Parrhesia Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) HELLO, WORTHY COMPANIONS! I have seen the scarred battlefield of balance hacks. Nay, I have SURVEYED the CARNAGE! And it is good. It is also the reason for my 30% warn bar, but mostly it is good. And I have decided to give it a go for myself, because I figured why the fuck not? CHANGES MAY INCLUDE [spoiler=this is more or less completely unorganised]GENERAL CHANGES + All promotions happen through earth seal, save the lords. + Pegasi use swords before promotion. + Isadora and Vaida use male aid formula. + Effective weapons buffed, because of crappy x2 effectiveness formula I can't change. + Units use HM average stats even outside of HM. Harken is the opposite. + Caps generally raised. + Enemy stats improved + Holy Weapons + Sol Katti buffed + Nerfs to javs/handaxen/hawks/short/spears THE UNTOUCHED Matthew Legault Jaffar Lowen Hawkeye Hector Florina Fiora Vaida Geitz Heath Canas Ninils Serra Oswin THE BUFFS Eliwood Level 1 Fencer HP: 20 Str: 7 Skl: 8 Spd: 8 Lck: 7 Def: 6 Res: 0 Con: 7 Wallace (as Knight) HP: 36 (40) 100% Str: 16 (18) 60% Skl: 10 (12) 50% Spd: 7 (10) 30% Lck: 10 (10) 50% Def: 15 (17) 60% Res: 2 (5) 20% Rejoins next to player units Rath HP: 28 Str: 10 Spd: 14 Con: 7 B Bows Karel HP: 36 Spd: 25 Con: 11 Starts with a Lightbrand as well as his Wo Dao. Lyn HP: 18 Str: 6 Skl: 7 Def: 4 Con: 6 Erk HP: 18 Mag: 7 Skl: 7 Spd: 8 Def: 4 Con: 6 Louise HP: 32 Str: 15 Skl: 18 Def: 11 Con: 8 Nino Level 10 Mage HP: 25 Mag: 10 Skl: 12 Spd: 15 Lck: 15 Def: 6 Res: 11 Con: 5 Karla Level 5 Swordmaster HP: 35 Str: 18 Skl: 26 Spd: 24 Lck: 26 Def: 14 Res: 14 Con: 9 Lucius Lck: 6/30 Isadora Con: 9 Wil Level 4 Archer HP: 22/85 Str: 10/40 Skl: 10/60 Spd: 8/40 Lck: 8/40 Def: 7/30 Res: 0/15 Con: 8 Rebecca Level 3 Archer HP: 20 Str: 8/40 Skl: 9/60 Spd: 9/60 Lck: 6/50 Def: 6/25 Res: 2/25 Con: 7 Guy As base but with 7 Con. Dorcas Str: 9 Spd: 6/30 Bartre Str: 7 Spd: 7 Dart Spd: 10 Con: 12 Farina is free. THE NERFS Sain HP: 20 Str: 7 Spd: 5 Kent Spd: 6 Res: 0 Marcus HP: 30/50 Str: 12/30 Skl: 12/30 Spd: 11/15 Lck: 6/25 Def: 10/15 Res: 0/15 Con: 11 Class: Hero Weapon Ranks: A Sword, D Axe Starting Weapons: Silver Blade, Iron Blade Raven HP: 28 Str: 11 Skl: 13 Spd: 11 Lck: 2 Def: 6 Res: 0 Con: 8 Priscilla E Staves Pent Mag: 15 Spd: 13 Lck: 10 Def: 8 C Staves Athos Can no longer use Dark Magic. Harken starts with a Killing Edge and a Handaxe. The Brave Sword drops off Jerme or a random hero. This is more or less a first draft, so feel free to flame the shit out of it. EDIT: okay maybe the title doesn't need to be ALL-CAPS also yeah I wish I didn't do this all the fucking time Edited May 17, 2012 by Furetchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroMaster47 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Heh, not only a week after I start a FE7 balance hack, there is another. A lot of the changes you've put forward look really nice. Marcus may be nerfed, but I do approve of him being a hero. Thank God you haven't made the Short Bow 1-2 range. But Priscilla having 1 base def... why? Also, I think Karla and Nino should be listed under buffs, not nerfs, and why must you nerf Pent's awesomeness??? Eliwood's a Lv. 1... Fencer? Are you pulling an Yggdra Union on us? Or is that something weird in the localisation? Otherwise, these current changes are not bad at all. I'll betatest if you need me to. You're reason for making a hack is the same as mine: why the fuck not? Edited May 17, 2012 by HeroMaster47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 But Priscilla having 1 base def... why? Nothing more than that I felt she needed to take a hit, but I just thought of lowering her staff rank to E. Which would probably work a ton better so I'll put that into the OP. Also, I think Karla and Nino should be listed under buffs, not nerfs ... I'm organised! i mean NO NINO NEEDED THOSE FIVE MORE LEVELS TO ACHIEVE TRUE JUSTICE AT LEVEL 20/20 and why must you nerf Pent's awesomeness??? "Ah, just promoted Erk, have we? WELL SOZ BRAH" Eliwood's a Lv. 