Training Filler - Game Over

[CT075]

incidentally makaze is confirmed town

[Makaze]

Sigh.

Not going to get any more content.

##Vote: Pascal

[Elieson]

Pretty sure that's Hammer.

[Makaze]

It is.

[Vhaltz]

FFM was godfather bus driving roleblocker stalker watcher serial killer vanilla town.

gg to whoever wins, I look forward to seeing the newer players here signing up for other future games.

[Elieson]

FFM's too scummy to have lived this long. Should've axe'd him days ago.

Pascal - Town Vanilla - Lynched Day 5

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Sadly, Town Vanilla Makaze and Town Vanilla CT075 could no longer stop Mafia Goon Eurykins from slaughtering them both, and living as both the sole survivor and the winner of the game. Go get back on your bus now, Eurykins. You've got more townies to kill.

Mafia has won.

[Makaze]

Well played. Both you and Terrador played very convincing town.

Eury half-cheated by becoming inactive, but they managed to get Junko to pull a good one versus one that made them look town.

Good job, guys.

[Refa]

[5/28/2014 6:22:11 PM] Junko: so should i fake my report and say general visited bly

[5/28/2014 6:22:38 PM] Refa: fake a report on eurykins

[5/28/2014 6:22:49 PM] Junko: what will that accomplish though?

[5/28/2014 6:22:52 PM] Refa: if she gets lynched you'll be confirmed town

[5/28/2014 6:22:59 PM] Refa: and if you get lynched she'll be confirmeed town

[5/28/2014 6:23:14 PM] Refa: i usuaally wouldn't advise it but like

[5/28/2014 6:23:18 PM] Junko: Pretty gambit, if eurykins does get lynched

[5/28/2014 6:23:21 PM] Refa: people are voting you anyways and will get suspicious

[5/28/2014 6:23:32 PM] Junko: we just lost one of the best scumplayers

[5/28/2014 6:23:33 PM] Refa: if eury gets lynched people will think you're townie

[5/28/2014 6:23:35 PM] Junko: we got

[5/28/2014 6:23:39 PM] Refa: for lynching scum

[5/28/2014 6:23:44 PM] Refa: you did?

[5/28/2014 6:23:47 PM] Refa: did someone die?

[5/28/2014 6:23:52 PM] Junko: blyvern died

[5/28/2014 6:24:07 PM] Refa: yeah just do it still

[5/28/2014 6:24:10 PM] Refa: wait

[5/28/2014 6:24:17 PM] Refa: actually nevermind sb logged off

[5/28/2014 6:24:30 PM] Refa: just make it convincing and vote eurykins

[5/28/2014 6:24:44 PM] Junko: i will try my best

[5/28/2014 6:24:50 PM] Refa: cool

[5/28/2014 6:24:51 PM] Refa: i have faith!

##bigplays

[Elieson]

[5/28/2014 6:24:30 PM] Refa: just make it convincing and vote eurykins

Such strats.

[Elieson]

Side note as an IO/Cohosty person

General Ciraxis and Makaze played really fucking well. Terrador and Polydeuces stepped up their game, too. I'm overall impressed that Eurykins was able to pick up the slack of her alter ego. She played just a bit to her scum meta, but considering her IRL circumstances, I think it was well rounded and just active enough to work. Other comments will come later, but I felt these should be noted

[Makaze]

[5/28/2014 6:22:11 PM] Junko: so should i fake my report and say general visited bly

[5/28/2014 6:22:38 PM] Refa: fake a report on eurykins

[5/28/2014 6:22:49 PM] Junko: what will that accomplish though?

[5/28/2014 6:22:52 PM] Refa: if she gets lynched you'll be confirmed town

[5/28/2014 6:22:59 PM] Refa: and if you get lynched she'll be confirmeed town

[5/28/2014 6:23:14 PM] Refa: i usuaally wouldn't advise it but like

[5/28/2014 6:23:18 PM] Junko: Pretty gambit, if eurykins does get lynched

[5/28/2014 6:23:21 PM] Refa: people are voting you anyways and will get suspicious

[5/28/2014 6:23:32 PM] Junko: we just lost one of the best scumplayers

[5/28/2014 6:23:33 PM] Refa: if eury gets lynched people will think you're townie

[5/28/2014 6:23:35 PM] Junko: we got

[5/28/2014 6:23:39 PM] Refa: for lynching scum

[5/28/2014 6:23:44 PM] Refa: you did?

