Shinori Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, WeaponsofMassConstruction said: @Shinori@Percivaléis that the main reason for your vote switch At this point it's because it's you > Refa. I'd rather lynch rapier still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, WeaponsofMassConstruction said: I won’t know what they are. I don’t choose. honestly if I get elimmed for this I won’t even be mad. I suppose it’s on me for not pointing this out sooner but I didn’t even realize it was odd until now either ????? What the hell Is this like ... a nurse or a deputy instead of the standard amnesiac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Btw I will go at bed soon since it’s past 1 AM so I won’t be here at deadline to avoid any last minute ties. My vote stays on Refa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I'm sure someone can vote switch last minute if a tie is an issue @Prims yeah but with full universal backup, you could have to start faking something that's really hard to fake starting n2. "Certain role backup" you can get by til someone with an easily fakeable role dies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 4 minutes ago, j00 said: Weapons, would you really rather keep your vote in Prims over Refa even at this hour? What do you think about Prims’ rolespec on the likelihood of your and Refa’s role co-exisiting if claims are real? I'll be here to phase end so I don't feel the need to switch yet. I don't know shit about roles and balance if I'm being honest, so no comment there. I guess I should also mention the abilities are one-shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 15 minutes ago, Prims said: @Percivalé You were leaning toward Refa earlier in the day, did their recent posts change your mind? I really want to see how tonight goes before we elim refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaponsofMassConstruction Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Yeah I guess ##Vote: @Refa so no one gets confused at phase end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT. Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 So it sounds like what I said, I expect the role to get a 1-shot of any "normal" role that dies, as opposed to something like Refa's where he probably gets nothing. I guess it's easier to fake but not really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I'd rather elim rapier but it looks like either refa or weapons /: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted May 28 Author Share Posted May 28 (edited) 32 minutes left! Iris™ Votals: Day 1.999999999999999999 Refa (7): j00, BT., Makaze, Bluedoom, Prims, BBM, WeaponsofMassConstruction (L-3)! WeaponsofMassConstruction (6): Rapier, Snike, CT075, Sunwoo, Shinori, Percivale (L-4!) Makaze (2): Elieson, charlie Rapier (1): Refa The player with the most votes at the end of the Day phase will be Eliminated! With 16 alive, it takes 6 votes minimum to Eliminate a player and 10 votes to Hammer the phase early! Day 1 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on May 28th. VOTING HISTORY - Day 1 Page 2: Rapier votes for Prims Snike votes for Rapier Sunwoo votes for Snike Shinori votes for Elieson Prims votes for Snike Refa votes for Makaze Prims votes for Shinori Page 3: BBM votes for Makaze Makaze votes for BBM Page 4: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Prims Shinori votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Rapier votes for Makaze Sunwoo votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 5: Shinori votes for Elieson Bluedoom votes for Refa Rapier votes for BBM Page 6: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Sunwoo Rapier votes for Bluedoom Page 7: Refa votes for Sunwoo Bluedoom votes for Sunwoo Sunwoo votes for Refa Page 8: BBM votes for Prims Page 9: Makaze votes for Bluedoom Shinori votes for Prims Page 10: Snike votes for Bluedoom charlie votes for Shinori Prims votes for Snike BBM votes for Snike Shinori votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 11: Percivale votes for Bluedoom j00 votes for Refa Page 12: Elieson votes for Makaze Page 13: Sunwoo votes for Makaze Bluedoom unvotes Page 14: charlie votes for Rapier Page 15: BT. votes for Refa j00 votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 16: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes Rapier Prims votes Makaze Page 17: BBM votes WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 18: Bluedoom votes charlie Refa votes Makaze Page 19: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes Elieson Prims votes for Refa Page 20: j00 votes for Refa Percivale unvotes Page 21: Bluedoom votes for Refa Page 22: Rapier votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Shinori votes for Percivale CT075 votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 23: Refa unvotes Page 24: Makaze votes for Refa WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Prims Prims votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 25: Refa votes for Rapier Page 32: Shinori votes for Rapier Page 35: CT075 votes for Refa Page 36: CT075 unvotes Makaze votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 37: Bluedoom unvotes BT. unvotes Page 40 BT. votes for Refa Makaze votes for Refa Page 41 charlie votes for Makaze Bluedoom votes for Refa Page 42 Prims votes for Refa Snike votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 44 Percivale votes for Rapier Page 45 BBM votes for Refa Shinori votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Percivale votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 46 WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Refa Edited May 28 by Iris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, BBM said: I'm sure someone can vote switch last minute if a tie is an issue @Prims yeah but with full universal backup, you could have to start faking something that's really hard to fake starting n2. "Certain role backup" you can get by til someone with an easily fakeable role dies If that's so then it makes much more sense for you to be voting Weapons instead of Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I'm here if I want to switch I'm waiting for prims to respond to me to have a discussion about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT. Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 It's not really easy to fake though, at least I wouldn't give it a pass if say a neighborizer just died and he said "sorry I didn't get a copy of that", I'd call bullshit if something like that happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, BT. said: It's not really easy to fake though, at least I wouldn't give it a pass if say a neighborizer just died and he said "sorry I didn't get a copy of that", I'd call bullshit if something like that happened. Since it's only specific roles, he can do that lol And his role is so situational that it honestly looks less useful in the bigger scheme of things, so it's safer to lynch him (or even me, again) over Refa's role. Prims' speculation on a scum JOAT looks way too OP but who am I to speculate tl;dr seems safer and more useful to keep Refa, unless people have strong reasons for lynching him tied to scummy content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 My final thoughts of the day based on current gamestate (so not taking into account the final voteswitches) are essentially: Refa scumflip -> Cam, Snike and to a lesser extent SB need immediate looking into. Might need to re-evaluate Percy depending. Makaze probably town forever, BT probably town, j00 could be a bus since she hopped off briefly but I feel good about her in general. Shinori kinda iffy. Refa townflip -> Weapons possibly scum, but not as confident as I would be on Refa following a Weapons townflip. What power Weapons claims to get will be interesting. BT worth a look because he never pushed much other than Refa. Would have to re-evaluate Marth. Rapier VT claim and "lynch Refa over me" not survivalist unless he had an experienced scum like BBM coaching him to do the WIFOM Weapons scumflip -> Similar to Refa townflip results. j00 being on Weapons at one point would be worth considering. Shinori and Percy town, Snike probably town, Boron townie forever. Makaze very bizarre in this scenario since he suspects Weapons over Refa, but might be wack town. Cam as potential busser? Weapons townflip -> lynch refa you dorks Tbh SB's posts are their town meta but there is a slight possibility they as scum hopped on an unlikely wagon to absolve themself of responsibility at day end I really want to lynch Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Shinori not 100% town off Weapons scumflip because I think it's believable Shinori would vote his buddy for cred if things go south while praying they don't, but I would still lean town on him overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, Prims said: My final thoughts of the day based on current gamestate (so not taking into account the final voteswitches) are essentially: Refa scumflip -> Cam, Snike and to a lesser extent SB need immediate looking into. Might need to re-evaluate Percy depending. Makaze probably town forever, BT probably town, j00 could be a bus since she hopped off briefly but I feel good about her in general. Shinori kinda iffy. Refa townflip -> Weapons possibly scum, but not as confident as I would be on Refa following a Weapons townflip. What power Weapons claims to get will be interesting. BT worth a look because he never pushed much other than Refa. Would have to re-evaluate Marth. Rapier VT claim and "lynch Refa over me" not survivalist unless he had an experienced scum like BBM coaching him to do the WIFOM Weapons scumflip -> Similar to Refa townflip results. j00 being on Weapons at one point would be worth considering. Shinori and Percy town, Snike probably town, Boron townie forever. Makaze very bizarre in this scenario since he suspects Weapons over Refa, but might be wack town. Cam as potential busser? Weapons townflip -> lynch refa you dorks Tbh SB's posts are their town meta but there is a slight possibility they as scum hopped on an unlikely wagon to absolve themself of responsibility at day end I really want to lynch Refa I think reads would change about me on a Weapons scumflip, since I've been on him since the beginning of the game. Same in a townflip, being worse in my favor. It seems too gamble-y for me as scum to push for a Weapons lynch. If Refa flips scum or town, I don't think it says much about me. Don't see why I'd be asking to be lynched instead of Refa in case I'm scum and he flips town. I feel like I lost all braincells bar two and I wish I could withdraw from society but life calls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 @BT. the point you make on Refa on Page 15 having some unnecessarily defeatist attitude is entirely sheepable. Call it meta but you pointing that out reads like Refa throwing his hands way into the air in a shrug, way higher than Refa normally would. On 5/26/2024 at 7:49 PM, Prims said: Echoing that Elie's entrance isn't great, confused by him citing a gut read on BBM but not really trying to make heads or tails with how his main scum read is doing the same thing. @Elieson I'd like to hear how you feel about BBM's more recent posts. In general the early BBM gut reads in this game have always looked unnatural to me because BBM's earliest posts were still very RVS. This thing eats my posts when jumping pages and I just realized it. I'm dying here. On 5/26/2024 at 11:22 PM, Bluedoom said: - On that note my own gripes with Makaze are that he's admitting that he's trying to convince people of his reads but failing miserably. My main thing about makaze thinking of his personality is as town he'd think that he's obvious and his results will show, part of his ego will show vs scum where he knows that he needs to manipulate people and pocket them so he doesn't try to go as much against the grain and might even try to appease people, I'm p sure he tried that on me the last time we played. I haven't seen anyone engage me on this and I think this is a good talking point, because this is one thing I'm unsure about. Not sure I agree with this. I don't detect Makaze as "going against the grain" or death tunnelling thus far, since he seems to be pushing and prodding more for people to jump into his bandwagon with intent to talk about it, than just screaming for people to vote alongside of him. I tried very hard to meticulously read through the first 20 pages, and I'm leaning scum on Refa, mainly because of this post *(his big