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? I'm pretty sure I never said I agreed with your points, and if I did, it might have been one or two isolated cases, I said I agreed with Shin's points against you.

No, I'm not disregarding that his activity only spiked under pressure. But you also have to look at his activity, right? If what he says once he gets prodded is decent, I don't see why the fact that he only produced content under pressure makes him scum by itself. You have to look at his activity as a whole, and while his D1 and early D2 is admittedly not great, I think his recent posts have been better. Also, you say that his play is more like Trainwreck and less like ToS, but tbh, his D1 and ED2 play felt like the both of them- I didn't see much of a difference between his ToS and Trainwreck play.

I'm pretty sure him saying he's confused and British is just a joke... As for his activity suddenly spiking up, it may be that he did something like that in Trainwreck, but are you really going to lynch him because he's putting in more effort? That seems like a bad reason to me.

If I understood Rapier's posts correctly, he looked at Mancer's posts, thought they were scummy, voted him, and then realized later that he'd claimed Doc, and unvoted. Main arguments against Shin, if I'm reading them correctly, seem to be a lack of content. Again, maybe it's because I agree with his Rapier points, but I feel like his last few posts were a lot better in terms of that. I don't remember much from Trainwreck (or ToS for that matter), but Shin's last few posts read better to me than what I remember ofhis content in either of those games.

I don't think you understood my point exactly, Rapier. I said that you focused this post mostly on analyzing Mancer and suggesting why we should lynch him, and then ending it with "but he's Doc so we shouldn't", which is fine, except it basically makes your Mancer analysis useless, if you don't think he should be lynched due to the claim. And that ties into my point that you didn't really have much content on D1. I think your D2 content against Shin is more of an effort but it's still bad. You accuse Shin of replying to all of your post, which makes no sense entirely, for one thing, and your argument that he's twisting your words feels like a thinly veiled OMGUS to me, although maybe it's because I agree with his points against you. You also didn't respond to the main body of my case that I made later, despite posting all those walls of text.

This is just it. We don't know anything about the mass-hook other than that the town was hooked by it. For all we know, it could be a mafia mass-hook that also hooks the mafia. It could even be a town mass-hook (though the decision to use it so early was questionable in that case). Discussing so much about it is pointless.

I gave my reasons here. I didn't see a reason to repost the reasons that Baldrick had given, but here they are: His votes and scumhunting have been weak, IMO. In his first post he voted Lucy basically for inactivity, and in that same post he said that Sho was the only scumread he had. Yet he chose to just prod Lucy, which doesn't make sense even if he thought Sho had enough votes on him. His next content post was focused mainly on why Mancer was bad, except then at the end he acknowledged that we shouldn't lynch the Doc claim, which basically renders that entire part useless. Then at the end he just votes Sho, which as I said earlier I didn't like because it read like bussing. The next post he has a weak prod against Baldrick, and then he defends against Xinny's point that he hasn't given many opinions. He says that he gave some reasons about other people. Except he didn't even find Mancer scummy in his first post, and in the second he'd acknowledged him as the Doc, so there wasn't even a point to that bit. His Lucy vote was just an inactivity prod, and in his own words, he didn't even find her scummy. So really it's just back to the Sho vote that looks like a bus to me.

Very quickly before I head to class- JB, some opinions on why people other than the claimed Doc are scummy would be good.

Eclipse, if you felt that I looked the worst after the Sho flip, why did the mass-hook suddenly change that? I can't see any reason for why that would make me look better. If instead it was because other people looked worse after the mass-hook, how exactly did JB jump to the top of that list? In addition to what Baldrick said, he went from townvibes on Mancer to calling him scummy the next day and suggesting to lynch him even though he was the Doctor, which was pretty weird. I also had a scumread on Baldrick from Sho-interactions in addition to the stuff I had on him D1. Baldrick talked about Sho very obliquely- he mentioned him in relation to how other people saw him, but never really said much directly about Sho. When analyzing Elie's posts, he said he agreed with the Sho case, and then later he said that Sho's bad play was bleeding obvious, but never really pushed him directly very much. I'm aware that similar to him, I did choose to vote other people over Sho because Sho had a lot of votes already, but I had pushed Sho early on. However, after Baldrick's case on Rapier, I'm not really that sure because it doesn't look like bussing to me, and I also think Rapier is scummy. I'll read them both again later as to whom I find worse, but I'll stick with the Rapier vote for now, because Rapier's reaction to two votes on him was to not defend himself or even acknowledge them at all.

Well, there are other reasons I can outline after dinner, but the Sho vote from Rapier looked like he was trying to get towncred to me. There wasn't really a reason to switch otherwise.

##Vote: Rapier I don't have the problem that JB has with Rapier with the "contradiction". That seems kind of forced to me. My problem with Rapier is that he switched to vote Sho even though Sho was heads above the next lynch candidate to get lynched. I can understand not seeing the point in voting for a secondary scumread if a lot of people were already voting for him, but then deciding to do it later so close to phase end makes me feel he was trying to look good upon Sho's flip.

Mancer, don't jump to flavour conclusions like that. The hosts have already confirmed that there are flavour differences. It's easily possible that one passive role/idler got mass-hook flavour and the other didn't because they got flavour written by different people.

Okay, this is weird. I got hooked as well, but I received flavour along the lines of getting hit in the head just as I was about to leave my house. I never even got to my target?

Got ninja'd. Did anyone else get hooked as well, or was it just me and Mancer?

Hmm, I got hooked. If that was a town hooker, you should probably not be targeting people blindly this early. Mancer, who did you target?

lol wrong game/account bud

There's uh... SB who lives in England and goes to sleep around 12 every night I think.

Chapter 3, Part 3. Pretty short and easy map. Disappointed I couldn't get more of the horses.

I used to play it a really long time ago, lol. I mostly just played Cheat, because Neopets Cheat was awesome. Also that one SRPG-like game where you controlled a bunch of warriors from different races and played through a war, that was fun. And the game where you blew up bricks, Destructo-somethingortheother. ... brb making a neopets account and playing cheat

neopets I demand the final character from Cheat, the shark guy.

Cam, are you sure? The second post says that phase ends at 7 pm EST, which is in 30 minutes, not two hours.

Phase ends in around 30 minutes. I probably won't be there for phase end, though I'm not sure if we have time to switch away from Sho even if he comes and claims.

Also, other people who live in England manage to play and I don't think they stay up until 3 am either.

There are less than three hours left in the phase, so Sho really should claim if he's here.

Ninja is a role that lets the player remain unseen on any Watcher or Tracker reports if they take the factional kill. It can be either a 1-shot role or a permanent role. We also have them like every other game, so I'm not sure why you're not aware of what a Ninja is.