[5/28/2014 6:23:47 PM] Refa: did someone die?

[5/28/2014 6:23:52 PM] Junko: blyvern died

[5/28/2014 6:24:07 PM] Refa: yeah just do it still

[5/28/2014 6:24:10 PM] Refa: wait

[5/28/2014 6:24:17 PM] Refa: actually nevermind sb logged off

[5/28/2014 6:24:30 PM] Refa: just make it convincing and vote eurykins

[5/28/2014 6:24:44 PM] Junko: i will try my best

[5/28/2014 6:24:50 PM] Refa: cool

[5/28/2014 6:24:51 PM] Refa: i have faith!

##bigplays

I knew Junko couldn't think of that on their own (no offense).

Good move, Refa.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Makaze

[Darros]

Amazing game, guys. It was an entertaining one to watch for sure!

[CT075]

I FUCKING KNEW IT

fml, remind me to stick with my gut from now on

Edited June 3, 2014 by CT075

[Elieson]

eury is conf town

Orlynow

[Vhaltz]

Poor Cam, he stated several times in our PM that he thought Eury was mafia =_D

I was sold on Junko/Terrador/FFM scumteam at the beginning of D3 and didn't really read very much into the game after that, props for the strategy although I think mentor guidance should've been a little more subtle.

[CT075]

third vote on the awful zm wagon noncommittal wallpost but i couldn't support it

mafia sucks, by the way

EDIT

that, and it was the only explanation as to why junko would think he could pull a fast one on eury; he could just have easily said it was on my slot and it would have been a lot more convincing

remind me to actually look into conspiracy theories more -_-

EDIT2:

props, though, i definitely don't think i could have convinced makaze and FFM to agree with me

Edited June 3, 2014 by CT075

[Green Poet]

So Terrador probably told you guys to kill me N1 amirite

I think Makaze and Junko played exceptionally well, really hoping the former continues to play.

Also

[5/28/2014 6:22:11 PM] Junko: so should i fake my report and say general visited bly

[5/28/2014 6:22:38 PM] Refa: fake a report on eurykins

[5/28/2014 6:22:49 PM] Junko: what will that accomplish though?

[5/28/2014 6:22:52 PM] Refa: if she gets lynched you'll be confirmed town

[5/28/2014 6:22:59 PM] Refa: and if you get lynched she'll be confirmeed town

[5/28/2014 6:23:14 PM] Refa: i usuaally wouldn't advise it but like

[5/28/2014 6:23:18 PM] Junko: Pretty gambit, if eurykins does get lynched

[5/28/2014 6:23:21 PM] Refa: people are voting you anyways and will get suspicious

[5/28/2014 6:23:32 PM] Junko: we just lost one of the best scumplayers

[5/28/2014 6:23:33 PM] Refa: if eury gets lynched people will think you're townie

[5/28/2014 6:23:35 PM] Junko: we got

[5/28/2014 6:23:39 PM] Refa: for lynching scum

[5/28/2014 6:23:44 PM] Refa: you did?

[5/28/2014 6:23:47 PM] Refa: did someone die?

[5/28/2014 6:23:52 PM] Junko: blyvern died

[5/28/2014 6:24:07 PM] Refa: yeah just do it still

[5/28/2014 6:24:10 PM] Refa: wait

[5/28/2014 6:24:17 PM] Refa: actually nevermind sb logged off

[5/28/2014 6:24:30 PM] Refa: just make it convincing and vote eurykins

[5/28/2014 6:24:44 PM] Junko: i will try my best

[5/28/2014 6:24:50 PM] Refa: cool

[5/28/2014 6:24:51 PM] Refa: i have faith!

##bigplays

big plays indeed.