1... Fencer? Are you pulling an Yggdra Union on us? Or is that something weird in the localisation? I just like to differentiate the class names of the lords. Hector's a Gallant, Lyn's a ... something. Otherwise, these current changes are not bad at all. I'll betatest if you need me to.You're reason for making a hack is the same as mine: why the fuck not? pretty much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroMaster47 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) NO NINO NEEDED THOSE FIVE MORE LEVELS TO ACHIEVE TRUE JUSTICE AT LEVEL 20/20 YES! That's exactly what was needed! Priscilla having E-rank staves is probably better than her having 1 base Def. In vanilla FE7, her base is only 3, and her growth is 15% or something, so she'll be taking a hit if you're stupid enough to let her get in range of an attack anyway. Now it makes sense why Eliwood's called that now. Thanks for clearing that up. Edited May 17, 2012 by HeroMaster47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Farina in EM? (Dunno how the hell it'd work, though) Lyn could do with some more HP; 18/4 is still pretty bad. One single promotion item seems a bit unnecessary (I guess if you want to promote Matthew early or something you can) Put Bolting and status staves everywhere, they're great fun Other than that, changes look good! Edited May 17, 2012 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) That Pent Nerf is pretty extreme... Dart could use a tiny buff to his SKL growth. 7 base SPD for Bartre is kinda too high. He has a 40% growth. I think he might be too good with a 7 base SPD. A 5 or 6 would be better. I really like what you plan to do with Marcus and a CON buff is definitely a good idea for those anorexic units. Stupid Guy... edit: HOLY SHIT! 26 LUCK for Karla?? Is that a typo? Her base stats will all be fucking insane... Edited May 17, 2012 by Hawk King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 The mighty Shin has arrived! After taming the beast known as FE4 balance (or at least I tell myself that), I will aid part of my OTP! CHANGES MAY INCLUDE [spoiler=this is more or less completely unorganised]GENERAL CHANGES + All promotions happen through earth seal, save the lords. Interesting twist - I'd like to see how this turns out. + Pegasi use swords before promotion. - Also interesting, changes their early game quite a bit. + Isadora and Vaida use male aid formula. - Hey look, they can actually rescue people! + Effective weapons buffed, because of crappy x2 effectiveness formula I can't change. Could work out well, I've never really had an issue with them. + Units use HM average stats even outside of HM. Harken is the opposite. Uh... so there's no such thing as HM bonuses? + Caps generally raised. I didn't notice much cap ramming in FE7, still, I guess it can't hurt. Sain will love you for this. + Enemy stats improved Woo! + Holy Weapons + Sol Katti buffed Sol Katti definitely needed it! THE UNTOUCHED Matthew - Groovy Legault - Swell Jaffar - Funky Lowen - I'd suggest a minor buff, but at least you didn't nerf him! Hawkeye - He was the man any way Hector - See above Florina - She was fine, but I guess she benefits from swords Fiora - See above Vaida - Maybe a tad slow, but still understandable Geitz - Fine Heath - Bodacious Canas - Another candidate for a buff, especially since enemies are tougher Ninils - Boogie! Serra - Coolio Oswin - Other than the move, he's gold. But I guess your promotion edit fixes that. THE BUFFS Eliwood A much needed early game boost Level 1 Fencer HP: 20 Str: 7 Skl: 8 Spd: 8 Lck: 7 Def: 6 Res: 0 Con: 7 Wallace (as Knight) HP: 36 (40) 100% Str: 16 (18) 60% Skl: 10 (12) 50% Spd: 7 (10) 30% Lck: 10 (10) 50% Def: 15 (17) 60% Res: 2 (5) 20% Rejoins next to player units No more suicide for you! Rath Helps him catch up, nice stuff! HP: 28 Str: 10 Spd: 14 Con: 7 B Bows Karel 11's pretty high, but no biggie. HP: 36 Spd: 25 Con: 11 Starts with a Lightbrand as well as his Wo Dao. Lyn - Woo. HP: 18 Str: 6 Skl: 7 Def: 4 Con: 6 Erk No complaints here HP: 18 Mag: 7 Skl: 7 Spd: 