Shadow Mir Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 ... You do realize that the difference is 1 enemy less on EP because if laura heals you can have one more killed on PP instead of Vulnerary? I don't see how that changes a damn thing... ...That's what I'm trying to say. I'd rather have Laura heal my units and kill the enemies on Player Phase than use a Vulnerary, let it suicide on enemy Phase, and potentially face more attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 It really depends on how much worse the laguz are in EM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) ...That's what I'm trying to say. I'd rather have Laura heal my unitS and kill the enemies on 1 Player Phase than use a Vulnerary, let it suicide on enemy Phase, and potentially face more attacks. :facepalm: LAURA CANT HEAL MORE THAN ONCE PER TURN SO THE DIFFERENCE IS MEANINGLES ONE MORE ENEMY ON EP SO SHE DOESN'T REALLY HELP WHEN BEXP USED TO MAKE HER USEFULL CAN BE USED TO MAKE UNITS SURVIVE MORE ENEMIES PER EP You may prefer killing more on PP but its meaningless difference from them suiciding on EP. I prefer to solo the place with Resolve Eddie but my preference don't mean he deserves to be higher on tier list. Why should your preference bring laura any higher on tier list? Edited April 18, 2011 by Sho.M.the.Money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhead Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Edward and Nolan for top of Heron tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) :facepalm: LAURA CANT HEAL MORE THAN ONCE PER TURN SO THE DIFFERENCE IS MEANINGLES ONE MORE ENEMY ON EP SO SHE DOESN'T REALLY HELP WHEN BEXP USED TO MAKE HER USEFULL CAN BE USED TO MAKE UNITS SURVIVE MORE ENEMIES PER EP You may prefer killing more on PP but its meaningless difference from them suiciding on EP. I prefer to solo the place with Resolve Eddie but my preference don't mean he deserves to be higher on tier list. Why should your preference bring laura any higher on tier list? ...I could say "Micaiah can't heal more than once per turn" and it'd make just as much sense. And since you brought them up: Meg takes a lot of movement penalties. Rhys may have a good offense, but he can't use BEXP well, and he won't be doubling anytime soon. Also, Rhys being stuck at 30 attack for a long time does him no favors. Edited April 18, 2011 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Laura not getting BEXP isn't a disadvantage, especially considering the low amount of it we get in Part 1. Laura does not need BEXP to do her job, while (almost) everyone else in the DB does. Advantage: Laura. Also, Rhys being stuck at 30 attack for a long time does him no favors. Tell me about it. Why can't we forge Light Tomes in Part 3? Edited April 18, 2011 by Radiant Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) ...I could say "Micaiah can't heal more than once per turn" and it'd make just as much sense. And since you brought them up: Meg takes a lot of movement penalties. Rhys may have a good offense, but he can't use BEXP well, and he won't be doubling anytime soon. 1st Miccy not doing much better makes Laura being useless more acceptable perhaps? 2nd Meg's shove helps once per chapter (turn 1) By shoveing those good units Laura can't shove 3rd How exactly Laura does anything that is worth higher spot than Rhys offence 4th Laura is waste of BEXP EDIT Long time? You mean untill lolearly promotion thanks to easy mode exp Edited April 18, 2011 by Sho.M.the.Money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 1st Miccy not doing much better makes Laura being useless more acceptable perhaps? 2nd Meg's shove helps once per chapter (turn 1) By shoveing those good units Laura can't shove 3rd How exactly Laura does anything that is worth higher spot than Rhys offence 4th Laura is waste of BEXP 1: Still not making much more sense. Laura being able to heal means Micaiah can attack, or we can heal twice in a turn. She's a net positive. 2: Healing > Shoving 3: Rhys' offence kind of sucks. They're both healers, but the DB need healers more 4: So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 You people need to make up your minds on what deployment is assumed. Because Rhys is the textbook definition of 'combat failure'. Even in EM, he's slow and frail and does shit damage with shit movement, and if Laura's healing is useless, so is his. The only way he could be better than Laura is if Rhys gets all the BEXP and Speedwings and forges in the universe to drag his combat from 'useless' to 'okay but still has 6 move'. Rhys has nothing to offer in terms of combat except for comedic relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 1st Miccy not doing much better makes Laura being useless more acceptable perhaps? 2nd Meg's shove helps once per chapter (turn 1) By shoveing those good units Laura can't shove 3rd How exactly Laura does anything that is worth higher spot than Rhys offence 4th Laura is waste of BEXP 1. What the hell is this double standard you're trying to lay down?? 2. I can think of a grand total of one, and said unit has high move to begin with. 3. Rhys probably won't even see many opportunities to put his offense to use, and even if he did, being stuck at 30 attack for a long time has got to sting. 4. *points to Radiant Dragon's post* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) 1: Still not making much more sense. Laura being able to heal means Micaiah can attack, or we can heal twice in a turn. She's a net positive. 2: Healing > Shoving 3: Rhys' offence kind of sucks. They're both healers, but the DB need healers more 4: So? 1 Not too big positive when her healing affects... Not at all 2 Read ^ 3 Neither needs healer and Rhys has offence without huge pile of BEXP 4 Rhys may have a good offense, but he can't use BEXP well, 1. What the hell is this double standard you're trying to lay down?? 2. I can think of a grand total of one, and said unit has high move to begin with. 3. Rhys probably won't even see many opportunities to put his offense to use, and even if he did, being stuck at 30 attack for a long time has got to sting. 4. *points to Radiant Dragon's post* 1 Miccy not doing much dont change the fact that Laura don't do much 2 one is more than 0 laura has 3 not many > Laura's 0 Edited April 18, 2011 by Sho.M.the.Money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 To be honest, I'm neutral in Laura vs. Rhys (They're both healers, they're on separate teams, who cares?). I'm just trying to say Laura isn't useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Im merely saying Rhys isnt just healer in mode where healing is not needed in a team where every chapter has forced healer. He has some offence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 1 Miccy not doing much dont change the fact that Laura don't do much 2 one is more than 0 laura has 3 not many > Laura's 0 1. Being the only healer for an entire part is still worth something. 2. You're desperate if you're relying on shoving to help Meg... 3. In fact, Rhys won't be seeing combat at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anouleth Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Im merely saying Rhys isnt just healer in mode where healing is not needed in a team where every chapter has forced healer. He has some offence What is that offense worth, when he doesn't double and has terrible durability and terrible movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) 1. Being the only healer for an entire part is still worth something. 2. You're desperate if you're relying on shoving to help Meg... 3. In fact, Rhys won't be seeing combat at all. 1 You know in any other mode/game of this series I would agreed with that 2 Not as desperate as your Laura arguments 3 He could and that is more than Laura can say What is that offense worth, when he doesn't double and has terrible durability and terrible movement? Not much but at least it can have some worth (more than laura ever has) even if its only chip or 2 in 3-1 Edited April 18, 2011 by Sho.M.the.Money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant Dragon Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 2 Not as desperate as your Laura arguments Laura's healing > Meg shoving. Laura actually brings something unique to the team, and is only one of two to do it in Part 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Laura's healing > Meg shoving. Laura actually brings something unique to the team, and is only one of two to do it in Part 3. I still say Meg's Shove can do something but I dont really care about her so: Rhys Laura Meg ... Happy? Also I meant Laura > Rhys arguments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 1 You know in any other mode/game of this series I would agreed with that 2 Not as desperate as your Laura arguments 3 He could and that is more than Laura can say 1. It may be easy mode, thbut that's no excuse to think 'lololol healing is useless'. 2. Excuse me.... Hahahahahahahaha! *out of breath* ...Really now??? Calling ME desperate when YOU'RE the one trying to use shoving for an argument??? Healing is unique. 3. Again, that offense is worth practically nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 1. It may be easy mode, thbut that's no excuse to think 'lololol healing is useless'. 2. Excuse me.... Hahahahahahahaha! *out of breath* ...Really now??? Calling ME desperate when YOU'RE the one trying to use shoving for an argument??? Healing is unique. 3. Again, that offense is worth practically nothing. 1 Its not excuse, its truth 2 I gave up on this one already but because you brought it up: As not unique as it is, Having shove is better than having healing without shove in this case 3 Laura's Healing is worth of nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Mir Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) 1 Its not excuse, its truth 2 I gave up on this one already but because you brought it up: As not unique as it is, Having shove is better than having healing without shove in this case 3 Laura's Healing is worth of nothing 1. Correction: To YOU, it is truth. 2. In what universe can Meg shove and Laura not? 3. And Rhys's offense is worth something despite him being a total combat failure?? Come now. Edited April 18, 2011 by Metal King Slime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 2. In what universe can Meg shove and Laura not? Actually, Meg can shove promoted Edward and Sothe, but Laura can't. That's really the only difference, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think this has been going on long enough but 1 Or is it? 2 Laura can shove... Ilyana and Miccy? Meg can Shove Eddie 3 As I said 1-2 chips might help in 2-1 and fixing rhys to be actually offensive for long time use is easier than doing it for Laura (read: needs less BEXP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Princess Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Meg is easily fixable on EM, combat wise at least Laura requires more BEXP than Meg. I'd say Meg is better. Laura can be BEXPED to 99 and use mend staves to grow faster, and her growths are good too > Rhys imo. Edited April 18, 2011 by Queen_Elincia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.f.k.a. Howard Hughes Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Good growths come with horrid tier one caps that troll them to oblivion. And Rhys can do quite well if he gets same treatment as your giving to Laura without hurting Eddie, Brolan and likes who want BEXP more than GMs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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