eclipse Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Even outside of Mafia, it's like an OC game RL is a gigantic mafia game. Never forget this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 OK ##Vote: Eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Alas, voting doesn't work as expected, scum acts in completely unexpected ways, people play against their win condition constantly, and your role PM isn't written by you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 And lynching people, even with a majority, tends to be frowned upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Again, I apologize for my poor play this game. Hopefully I'll do better next time. You didn't really do that bad. TBH it was less a case of you looking scummy and more a case of you not looking as townie as some other people. Sorry to Manix and the rest of the scumteam. I was pretty apathetic about this game until D3, at which point it was kind of too late. I shouldn't have joined in the first place and rolling mafia when I really didn't want to and would have asked Manix to make me town if he hadn't explicitly said he was randomizing everything didn't help. I've simply auto-inned for everything for so long that until recently where I was just hosting instead of playing, I didn't realize how much time mafia takes up. I'd kind of just organized stuff around it. And now it feels like I'm organizing mafia around other stuff and I kind of don't want to. I don't think my "town meta" is accurate at all because I did most of that stuff in Healer but whatever, it'll make my next scumgame where I actually care from the beginning way easier, so HEH. #playingthemetagame I dunno why you guys are talking about other people obviously being Manix since Manix's playstyle fluctuates, I mean compare his recent games to when he was Bear_Knight. But Bear_Knight was Snike... And on a serious note, Bear_Knight was a long time ago and still when Manix was a relatively new player. I don't really think that it's still fluctuating as much. I mean, I don't think that mine's changed much in the last few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 But Bear_Knight was Snike...that's the joke, i spent the game 99% sure he was manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 oh shit I actually thought he was Manix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 I now wish I had just stolen BBM's role because that would've been hilarious (this was my second choice behind recruiting).it wasn't a rolesteal, it was a rolecop reading is tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Considering the rolespec worked I'm not sure why we should've done less of it this game? But lol gg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 it isnt really that rolespec worked, its that roles actually CLEARED townies. also hehehehe I don't have a town meta because I'M ALWAYS TOWN lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Well, given the ratio of rolespec to proper scumhunting I have done in the past two games, and the respective results, I know what I'll be doing in future games. And I'll be mostly joining as a last-resort sub, as I have been doing, so if your game is going well I won't be there at all. Edited February 23, 2014 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 keikaku doori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Well, given the ratio of rolespec to proper scumhunting I have done in the past two games,strong incentive to host more mostly-vanilla games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Considering the rolespec worked I'm not sure why we should've done less of it this game? But lol gg. Well, people kept operating based on the N1 kill being blocked even though it wasn't, and if I was town and the suggestions of the people who were advocating lynching between you and me were followed, the town would have lynched me, you, and maybe even Wen, and still not hit scum. It's kind of like Villains 2 where the town kept assuming LJS was hooking kills when it was actually a force-idled kill and a hit ITP BPV that were the reason behind no deaths, and that lead to two mislynches. Whereas if people had just lynched who they thought was scummiest off play they might have lynched me and won. It worked here, but that doesn't mean it'll always work and I think that's what Manix meant? That being said, Manix, I know you like not giving the mafia fakes because you consider coming up with fakes as part of the fun of being scum, but that invariably makes rolespeccing easier and more valid for town. The mafia have to guess at what town has and what it doesn't, and while that might be more "fun", it leads to a lot more CCs and a lot more "we have too many X-type roles so one of them is probably scum" type of hunting. Whereas if you give the mafia good fakes and design the setup around that, rolespeccing is more likely to result in a town loss. So you can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 it's probably less viable in role mad games but games with vanillas... expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 AND IN OTHER NEWS: Re-taking sign-ups, since no one objected to me re-opening them. Also, stop making me anti-town, guys. It's getting irritating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 (also noting that this setup was pretty ancient, and i couldn't be stuffed making large scale changes to it also i did mention that the jan existed so scum could get fakes, but uh. yeah) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) strong incentive to host more mostly-vanilla games can't say I disagree with you. Probably also longer breaks between games to ensure people can play properly without breaking down from overwork. Small games too; no more than 12p. Edited February 23, 2014 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 The thing with giving Jan so that the mafia can get fakes is that people always have "what if they're claiming the janned role" in the back of their head and half the time you hit a role that you can't really fake like redirecting roles and hooking roles and killing roles and any investigative role other than Cop. And yes we had a bunch of hookers I know but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 bbm you just lacked next level plays a bunch of info etc should've been swapped out for stuff like neighbourizers/announcers/weak roles imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 What I don't get is why you didn't ever kill Kopfjager the night you were hooking him or ever hooked me. Well, people kept operating based on the N1 kill being blocked even though it wasn't, and if I was town and the suggestions of the people who were advocating lynching between you and me were followed, the town would have lynched me, you, and maybe even Wen, and still not hit scum. I dunno, I thought you brought this up on D2 and I like agreed with you? Like yes I did think I stopped the kill, but that's not really why I wanted to lynch you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 My setup design philosophy is to make the town roles and the scum fakes, and see whether it looks a good setup. Then give scum roles to counter the town PRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB. Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) imo a good thing to do is to send the setup with fakeclaims to the checker and see if they can guess the scumteam from it, THEN send them the full thing, and you get an idea of whether or not the fakeclaims are terrible or not also scum lacking fakeclaims in role madness generally doesn't end up well for them Edited February 23, 2014 by Shark Bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 all tired out from Villains 2 and I wasn't obvtown enough like I was in IWBTS to argue Tailor after investigative guilties What I don't get is why you didn't ever kill Kopfjager the night you were hooking him or ever hooked me. I dunno, I thought you brought this up on D2 and I like agreed with you? Like yes I did think I stopped the kill, but that's not really why I wanted to lynch you. I wasn't referring to you really. There were people who suggested lynching between us for that sole reason. I probably sound like sore-loser scum but I'm trying to speak as generally as possible... just happens that the case involves me. I was hoping that people would think Wen was mafia who'd claimed the N1 kill as a vigshot and then was just faking hooked every night afterwards if we hooked him enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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