Vhaltz Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I've never even seen ascetic used as a mafia role because it's too powerful though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 vhaltz do we have some stories for you (spoilers: it involves me being a mafia ascetic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I was one-shot ascetic (including kills) in Inception, but unlimited ascetic is generally too broken no matter what faction it's on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (we won but my ascetic was never even used) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedoom Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 ascetic town is dumb and isn't really broken, honestly. In fact its more likely to get said townie mislynched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j00 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 not if it's killproof and claimed at once, like miller, but I'd assume killproof isn't the norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 1. Passive (that means you don't have a command to input AND you can't turn it off)unless you're something like bulletproof or bomb this should be obvious but i've seen people make dumber mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBM Posted May 6, 2014 Author Share Posted May 6, 2014 I was one-shot ascetic (including kills) in Inception, but unlimited ascetic is generally too broken no matter what faction it's on . Not really; town Ascetic (by itself and not as a modifier) is pretty useless and does nothing. What's the point of being safeguarded all the time if you have no active abilities? And if you don't claim it you just screw over town roles (see: FFM N1). As mafia it's better because you can make Tracker/Cop/etc actions fail but even then if you don't claim it right away people are going to get suspicious if enough actions fail on you. You kind of still have to claim it. You're still immune to the previously mentioned roles but you're not really preventing them from targeting other people, so eh. It's strong but I wouldn't say it's OP. There was also a scum limited Ascetic in Fakeclaim, a semi-limited one in SF3, and another scum Ascetic in Mirai Nikki on MotK (@Vhaltz). The only town Ascetic I've seen is in Kirby and that's because roles weren't linked to alignment before the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhaltz Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 (edited) I remember BT being town ascetic in that recent MotK game where Bard won. Didn't read Mirai Nikki and for the most part I haven't read MotK games at all if I haven't commented on postgame. And yeah after reading all of this it feels like ascetic is mostly just a miller variant for town, I don't think I'd ever put it in a setup because giving people negative utility roles with no redeeming qualities is kind of crappy for the person getting the PM, although I guess it'd be okay if it were linked to some other role like Prims' miller in NOCers I had an uninformed observer chat with Kaoz and Mitsuki that got really lazy past D2 start, I mixed up Euklyd and Refa as SK/Mafia right before the 1v1 and never questioned my dumb early townreads on Shinori and Elie. Goes to show you that actually playing the game and reading it might have a crucial role in playing mafia, scientific research 10/10 Edited May 6, 2014 by Vhaltz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Miller Cop, best role IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Ascetic is negative utility for town, not on the level of miller but it's up there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I remember the amazing Touhou mafia N0, where four info roles (including me) ran into Manix's ascetic on N0. He also claimed it immediately on D1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refa Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Ascetic is negative utility for town, not on the level of miller but it's up there... Well, Miller actually strengthens town in a way (increases chance of cop scanning town, people are more likely to believe that the Miller is town) while Ascetic does fuck all (although in this game, it'd screw me over so fuck that noise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 imo the only ways to make miller a feasible role are giving the player incentive not to claim (not outright modkilling them tho that's dumb), and giving it to actiondan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grace Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 @refa: miller fakes tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkirsche Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It's been too long since I was drunk like that in mafia :( (good role pm btw, thanks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 You should hydra with Shadoweh from MotK and only post while smashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinori Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I FEEL LIKE PLAYING SOME DRUNK MAFIA AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperblade Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 D R U N K B O Y S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Someone make a Drunk Mafia. even if it means mostly everyone can't play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 somebody should make a Dunk Mafia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadoweh Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 You should hydra with Shadoweh from MotK and only post while smashed. I post sober sometimes! I'd Dunk Mafia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhaltz Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Somebody should edit a can of beer into Yuka's hand in that avatar, she already looks totally drunk due to the mandatory anime blush Has nobody actually done a Dunk mafia before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Is that like basketball-themed or moe-themed or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prims Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 It's Barkley Gaiden mafia, for true doom-murder heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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