peener weener Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I had a game recently where a Kayle carried us. A Kayle. Carried us. What has the world come to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercrow Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Kayle lategame is pretty strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Kayle lategame is pretty strong Kayle is fairly underrated for sure. I heard she has great jungle speeds and whatever though haven't tried it so take this with a grain of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEST TRYNDAMERE PLAYER Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I had a game recently where a Kayle carried us. A Kayle. Carried us. What has the world come to. Kayle is super strong lategame if allowed to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Kayle can rape early too. I faced a jungle Kayle a couple days ago. My team kinda lol'd because we didn't think Kayle would be any good at jungling. But mid underestimated her and gave up first blood three minutes in. Five minutes later, she ganked me and my partner bot under our turret and got a double kill. Then, proceeded to rape face. Went something like 11/1/2... and we surrendered at 20 minutes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercrow Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Kayle is fairly underrated for sure. I heard she has great jungle speeds and whatever though haven't tried it so take this with a grain of salt. I play jungle Kayle on occasion if somebody wants to play something like an Urgot or play a kill lane bottom (e.g. Leona Jarvan), it works quite well and she jungles quickly with fairly high HP with decent ganks. Worth a try sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriane Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Kayle is one of the scariest champs early game - nobody can 1v1 her in lane and win. Pair her with a cc-happy support and send your true ADC to mid or top for maximum win, or just send her top as she'll demolish most matchups easily. Assuming you're not completely incompetent with her. Mid's harder but you can pull it off vs the shorter-ranged ones, especially if they have weak early games, and sometimes even if they don't. From there, it's just a matter of either snowballing with mid game items, or using your huge lead to stay ahead while farming up the traditional IE PD BT LW. Fed Kayle is scary and it doesn't hurt that I always get 3 seconds of invincibility to deal craptons of damage. Protip: try to force fights in jungle, because that way your splash damage hits more people. For jungle Kayle, start wraiths red - you don't need damage help to finish wraiths and get to red before it spawns - and go for a level 2 mid or sidelane gank. When I jungle Kayle, I can reasonably expect to hard carry the game. Yeah, Kayle's totally underrated by most of the community, or have you not seen Exuzas lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Yeah, Kayle's totally underrated by most of the community, or have you not seen Exuzas lately? Apparently he's "Spam Happy" or whatever's smurf. So not really impressed by a ~2.3k killing 1.7k elo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriane Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I just had to play 3 games to get one without ragers. And that last one without the ragers? It lasted way too long because nobody wanted to group up despite all the requests. Should have been a 25 minute game. Went into 50 minutes. >.> At least I had fun playing it. Also: proven that Kayle is at least viable up to 1.7k. You're 1.7k? (besides, y'know, zekent playing Kayle in his regular games up at 2.3k. Yeah.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenz Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 How do you guys like to build Kayle? I'm quite partial to Black Cleaver/Frozen Mallet on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriane Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 In my experience, those aren't bad items...but then there are very few bad items on Kayle. Thing about BC is that it's a very early game item, and also note that the shred kind of conflicts with her passive. If you're dominating in lane, get BC, sure. (Same reasoning as applies to Corki, who also makes good use of it if he gets it very early game.) Otherwise, better your BFS item be a BT or IE. Frozen Mallet is just good in general. I'm going to test a Wit's End + FM build when I get around to it. Meanwhile, two ways which work well are rageblade rush and traditional ADC. Check out Rincent's guide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercrow Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Black Cleaver is core on Kayle. The shread from Black Cleaver and her passive stack favorably, as well as attack speed synergizing with righteous fury, so for a relatively small amount of gold (compared to other AD items) you get a lot of damage. Generally it's something like Wriggles -> Berserkers -> Black Cleaver -> Infinity Edge -> Phantom Dancer/Triforce -> Situational (QSS, Banshee, GA, etc). Can sell the wriggles lategame for a bloodthirster or something. I don't think Frozen Mallet is really necessary, since you've already got a pretty brutal slow and probably red buff. If you want health, warmogs is a possibility. This is, however, jungle Kayle, so an alternative more tanky on-hit build (with Wit's End and Mallet and etc) could also work in a solo lane. Edited April 29, 2012 by Silvercrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I just had to play 3 games to get one without ragers. And that last one without the ragers? It lasted way too long because nobody wanted to group up despite all the requests. Should have been a 25 minute game. Went into 50 minutes. >.