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Why is CR's claim more believable then mine? Other than the N4 result of me targeting Shin, all her results have been publicly claimed in thread, and her only explanation for not outing her contradictory results yesterday is that she missed the post. I'm biased of course, but if I try to look at it objectively it's way more likely that CR/Kay scumteam fabricated a result just now or maybe overnight that would result in my lynch. They'd clearly want me gone because they can't NK me safely.

And this says that Mancer wouldn't have been modkilled, so... IMO modkilling someone for not following PR, or designing PRs that modkill you for not following them, are bastard mod. I think CR is scum but this is a shitty reason for it.

Yeah, so that would probably result in a harsher rebuke. You can ask Boron about Mancer's PR specifically, but she did say several times that there wouldn't be anything worse than them yelling at you in postgame. More importantly, why does it matter?

I doubt there would be a PR that would modkill you if you don't follow it, considering that Boron said several times that not following the PR will only get you a verbal rebuke in postgame. I guess depending on the strictness of the PR, that rebuke might be stronger, but I doubt it would result in an actual modkill.

If I read it right, he can only block one kill per night, not one kill total. And it's NOC. Roles are good, but town should be depending on scumhunting to clinch the victory, not roles. If the town can't catch mafia through scumhunting but they do it through roles, IMO that's a town-sided game.

Yeah, so like I said, that only happens if the scumteam is me/JB. FMPOV obviously I know that's not the case, but you have to decide for yourself if that's a likely scumteam.

Town has a full-time Hooker, a full-time Doc, a one-shot Hooker, a one-shot Doc, and two night-kills between Elie and I. That's still plenty strong, and it's not like you can't catch a Godfather through good old fashioned scumhunting.

So it's 4/2. I'm pretty sure that both Kay and CR are scum. We lynch Kay. If she's town (3/2), she shoots CR. If CR flips town (2/2), I'm lying and Elie can hook me. If CR flips scum (3/1), I'm basically confirmed town and Elie can hook JB. If Kay is scum (4/1), Elie hooks CR. If there's a NK (3/1) then CR is confirmed town, town is still alive and you can lynch me. In that sequence of events, the only way town loses is if Kay and CR are town, which means a scumteam of me + JB, which I think is pretty unlikely.

Also potential LYLO because if Elie is town jack, he has a 1-shot hook that can stop nightkill and keep it at 4/2.

Scum almost certainly has character fakes because Baldrick knew to claim Integriman. Also, Kay claiming vengeful doesn't play into potential LYLO, because potential LYLO means that we can lose even if we don't lynch at all. If we don't lynch at all, even if Kay was a vengeful, that wouldn't make any difference. This is why I'm pretty sure there are two scum and they are CR and Kay.

I'm pretty sure those Tracker results are fabricated with one wrong one thrown in there to get me lynched, because she didn't claim this last phase, when I first outed my targets. In addition to that, she was hooked 2/5 nights, and the Kay visiting nobody and Elie visiting Shin are both claimed in-thread. The only result that's not already claimed is me targeting Shin N4, but like I said, that's probably fabricated because if she actually had that result she would have claimed it last phase. Also, JB, claim. You're the last person who hasn't, unless I missed a post in this recent frenzy.

No, if her Track on me had gone through, she would have seen me visit Baldrick, that's who I targeted N3. Anyways, ##Vote: Kay CR is probably scum, but as I deduced earlier, there are probably 2 scum. Lynching Kay is more comprehensive because I'm pretty sure she's scum too. If she's town, she takes CR down with her. If she's scum, Elie should hook CR, and then we can lynch her tomorrow.

No, N3 was Shinori redirected from me to SB/CR.

What, you don't even say why you prefer SB's case against Shinori to Shinori's case against SB. I like my vote where it is right now.

Oh right, I keep forgetting that CR is playing and not SB... Anyways, I didn't visit Shin on N4, I visited Elie. Unless I was redirected to Shin and didn't get informed, your results are wrong. In fact, if you had these results yesterday, why didn't you out them when I first claimed that I visited Elie N4?

I don't really believe that claim, to be honest, but I guess it depends on what SB and JB claim.

Those are the claims. I'd prefer if Kay and SB claimed before you, but everyone needs to claim today no matter what either way, and I don't know if the times that you guys are on will match up for you to be able to claim right after them. SB in particular won't be on for at least another few hours, so if you're only going to be here for a bit, IMO you should claim now JB.

Prims's vote is on Areox for him not having had any content on D1. You prodvoted him for not having any content on D1. His is more serious, yes, but the reasons behind them are the same. I agree that Prims's vote is sort of lazy, but your argument against him gives me sort of bad vibes.

i keep ctrl+F5ing and nobody is posting asfgasdfsgsfg

Okay, potential LYLO means we can lose even if we nolynch. If it's 5/1 and there's a nolynch, I get shot, and I take a townie down with me, that's 3/1. I guess that would result in a scum victory if there's like a scum Persuader hiding in the wings, but if Elie is telling the truth, the last scum role is almost certainly some type of redirecting role. This means if Elie is telling the truth, 4/2 is probably more likely. In that case if I get shot and I kill a townie after a nolynch, that's 2/2 and gg.

Okay, people who haven't claimed are claiming right now. Preferable order, IMO, is Kay -> SB -> JB.

Why on earth did you target Shin/Shinori, Elie?

When I play casually, I normally end up getting Geitz, Jerme, and Harken, because I like using the lords in casual, and I like using Raven and Guy more than any of the unpromoted magic users. My magic user of choice generally ends up being Pent. And I like Harken more than Karel. However, these days when I play it's more for a draft run, so I get Wallace's map (but generally not Wallace himself), because a) it's rare to have all the lords leveled up high enough and b) it's faster. Kenneth/Jerme depends on my team, but I normally try to draft a mage to still have a shot at Kenneth, the faster map, if I also get one of the infantry. And neither Harken nor Karel normally end up getting recruited, sadly, but if I did decide to recruit either of them, it would be Harken and not Karel.

itg: Areox proves the point further by saying "just sayin." Areox, if duplicate roles are allowed, then do you still think that Paperblade is scum? Also, if you think Marth/Bluedoom is scum, then why do you think that Sgt. Smilies voted for him? Also, Paperblade didn't really ignore the Marth wagon as he said several times that he thought that the manner in which Marth claimed made him likely to be town.

Alternatively, add hair dye to the continent of Jugdral.