TheSilentChloey Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 For Dark Flier you could try maybe DLC Iote's Shield...? I'm just saying. I don't think that I have access to Iote's Shield. Bowbreaker and Tomebreaker would help as a compromise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well in that case then I've just ran out of ideas. Swapping Bowbreaker and Tomebreaker back-and-forth is really the only think that I could think off. : / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vascela Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Severa already has pretty much everything she needs - faires/endclass options/mods are all she really stands to gain from her father. In general, if you're not optimizing for Apotheosis then it doesn't really matter what you do to be honest. I'm not trying to be rude - it's just that if you have so many non optimized preferences then no one can really help you set up what you want except yourself. Technically, even "optimizing" for Apotheosis doesn't really matter. Whether or not it's needed (hell, even its existence in general is called into question) doesn't stop people from coming here and asking for help. Plus, someone might have a pairing in mind, but doesn't know a good math proof for a setup. Take any child and Yoshi can tell you the benefits of running AS+2, certain +Spd pair ups, +Spd classes options for X class spouse, etc. Those things aren't exactly what people asking for help know. And I'm right when I say it probably will never really matter about that single pair ideally (you have so many units in the first place, one can be off-perfect). It's still comforting (at a minimum), to hand out advice that puts those players at ease. Give them a skillset and why it works as opposed to just copy/paste X general skills for Y pairings blindly accepting something as fact. Or telling them go ham and them end up dying in secret wave 2. "Oh, learn to use rescue staff" might sound like something extremely obvious to a player who knows how to use rescue staves--but it's not really the ideal advice. Yeah, if everyone learned how to play exactly like I did, then nobody would need to ask questions. But we don't live in that ideal world where people take the time to learn for days on days. So the best alternative is helping them when they ask for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) To be fair, I can make my Gregor!Severa work in Apotheosis, and while its not the greatest pairings (compare to the more obvious being Lon'qu, Vaike, & Stahl), its certainly not the worst and is o_k at best. Of course theres going to be differences in people's discretions, but the point is theres more to team building and optimization that its not really a matter of 'who is the best father for _____?' Edited November 22, 2015 by Formerly Colm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) Technically, even "optimizing" for Apotheosis doesn't really matter. Whether or not it's needed (hell, even its existence in general is called into question) doesn't stop people from coming here and asking for help. Well put. For players inexperienced with the map, feeling prepared going in often does more work than actually being prepared, so optimization is almost like a placebo in that sense. I just find playing around with numbers to be a funner and more useful way of doing that than, say, drilling into people's heads that there's a Sniper that can ORKO anything you send at it on Wave 2. There is, but just knowing that doesn't really make you feel any more prepared. For Dark Flier you could try maybe DLC Iote's Shield...? I'm just saying. Meh, Iote's Shield isn't very good. Ricken!Severa can work nicely as a Sniper, Paladin, Sage, DF or Bride. Also consider BK and DK. Edited November 22, 2015 by Czar_Yoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSilentChloey Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well put. For players inexperienced with the map, feeling prepared going in often does more work than actually being prepared, so optimization is almost like a placebo in that sense. I just find playing around with numbers to be a funner and more useful way of doing that than, say, drilling into people's heads that there's a Sniper that can ORKO anything you send at it on Wave 2. There is, but just knowing that doesn't really make you feel any more prepared. Meh, Iote's Shield isn't very good. Ricken!Severa can work nicely as a Sniper, Paladin, Sage, DF or Bride. Also consider BK and DK. That is another option to consider then. I thought that Ricken's mag mods would doom her to just magic D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral "Bull" Halsey Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (edited) I never said that Ricken!Severa would be terrible as a physical unit, I only recommend Severa as a magic unit so that she can take advantage of Ricken's Mag mod. : T Edited November 22, 2015 by Formerly Colm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckc22 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Which I did... anyways. Thank you for reminding me that I never figured out a way to put people on ignore on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizziah Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 So something on reddit got me thinking, in a hypothetical situation where oppurtunity cost isn't added into affect, would Libra be the best alternate for Kjelle if she doesn't have Gauis or Donny as her dad? Not really asking for help here, just wanted some crafting thoughts on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PkStarstorm Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I'm having a bit of a problem: Who should I pair Panne, Maribelle, Miriel, Tharja, and Nowi with? Mu, Kellam, Gaius, Donnel, and Lon'qu are already taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I'm having a bit of a problem: Who should I pair Panne, Maribelle, Miriel, Tharja, and Nowi with? Mu, Kellam, Gaius, Donnel, and Lon'qu are already taken. Hmm? Well then, I'd suggest something like... Tharja x Vaike Maribelle x Virion Panne x Stahl Miriel x Gregor Nowi x Henry ... Though that's just me. I think you can also do Tharja x Frederick and Nowi x Vaike and be fine all things considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 That is another option to consider then. I thought that Ricken's mag mods would doom her to just magic D: I never said that Ricken!Severa would be terrible as a physical unit, I only recommend Severa as a magic unit so that she can take advantage of Ricken's Mag mod. : T Her Str/Mag are +1/2. That's pretty solidly mixed- restricting her to Mag only because her Mag mod is higher is like restricting Stahl!Owain to Mag only for the same reason. It's technically true, but not as important as putting their epic class sets to use. Thank you for reminding me that I never figured out a way to put people on ignore on this site. Buh? So something on reddit got me thinking, in a hypothetical situation where oppurtunity cost isn't added into affect, would Libra be the best alternate for Kjelle if she doesn't have Gauis or Donny as her dad? Not really asking for help here, just wanted some crafting thoughts on it. In this case, I doubt opportunity cost matters since Libra isn't very in demand. If anything, it would be Robin, since she really wants him but he's both busy and doesn't like Sully. A +Spd from him would grant procstack 75 Spd Wyvern, and a +Mag would grant Valkyrie with decent Mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PkStarstorm Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Hmm? Well then, I'd suggest something like... Tharja x Vaike Maribelle x Virion Panne x Stahl Miriel x Gregor Nowi x Henry ... Though that's just me. I think you can also do Tharja x Frederick and Nowi x Vaike and be fine all things considered. Ok, these pairings sound good. Thanks for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizziah Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Er, not counting Robin, I suppose. I tend to forget about him because he's such a unique unit my mind seperates him from other 1st gen dads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Without GF, Kjelle already has 4 classes and doesn't really need anything. I guess I would just vote for Vaike, because AF is nice if she can't get LF, and she gets those physical mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckc22 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Buh? I'm not a fan of Vascela or basically anything that he posts. We have multiple page arguments throughout this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Should Lissa!Morgan reclass to GM after getting Tomefaire or stay in Sage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Should Lissa!Morgan reclass to GM after getting Tomefaire or stay in Sage? You have anyone else as GM? I had Owain as one and Morgan as a Valkyrie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Just Robin atm. Owain is a Dread Fighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Then yeah, I'd go for Grandmaster. I like having two of those at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthboundAddict Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Is lonqu!Yarne a good in-game pairing. I'm at chapter 12 and Panne and Lonqu are already at A rank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucina's Husband Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Finalized my pairings but don't have a skill set for Virion! Gerome @ Warrior or Henry! Nah @Valkyrie as heavy supports for Donnel! Kjelle @Paladin and Lon'qu! Brady @Sage, respectively. I am assuming Hit Rate +20, Bowfaire, Aggressor,All Stats +2, and Limit Breaker for Gerome and Magic + 2, Tomefaire, Limit Breaker, All Stats +2, and either Hex, Anathema, or Dual Support+ for Nah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar_Yoshi Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yes for Gerome. Nah will want Vengeance for when she comes up front and likely Anathema as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiant head Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 How good is Gregor!Nah? Laurent is unpaired, so figure there's little point in optimizing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vascela Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Brady's theoretical hit rate (assuming no rally heart, but yes to LB): ~258 rounded, which is an ideal hit. 148.5 (Stats) + 95 (Celica's +5/+15/0) + 15 (Non-DuSu+ support) I'd put DuSu+ off the table, but Nah herself (in the back) will take on 128.5 + 95 = ~223 hit. Hexnathema might contest that free spot + Mag+2 (which gives her 248). And if she's not attacking the high avo enemies in the first place, then Mag+2 certainly beats out hex (and Anathema should be enough to cover her bases). Plus, auras are going to be great for your team overall--just keep in mind that no matter what you choose between Hex/Anathema/DuSu+ that none of them are probably going to help Laurent unless you have Nah lead over Brady (which will certainly tank Brady's hit by 21 after the loss of pair up assuming no DuSu+). That makes Anathema look a little more appealing; keep in mind that this is more of a trade Mag+2 out for an aura and fill the blank with Vengeance. All in all, you got plenty of options, but I think it's safe to rule out DuSu+. Maybe fiddle with Mag+2. Either way, the auras are also likely to help you low end hit units that may or may not be reaping the benefits of a hexnathema rescue bot from spotpass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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