> At least I had fun playing it. Also: proven that Kayle is at least viable up to 1.7k. You're 1.7k? (besides, y'know, zekent playing Kayle in his regular games up at 2.3k. Yeah.) Nearly every character is viable up to 1.7k and the only one I can think of that is particularly terrible is Evelyn. Either way, superior players should be able to beat inferior players even with weaker characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEST TRYNDAMERE PLAYER Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) Apparently he's "Spam Happy" or whatever's smurf. So not really impressed by a ~2.3k killing 1.7k elo. 1700 is still top percentile. So if it works in 1700 it works in lower elo brackets. Also, some of the games in 1700 play out similarly to the games you see in plat streams. And I've watched a couple of streams of plat players smurfing in 1700+ elo and even they had difficulty of carrying games on their own. How do I know this? I've had a rating of 1700 multiple times. If I'm not in the 1700s, I'm somewhere around the 1600s(usually upper) Edited April 29, 2012 by Number One Ezreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) I WORKED OUT A FORMULA FOR VARUS PENTAKILLS note it is not actually a formula it is just a bunch of instructions 1. make teamfight 2. ult 3. get kill 4. passive proc 5. there you go Edited April 30, 2012 by Stolypin Necktie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 1700 is still top percentile. So if it works in 1700 it works in lower elo brackets. Also, some of the games in 1700 play out similarly to the games you see in plat streams. And I've watched a couple of streams of plat players smurfing in 1700+ elo and even they had difficulty of carrying games on their own. How do I know this? I've had a rating of 1700 multiple times. If I'm not in the 1700s, I'm somewhere around the 1600s(usually upper) I've seen Saintvicious go through 1700 ELO with Master Yi. ELO doesn't work so well as a testament to a character's ability when you're talking about people way beyond the bracket they're within. They may have some amount of trouble but not significant enough to halt their climb upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriane Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Dan Dinh won an Evelynn game at whatever he's at. People just need to stop QQing already. Meanwhile, Silvercrow, I build Kayle completely differently from how you do it. Personally found BC very underwhelming every time I built it, and yes this is jungle Kayle. But ok, for the way you play her, it more than likely works out very well for you. That's one thing I love about Kayle, the versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) OH MY FUCKING GOD WHY WOULD YOU EVEN PLAY DRAFT IF ALL YOU'RE GONNA DO IS INSTALOCK TOP OLAF AS LAST PICK WHEN WE NEED A MID AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A JUNGLER FOR WHATEVER REASON Edited April 30, 2012 by Stolypin Necktie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esau of Isaac Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I can't. I can't stand this game. The gameplay is so addicting but everyone that plays is just the worst human being. I don't even care if someone is terrible at playing, but when most of the people I play with are uncooperative, self-fellating, aggressive douchebags I just...I don't want to play ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvercrow Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 /ignore is beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I can't. I can't stand this game. The gameplay is so addicting but everyone that plays is just the worst human being. I don't even care if someone is terrible at playing, but when most of the people I play with are uncooperative, self-fellating, aggressive douchebags I just...I don't want to play ever. You should play with us as a group sometime :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peener weener Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm always up fer it. I have a good attitude all the time but I suck. I guess it's a "pick one" kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK-201 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I'm always up fer it. I have a good attitude all the time but I suck. I guess it's a "pick one" kind of thing. Doesn't matter too much about skill. Was nice playing with SF arranged 4s + that one person that Sakura brought in. Not always up for a game is the problem with me and right now I'm suffering from latency issues that make it really annoying to play at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriane Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 There are SF arranged 5s? Why did I not hear of this before? I'll play Kayle. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEST TRYNDAMERE PLAYER Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 olaf top or afk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts