Makaze

arc flipped town... did you mean someone else?

Because he's the ITP. He's incredibly hard to kill at night and even if we kill Snike we can't be sure it lowers the kill power. Lynching Omega definitely makes things better for town.

oh wait it is about the game but its not him pushing snike for it not helpful anyway

Not really around at the moment as I'm not feeling well and I don't mean to Hijack your question towards Eclipse but can we stop role digging and fishing. There have been a lot of claims and people asking for claims or people asking about night actions and I don't think it's all that helpful. Unless we are planning to just outright massclaim today which I think is a terrible idea. there with quotes now

PS this interaction that Snike linked to to say "i did interact with Shinori" what even is that, its not even about the game may as well have shot himself in the foot

this is a good argument and im not fond of role based clears this all depends on EvilManManMan to contribute new thoughts. @EvanManManMan

nothing this post down as another mark against Snike for very bad gaslighting defense also he was one of the leading people on the weapons/arc lynch and cased me with a very opportunistic reasoning in fact i think he has waffled on me so hard its pretty bad in itself. going to simply quote all of snike's reads on me. they happen to be one lines This is actually a really scummy vote for Arcanite. I didn't really notice it because I was looking for scum associations. If Walrein read Arcanite scum off of one post... I mean it's possible this is natural but I see a lot of leaps and opportunism. I think he decides what is the best strategic decision and then rationalizes the change, which he is good at doing. Got to say Snike, whatever your flip is, you're doing a good job of confusing me. Still want to see what other Mafia you think there could be.

what i don't understand is why does it matter why they killed them i think it's probably that someone tried to shoot eclipse n1, but she was jailed (i think this was claimed) and that's why she's alive. she was consensus town aroujnd then then they shot shinori. he was also consensus town, more or less. the mafia shot bbm because he was casing jb hardcore and they thought he was a threat. they also janitor'd him so we know they wanted to make him look like mafia with the kill to make his jb read look bad. now both the jailer AND mack have died. mack was the martyr so its impossible to know if that was intentional but this is the point when it's unlikely for them to be protecting the person who claimed jailor n1. clearly someone was right about that, so their reasoning wasn't wrong.

either that or he protected someone else its impossible to know if he was killed directly

i have been very wrong for a long time and there were two protective roles in this game. one of them was mack it's very likely that mack protected me and he is the martyr so he took the hit instead

I am 100% convinced that Omega is the ITP and there is no way I am going back on it. His slip with that defensive post makes it certain. i think that 5 mafia and 1 itp makes sense, but my PoE says 4 should be the case, and Snike is the last one. its hard to imagine a world where anyone else has managed to fool me. note that this has proved not hard to do but I don't think any of my clears are not valid or highly vetted what do you mean by concerned about the kills?

in a pinch if I absolutely had to id say walrein for the last mafia but that is only because he lacks content and i have nothing else to clear him i would not lynch until everyone is gone we only have hardcleared town alive i can see a world where kill is somehow Mafia because the way they went for eclipse instead of either kirsche/junko bugs me, and is the only reason i can see for why kill would be suspicious but it's more than i got for walrein

i did not use you as a reason to read the slot, before or after, lol you read tonally town though

There are two possibilities with LG's slot. 1. he is cleared as town because of his role. if snike flips scum, this also clears him because snike wanted to lynch lg today 2. his role is designed to predict any NON-MAFIA kill and he is scum. i don't believe this would exist with a strongman on the same team. so i think LG is cleared by rolespec it has to be Snike every way I look at it

i gave a change in my case in my first major post of the day and then in my snike reread i found a lot of stuff that looked good on him. then sully replied to my major post. i think he is town

p.s. i am sorry walrein i just completely forgot you prefer they i will be vigilant from now on

I am also going to argue that this post has immediate differences from the way wal has excused himself this game: he hasn't offered an excuse for not reading or not casing or anything like that hes just said im going to be gone and then hes gone he hasn't excused or promised anything he hasn't delivered on

his scum game has structure and timing, its all about rhetoric he argues his points and waffles on them by habit this game he lacks that completely

On the Walrein thing: there are IMMEDIATE qualitative differences in his tone range going to use the first post an example he openly doubts his own reads. read - but i think in the end and he has pauses with literal dashes where he is preparing his statement as if he is writing a speech with a caesura i haven't seen anything like that this game

He does if he's ITP and getting lynched is the only way he loses. He has been super defensive ever since I stopped clearing him. I didn't even make him my main case today and he went nuclear on me.

Currently reading Refa. Gimme a sec.

lmao that says it all

this is without touching any of the flipped scum's cases on him

+1 to never w/w with Snike Early shading on JB, +1 to that too Like his weapons defense here, he admits it is bad, but doesn't think its weird. he isn't waffling here, hes just stating what he thinks, and acknowledges the contradiction. this is bias because defending my slot but this is a great question and seems town motivated: don't see why he'd do this as scum He also cases JB hardcore here and has independent thoughts. Further JB casing. this game state post is both accurate and tells new people to vote for JB. i don't see how this is good to do as mafia. Slight point is he townreads Shinori. I think that's fine as as I was too at this time. I did not see a Shinori scumflip coming. Votes Junko's slot and reasons the case out with specific examples he comes up with on his own. At this point I am pretty sure BBM and athena are the only people suspecting JB or voting him See the red line. Again he emphasizes he has his own thoughts, he wants to convince others to lynch JB, he isn't sheeping. He goes hard on the Jaybee lynch. His thoughts on JB have had steady and believable progressionn across multiple Days. His progression on Snike is the most genuine part of this to me. He town reads him when he should and scum reads him when he should. Athena is town.

it's okay you get an honorable mention