8 Def: 4 Con: 6 Louise No real comments. HP: 32 Str: 15 Skl: 18 Def: 11 Con: 8 Nino Hey look, she's not trash! I would have done something similar. Level 10 Mage HP: 25 Mag: 10 Skl: 12 Spd: 15 Lck: 15 Def: 6 Res: 11 Con: 5 Karla Somewhat usable now. Level 5 Swordmaster HP: 35 Str: 18 Skl: 26 Spd: 24 Lck: 26 Def: 14 Res: 14 Con: 9 Lucius Doesn't crit-explode, cool. Lck: 6/30 Isadora - Isn't weighed down by stuff, fun. Con: 9 Wil A much needed base boost. Level 2 Archer HP: 20/85 Str: 8/60 Skl: 8/60 Spd: 6/40 Lck: 8/40 Def: 7/30 Res: 0/15 Con: 8 Rebecca See above Level 1 Archer HP: 18 Str: 7/40 Skl: 7/60 Spd: 7/60 Lck: 4/50 Def: 5/25 Res: 2/25 Con: 7 Guy Sure, why not? As base but with 7 Con. Dorcas Workable Str: 9 Spd: 6/30 Bartre That speed saves him. Str: 7 Spd: 7 Dart Con? Sure. Spd: 10 Con: 12 Farina is free. Free? Well, no harm done. THE NERFS Sain Pretty minor, but hey. HP: 20 Str: 7 Spd: 5 Kent Again, pretty minor. Spd: 6 Res: 0 Marcus Ouch, you've hit him pretty hard, early game HHM is going to be a pain. HP: 30/50 Str: 12/30 Skl: 12/30 Spd: 8/15 Lck: 6/25 Def: 10/15 Res: 0/15 Con: 11 Class: Hero Weapon Ranks: A Sword, D Axe Starting Weapons: Silver Blade, Iron Blade Raven Gives Guy a chance, his speed was pretty crazy any way. HP: 28 Str: 11 Skl: 13 Spd: 11 Lck: 2 Def: 6 Res: 0 Con: 8 Priscilla She'll get back up to D in no time. I guess it gives people a reason to use Serra. E Staves Pent Ouch. Now he's a replacement Lucius. Insta-warp, I shall miss you. Mag: 15 Spd: 13 Lck: 10 Def: 8 C Staves Athos Hey look, the dragon might be an actual challenge! Can no longer use Dark Magic. Harken starts with a Killing Edge and a Handaxe. The Brave Sword drops off Jerme or a random hero. Nice stuff. I commend you on Bartre and Nino. Marcus may have been hit a little too hard, but it's your call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 That Pent Nerf is pretty extreme... I'll probably make him start closer to the main group so that the desert chapter doesn't completely fuck him over. In fact, given that I usually just let Pent roll that and try to pick off both bosses, I could use some advice on how to make that better. ... Maybe just make sand count as normal tiles. Dart could use a tiny buff to his SKL growth. Tiny buffs get tiny results. 7 base SPD for Bartre is kinda too high. He has a 40% growth. I think he might be too good with a 7 base SPD. A 5 or 6 would be better. Lowen also has 7 str/spd, and is mounted. I don't hear a lot about his being 'too good'. edit: HOLY SHIT! 26 LUCK for Karla?? Is that a typo? Her base stats will all be fucking insane... Her base luck is actually pretty damn high. I mean, she's your 'reward' for sticking with Bartre... so I figured, let's make her actually somewhat rewarding. Nice stuff. I commend you on Bartre and Nino. Marcus may have been hit a little too hard, but it's your call. Marcus will probably need playtesting, but on the whole I'm happy with this draft for him. Thanks for your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Thats cause Lowen has 30% STR and SPD growths. I honestly think Bartre would be too good. Definitly the best non-mounted combat unit. Its your balance hack though so in the end its your call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Lowen has mediocre offensive growths. He also has excellent defences, and is mounted with partial and then total weapon triangle control, with a practically perfect 10 constitution. Bartre still has to contend with Raven, a boosted Guy, a boosted Dorcas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Holy fuck, Wallace might actually be usable. This looks interesting. Also, is Eliwood still the main lord, even though he's a fencer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrhesia Posted May 17, 2012 Author Share Posted May 17, 2012 Again, all three lords have PURELY COSMETIC and LARGELY POINTLESS class name changes just because I disliked that three completely different classes had the same name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 And Barte has a "Super Karla" incentive to use him now. As it stands I would use Bartre over the other 3 every time. Like I said, its your call. If no one else thinks it too much then it shouldn't be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZemZem Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Again, all three lords have PURELY COSMETIC and LARGELY POINTLESS class name changes just because I disliked that three completely different classes had the same name. Ah, makes sense. