Nicolas Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Hello! Last time I looked for some guide or faq for FE8 and everybody think the best promotion for Gerik is hero. I'm disagreed with it. Why? You will get better promotion bonus as ranger(HP:+3, STR:+2, SKL and SPD:+1, DEF and RES:+3, MOV:+2) than as hero(HP:+3. STR:+1, SKL and SPD: +2, DEF and RES:+2, CON:+2, MOV:+1). Even if you are worried about no CON bonus keep calm, using bows&swords you will don't need it. You will get 2 less max SKL point, but 4 more max SPD point! Gerik using Garm has the same avoid as Gerik using a Nidhogg, but if you will use no-sacred weapons he ranger will get more avoid! Even if you miss Hand Axe and you do not think Swords+Bows>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hand Axe, you can still use magic swords. Longbows + 7 MOV is deadly combination. Bows are better against Draco Zombie than axes. So, tell me, what is the reason to wasting such brilliant ranger making him hero? // If you see an error in my post, I'm sorry but I don't use English all days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 1-2 HandAxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 @up Did you read all my post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSND Alter Dragon Boner Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 (edited) Yes, and if you want a quick one by one reply heres basically my thoughts process You will get better promotion bonus as ranger(HP:+3, STR:+2, SKL and SPD:+1, DEF and RES:+3, MOV:+2) than as hero(HP:+3. STR:+1, SKL and SPD: +2, DEF and RES:+2, CON:+2, MOV:+1). Even if you are worried about no CON bonus keep calm, using bows&swords you will don't need it.> This one's pretty cool You will get 2 less max SKL point, but 4 more max SPD point!> Who give a damn Gerik using Garm has the same avoid as Gerik using a Nidhogg, but if you will use no-sacred weapons he ranger will get more avoid!> Gerik. Use Nidhogg. What Even if you miss Hand Axe and you do not think Swords+Bows>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hand Axe, you can still use magic swords.> They are not buyable most of the time Longbows + 7 MOV is deadly combination.> Lolbows Bows are better against Draco Zombie than axes.> Can't I simply use a Sacred Twins? Like I have Seth and Duessel around Edited May 26, 2013 by JSND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Innes is a good bow user because he has the weapon ranks to use all the good bows besides Nidhogg, where he can get easily if you use Short Bow with its doubled wexp gain a few times. It doesn't matter much if he fails to get there too; you just stop using him and field more mounted units so that they kill eggs in that one chapter. Gerik's not reaching his caps in an efficient run and appreciates both the extra point of speed and, as mentioned, Hand Axes for optimal enemy phase performance. Whether playing Eirika or Ephraim route, Gerik joins at a time where rout chapters are coming at you one after another. Being able to counter at 1 and 2 range is a pretty big deal. tl;dr FE8 is very enemy-phased oriented and it's hard to get away with being a bow user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeCrush980 Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 One reason Hero > Ranger: Hand Axes. That said it's still a tough call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkkfan Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Short Bow with its doubled wexp gain a few times. You learn something new every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Emblem Fan Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I prefer to make Niemi my Ranger. I like to have at least one of everything in terms of classes, for the most part everything. And Gerik is the only one who can become a Hero, if I remember right, and I like Heroes, so he's the only choice I got. I already have a good Sniper in Innes, so Niemi would be my only choice for a Ranger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Garcia and Ross. There's 6 units for 5 classes in that class tree so you can double up on one of the classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Laufeyson Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Gerik usually ends up as a Ranger on my runs because dat move. Either way you look at it, Gerik is an amazing dude to have on your team. I just like horsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I think ranger Gerik actually is used in speedruns, where Hand Axes be damned, the extra move is more important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewjeo Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I dunno, I found Ranger!Gerik pretty lame in my last efficiency run, and at least dondon used Hero!Gerik in his 0% growths run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titamon Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Short Bow FE8 has Short Bows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadykid Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I dunno, I found Ranger!Gerik pretty lame in my last efficiency run, and at least dondon used Hero!Gerik in his 0% growths run. pretty sure the latest SDA speedrun uses ranger gerik dunno about TAS though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espinosa Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 FE8 has Short Bows? Can't remember where I got mine, but I just opened up a midgame save and Innes is equipped with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondon151 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 dunno about TAS though gerik would probably cost more frames to promote than he would save by doing anything ever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_ Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I think Gerik was used unpromoted to handle reinforcements in Chapter 11 or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 dondon ur ghey Also I like Hammers and Halberds for various bosses that, in certain runs, Gerik can dispose of. Most flying units Gerik comes across in either route are easy that you don't need bows, and for the most part Rescuedropping him makes up for having one less move. In this case, it's stellar offense vs very average to mediocre offense that offsets the move advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 While the +mov, bows and sword combo is pretty neat, the sheer versatility a Hand axe provides cannot be outdone by neither sword or bow. It's not like you can switch between weapons mid-enemy phase. Give Hero Gerik some boots and he's golden. Promotion gains be damned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I've used Ranger!Gerik and he isn't bad. Statwise he's similar to Hero, and the extra move is nice. However, no hand axes does hurt... and I could only get him to B bows by final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 I did not think about you all tell me that Gerik is better hero because he can use hand axes -_-". I agreed, hand axe is nice weapon, but better than bows+1MOV? Anyway, what if Gerik with hand axe has less attack that is need to kill his opponent, but with steel axe/iron blade/ steel bow enough to do this? Ewen if you still miss hand axe you can easy get runesword. Go to the ToV. Exit tower. Save. Reenter ToV. Kill one bonewalker by paladin/wyvern and enjoy your new runesword with weapon range 1~2. So, again tell me what is the reason to wasting such brilliant, hi-movement, versatile and speed ranger making him hero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel M Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Because getting the Runesword involves what many individuals won't do - ToV grind?I mean if we're going that far, we might as well grind the boots and make Mov irrelevant to the argument altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted35362 Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 It's better to have Neimi as a Ranger and Gerik as the DIECK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 @Colonel M Getting Swiftsole is heavy inference to the game balance, what mean it its the same thing as cheating, but using runesword do not broke the game( in mu opinion, of course). Many people(like me) probably unconsciously using this trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 I'm also wonder how many people even try Gerik as ranger. I think not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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