Makaze

The thing that's really pinging me about Omega and makes him obviously non town is that he didn't even MENTION the slip based read of him, or try to make it make sense in why he did it theres no world where this is a good look if he's town. i genuinely read his defense post as town and then noticed he scumslipped about his role i don't see how anyone could read my progression and not the impression im genuinely scumreading him (i think hes the itp but don't have a better word for what I mean)

Tonally I think Evan is town, i also don't think he would behave this way as mafia, and his role still cannot be a mafia without making town the weakest thing possible and mafia god tier I don't see a world where this is possible

bad wording, i mean where snike flips mafia and there is another member

Have I misread you what is your actual alternative in a world where Snike is the last mafia and there is another scum member? (based on your responses you think Snike is possible but not Kirsche or athena)

Okay my bad. Why would you intentionally vote someone without trying to actually get them lynched?

Based on the powers it looks like the town is very weak compared to the scumteam so it's possible there is a 4 man scum team and all of this is just unnecessary but we need Walrein to claim to get a full picture of what's going on

its a general statement im saying I want to see you casing someone casing me is not what i had in mind but its better than outing because people believed your claim

I'm not sure what is bothering you about me being willing to consider a world where I'm wrong about Snike Also by the numbers it makes sense for there to be a fifth member and im trying to figure out who makes sense in that team i don't think there are many options if you look at my progression on kirsche you'll see I have had all kinds of reasons for tinfoiling about junko/kirsche being scum/scum, i don't see any world where you don't think im being genuine but i really think it's just snike atp, im just not willing to not consider the alternatives, which i have said don't make sense

i tried to do a basic bad!athena case last night but fell asleep. heres the quotes i still had in my queue Does this help or hurt JB/Athena associations? This was about Athena. Not sure if it's feigned because JB is mafia or because Athena is though. Good or bad? This is the only thing that actually makes me feel weird about athena, at least on tone. this post does look bad for a jb!snike world and looks good for a jb!athena world because at this point Athena has been one of the primary people casing him and hes not even trying to defend himself to athena. Even if this switch were bad, it is from one scum to another, and im having trouble making sense of that strategically i feel like not sticking to the read change on JB from the last post doesn't make sense with Junko's flip from a strategic standpoint especially since athena has been one of the main pushers of the wagon and this phrasing reads genuine to me Literally like his next post is this incredibly hard to take back and sensical argument where he take's kirsche's side of the argument. I don't think that town!Omega would come across this slimy and would not try to get me lynched instead of Athena without a case on him, I don't think this actually makes any sense from a townie standpoint even if you happen to be right about athena. lol keep reading:

Which of these would you lynch? How do you take LG/EMMM's claim?

@athena_57 Your absence is making you look like a good lynch option. What do you make of the current gamestate? Who is Mafia?

I mean quantitatively yes, he has shaded Kirsche but he never voted him, and he never pushed that wagon my reads have also been shit, but i think that kirsche > athena id like to hear a calm, rational case on athena from you if you think im wrong. and give examples of what makes you think the votes on athena are different from actually trying to lynch him one without gaslights preferred

sounds good

@Beru i must have missed it but who did you target last night and what result did you get

I mean Via is 100% town anyway But why does it matter that it's weaker atp Who does this make look worse, according to you

Wait nevermind. It doesn't stop the jailed player from submitting kills. Okay. Crisis averted.

So... wait @SB. Does Kaoz's PM mean that the jailer merely roleblocks?

Oh. Nvm then.

@Iris @SB. please make this public if their claim is true

How would Snike be able to get the hosts to mod confirm another player submitting or not submitting an action? That's blatant angling

@Killthestory not letting you off the hook you don't get town points for outing the itp get back in the game (this can wait until you wake up though)

this is kind of a mess, fixing: I'm just having trouble imagining a world where Shinori tries to make scum!Athena the main wagon, lists JB and Junko as a scum lean, gains some traction with Snike scumreading Athena, then goes on to try and stop a lynch against confirmed Junko.

it's not a meme I took that screenshot when it captcha'd me unless captcha is by google in which case lol me

Read the following readslist: I'm just having trouble imagining a world where Shinori tries to make scum!Athena the main wagon, lists JB and Junjo as a scum lean, gains some traction with Snike scumreading Athena, AND scumread two of his other buddies, then goes on to try and stop a lynch against confirmed Junko. I towncleared Kill/Kirsche for being right next to Athena on this same post. If the logic on Athena isn't clearing, then the logic on Kill definitely isn't, because Shinori and JB both avoided a Kirsche lynch as well. There's a possible world where both were Mafia and Shinori just picked one to say "this is a bad lynch zzzz" and make the other look town by association. PS: I don't think this happened. I think both Athena and Kirsche are towncleared for the same reasons. Athena even more so.

SF just ate my post