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasied Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 That Marcus nerf looks a bit extreme to me. I think he should have at least 10 speed. 8 speed on a hero just looks kinda jarring to me. With a spd boost and an iron sword instead of blade his earlygame softening utility could last longer than what it would with 8 speed and he would still get obsoleted like you seem to want him to. Other than that, big tick of approval from me. Whatever that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekkah Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 bring the patch man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Going to echo the others on the Marcus nerf: If you're going to increase the enemy stats, then maybe it shouldn't be as harsh. Although, iirc, FE6!Marcus had stats like this, and he was okay enough. hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Red Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 ohhhh yeaaaaaaah bring on the Furets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Rebecca and Wil still look bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Going to echo the others on the Marcus nerf: If you're going to increase the enemy stats, then maybe it shouldn't be as harsh. Although, iirc, FE6!Marcus had stats like this, and he was okay enough. even FE6 marcus had 11 spd 9/11 in str/skl is what FE6 marcus had which was perfectly fine Edited May 17, 2012 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 Aside from the Marcus nerf (</3), I approve of these changes. There's actually significance to these, unlike most of the usual "balance hacks" that tweak stat caps for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Just turn Marcus into FE6 Marcus and all is well I mean fuck he won't solo the game anymore but HHM enemies aren't as strong as FE6HM enemies so it'd still keep him relevant without soloing the entire game with a Silver Axe Edited May 17, 2012 by Luminescent Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Marcus will probably need playtesting, but on the whole I'm happy with this draft for him. Thanks for your thoughts. I don't think Marcus needs to be nerfed that hard, if at all, if he's a Hero. 6 move certainly isn't soloing the game, especially since he can't rescue Hector! Especially that 8 speed, I mean come on, Marcus loses AS from Hand Axes, and 25% speed growth is one of the lowest in the game aside from like, Jaffar and Dorcas. Just turn Marcus into FE6 Marcus and all is well I mean fuck he won't solo the game anymore but HHM enemies aren't as strong as FE6HM enemies so it'd still keep him relevant without soloing the entire game with a Silver Axe I don't recall the Silver Axe being that useful? Edited May 17, 2012 by Refa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ether Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 A balance hack that makes sense this can'f be SF what is going o- oh wait it was conceived by Furet. All's well in the world once again. This gets me seal of approval as well except you should have buffed Pent, not nerfed him. What you do is make him join in the desert with dem new bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Odinson Posted May 17, 2012 Share Posted May 17, 2012 I don't recall the Silver Axe being that useful? Marcus decided to cleanly ORKO Darin with one on my last non-female-only HHM run, while the others can't even do with effective weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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