP growth as a cav. Fed every kill to a drafted unit. Athena got no kills though haha. Got Mathilda to D Lances and about 3/4ths of the way to C Swords, Luke to C Swords, Wrys to D Staves, and got Cain to use a lance 8 times so that he'll have C Lances after promoting. Chapter 1: 4/4 Had to rig the Hunter in the group near Lorenz to have 8 speed so Marth could ORKO it. Had to keep Luke as a cav instead of a Merc for the move. Made Arran a THWOMP so he could tank a bunch of brigands and leave them at low enough HP for Luke to kill without taking a counter. Mathilda fullmoved to Lorenz every turn, needing to dodge 1 axe at any point during the chapter to live. In retrospect I should have forged crit on the Steel Lance to save me a headache on Lorenz but oh well, it's done now. Chapter 2: 6/10 Made Luke a Hunter and Arran a Dracoknight. Forged a +3 Iron Bow so that Luke could finish off the boss after Marth chips him. Was pretty easy since Mathilda and Luke could ORKO everything except the boss, although Mathilda needed Arran to give her the Lady Sword he obtained for her to ORKO a generic Draco. A strength proc mid chapter should let her ORKO Dracos next chapter with a Steel Lance iirc. Chapter 3: 7/17 Had to take an extra turn because Mathilda is the only one who can reach the boss on Turn 6 and she doesn't ORKO. Couldn't forge crit either because I forged a +3 Iron Axe instead so that Pirate!Luke could ORKO Dracos. Mathilda Lady Sword'd the Dracos near the start and Arran thwomped the mountain ones and then the far right ones and then they suicided on Luke. Gave the bosskill to Luke since Mathilda wouldn't have gotten a level from killing him and she's promoting next chapter anyways. Chapter 3x: 6/23 Fed thwomps to Marth. Luke got so much strength last chapter that he ORKOs these thwomps with the Iron Bow forge and Taurus as a Hunter. Made Arran a Sage to heal dudes. Dracoknight!Mathilda flew ahead and saved WRYS. Chapter 4: 3/26 Rescued General!Mathilda over to kill the Pirates and then Rescued Marth next turn. Chipped the boss with an Iron Bow and fed it to Sirius. Luke went cav and tanked pirates so Wrys could heal him. Chapter 5: 5/31 Couldn't get any Sniper kills since pretty much everyone was needed to get thwomps out of Marth's way so he could seize in time. Luke stayed behind to get the Physic Staff. Chapter 6: 6/37 Took the left side this time. Sirius went Sniper and killed the Bishops on the right. Luke killed the mages in the treasure room and Arran went Bishop to Rescue Marth on the last turn. Mathilda killed the boss with the Armorslayer. Chapter 6x: 2/39 Yep. Promoted Luke. Chapter 7: 5/44 Sent Hero!Luke and WRYS left to get the Physic Staff while the flier squad killed everything else. Tradechained Scorpio to Mathilda so that she could double and ORKO most of Astram's Hero squad. I wanted to feed the boss to Caeda, but Sirius got a jank single digit crit with the Silver Lance, so I fed Astram to Caeda instead.

Abel and Midia. @Finalinsanity

Time to meme harder than ever before. Dolph and Macellan.

Jake and Athena.

Katarina and Darros. Also Final Insanity picked ROGER so @Gradivus. your up.

I hate you all. Merric and Leiden.

NO YOU TOOK AWAY MY WRYS AND WENDELL MEME TEAM

Not Yumina! Well, this means I know what I must do. Memes shall become dreams. Cain and WRYS. @Finalinsanity

Ok, finally back from work and dinner. Will probably get rid of RP since I agree with Gradivus' statement after thinking about it more. Also Final Insanity doesn't have access to RP either so yeah. Terrador's picks are already amazing and getting him to join was totally worth it. I'll take that guy who totally isn't Camus and Marth's waifu. It's nice to play a game where Camus is worth drafting for once. @Finalinsanity

Terrador has graciously offered to be the 4th person, so we can finally start drafting. Luke for me then. @Finalinsanity

I knew it was only a matter of time before you showed up.