Page 18 post with reads and a Makaze vote). I dislike that he supports Makaze's BBM read but simultaneously votes for Makaze because... it's too much of a tunnel, and the justification for Rapier!Scum is all over the place. Calling out Rapier for not contributing, but also calling Rapier for being dismissive regarding Refa's attention towards him, isn't right. Rapier's openly pushing weapons (as Refa points out), and yet it's nothing? Feels like desperation to drop a vote that'll land. It's enough that even though there's 17 minutes left in phase, I'll drop a vote. @j00 I saw your question, and this is my answer to it thus far. Unless something dramatic happens in the next 25 pages while i'm trying to power skim an actual read in, I'm comfortable with this. ##Unvote ##Vote @Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 if refa flips scum I'll elaborate tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iris Posted May 28 Author Share Posted May 28 15 minutes left! Respectfully, NO POSTS (something something, DEADLINE SHUT UP) after I call deadline. I'll need some time to post the flip and some announcements for N1 -- some of these might come at the start of N1, some may come a few hours in, as I'm about to pass out. Thanks for your patience. Iris™ Votals: Day 1.999999999999999999 Refa (8): j00, BT., Makaze, Bluedoom, Prims, BBM, WeaponsofMassConstruction, Elieson (L-2)! WeaponsofMassConstruction (6): Rapier, Snike, CT075, Sunwoo, Shinori, Percivale (L-4!) Makaze (1): charlie Rapier (1): Refa The player with the most votes at the end of the Day phase will be Eliminated! With 16 alive, it takes 6 votes minimum to Eliminate a player and 10 votes to Hammer the phase early! Day 1 ends at 8:00 PM EDT on May 28th. VOTING HISTORY - Day 1 Page 2: Rapier votes for Prims Snike votes for Rapier Sunwoo votes for Snike Shinori votes for Elieson Prims votes for Snike Refa votes for Makaze Prims votes for Shinori Page 3: BBM votes for Makaze Makaze votes for BBM Page 4: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Prims Shinori votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Rapier votes for Makaze Sunwoo votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 5: Shinori votes for Elieson Bluedoom votes for Refa Rapier votes for BBM Page 6: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Sunwoo Rapier votes for Bluedoom Page 7: Refa votes for Sunwoo Bluedoom votes for Sunwoo Sunwoo votes for Refa Page 8: BBM votes for Prims Page 9: Makaze votes for Bluedoom Shinori votes for Prims Page 10: Snike votes for Bluedoom charlie votes for Shinori Prims votes for Snike BBM votes for Snike Shinori votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 11: Percivale votes for Bluedoom j00 votes for Refa Page 12: Elieson votes for Makaze Page 13: Sunwoo votes for Makaze Bluedoom unvotes Page 14: charlie votes for Rapier Page 15: BT. votes for Refa j00 votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 16: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes Rapier Prims votes Makaze Page 17: BBM votes WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 18: Bluedoom votes charlie Refa votes Makaze Page 19: WeaponsofMassConstruction votes Elieson Prims votes for Refa Page 20: j00 votes for Refa Percivale unvotes Page 21: Bluedoom votes for Refa Page 22: Rapier votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Shinori votes for Percivale CT075 votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 23: Refa unvotes Page 24: Makaze votes for Refa WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Prims Prims votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 25: Refa votes for Rapier Page 32: Shinori votes for Rapier Page 35: CT075 votes for Refa Page 36: CT075 unvotes Makaze votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 37: Bluedoom unvotes BT. unvotes Page 40 BT. votes for Refa Makaze votes for Refa Page 41 charlie votes for Makaze Bluedoom votes for Refa Page 42 Prims votes for Refa Snike votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 44 Percivale votes for Rapier Page 45 BBM votes for Refa Shinori votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Percivale votes for WeaponsofMassConstruction Page 46 WeaponsofMassConstruction votes for Refa Elieson votes for Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Elie slot voting between two wagons at deadline is like the most useful information we could get about his slot given prior circumstances LOL thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percivalé Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 my feelings I mean I do wanna say though if refa were my scumbuddy (they're not and I'm town) I would not be this obvious about wanting to keep them alive lol trust me bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 oops I didn't even respond to prims there; SO FAR, my gut on BBM I feel like, was me more hanging onto how I used to have a grudge against BBM for posting things and being decidedly ignored whenever I said anything about him. I've re-read the thread up to P20 and I'm not seeing anything from BBM that is worth concern. If anything, I've reversed my gutread on him. I don't like it but I think I just wanna hold onto old frustrations because it's easy, and I know I can't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I don't think Elie voting the wagon that was already ahead in votes with 15 mins left is super relevant tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapier Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 6 minutes ago, Percivalé said: my feelings I mean I do wanna say though if refa were my scumbuddy (they're not and I'm town) I would not be this obvious about wanting to keep them alive lol trust me bro I hope this doesn't age like milk lmao I think scumflip!Refa also puts me on a bad corner since I haven't read him much on the game and it's easy to make a case over that as scum distancing. I'm still not satisfied with Refa being lynched rolewise and scumread wise. This will be interesting on a reread, but I also think there'll be too much fluff on "I wanted to vote someone else but I had to change votes abruptly". I wish I didn't have to read anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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