[charlie_]

it's not a big play until you claim fakeclaim an inno on the mafia godfather as SK

or have your entire scumteam quickhammer in mylo and hit a bpv

[BBM]

on skype during d3 to Manix:

[5/29/2014 7:09:08 AM] Rohan Kulkarni: imo scumteam is

[5/29/2014 7:09:16 AM] Rohan Kulkarni: junko/eury/terra

to Poly in our role PM after he died:

fairly sure the last scum is Eury at this point because:

a) The bus is the most plausible reason for choosing Eury for the 1v1 when there were scummier people against whom a 1v1 would have been easier to win. Skipping over those scummier people only makes sense if they're Junko's buddy. That could be FFM but Vashiane would also have been a comparatively easy 1v1 to win, and they can't both be his buddy.

b) Eury's reaction to the Watcher report didn't read genuine. Something about the wording feels off, like "wow I can't believe you chose me again". Obviously, who else would she choose as scum? Getting into two 1v1s would be kind of dumb.

c) I don't like Terrador's interactions with YX. He went from "wow this is shady" to "eh I can see this being lazytown" even though YX hadn't made any posts in the interim. The reasons he gave for unvoting applied at the time he made the vote in the first place. My hunch about this is that Terra saw YX's cruddy Ciraxis vote as an easy way to jump off the Ciraxis wagon that looked like it was going to get lynched, and then when people followed him onto YX, he jumped ship again because he didn't want his buddy to get lynched.

d) Eury is playing to her scum meta I think. Instead of spewing forth 5+ paragraphs every other post, she's posting a wall every now and then and then making small posts with not much content to them in the middle. Probably the weakest reason here because Eury hasn't rolled scum in a while and she's improved since Healer or whatever her last scumgame was.

[Elieson]

on skype during d3 to Manix:

[5/29/2014 7:09:08 AM] Rohan Kulkarni: imo scumteam is

[5/29/2014 7:09:16 AM] Rohan Kulkarni: junko/eury/terra

to Poly in our role PM after he died:

fairly sure the last scum is Eury at this point because:

a) The bus is the most plausible reason for choosing Eury for the 1v1 when there were scummier people against whom a 1v1 would have been easier to win. Skipping over those scummier people only makes sense if they're Junko's buddy. That could be FFM but Vashiane would also have been a comparatively easy 1v1 to win, and they can't both be his buddy.

b) Eury's reaction to the Watcher report didn't read genuine. Something about the wording feels off, like "wow I can't believe you chose me again". Obviously, who else would she choose as scum? Getting into two 1v1s would be kind of dumb.

c) I don't like Terrador's interactions with YX. He went from "wow this is shady" to "eh I can see this being lazytown" even though YX hadn't made any posts in the interim. The reasons he gave for unvoting applied at the time he made the vote in the first place. My hunch about this is that Terra saw YX's cruddy Ciraxis vote as an easy way to jump off the Ciraxis wagon that looked like it was going to get lynched, and then when people followed him onto YX, he jumped ship again because he didn't want his buddy to get lynched.

d) Eury is playing to her scum meta I think. Instead of spewing forth 5+ paragraphs every other post, she's posting a wall every now and then and then making small posts with not much content to them in the middle. Probably the weakest reason here because Eury hasn't rolled scum in a while and she's improved since Healer or whatever her last scumgame was.

If it helps, reason d) is sort of invalid due to Eury having multiple situations with illness and extreme family stress, among her big trip and all.

Reason b) seemed forced though, and it's something that I notice with players who don't often run gambits like that as mafia. As scum, you want to react kinda big to things, to help emphasize that you're reacting to things.

[charlie_]

yeah terra and junko both jumped on YX suddenly and i was like WHAT ARE YOU DOING

i also would've advised against the bus gambit because i didn't think it was a good idea but i was asleep and it worked anyway so shrug

[BBM]

Yeah, like I said, d) was the weakest reason and kind of something that reinforced my suspicion rather than what started it.

Also, props to Makaze and Terra. IMO they were the town/scum MVPs. GP gets an honorable mention but she died N1 so yeah.

However, @Makaze- You should have considered more options on the final day. It's rarely a good idea to vote hastily during LYLO.

@Terra- The scummiest thing you did was constantly wagonhop on D1 for what seemed like not much reason to me. Also the questions you asked at the beginning weren't inherently scummy but you never actually made any effort to use the answers you got from them at any point of the game, which makes them fake content, and that is scummy. I can't remember anything else overtly suspicious but really it was kind of obvious to me that you were scum when you weren't killed N1 despite the Doctor being dead and several people stating they found you town and someone even answering the question "who would you kill N1 as scum" with "Terrador". Still, you didn't deserve to get lynched the way you did (and personally I don't think you would have been lynched any other way either). Good job.

[Kaoz]

As scum, you want to react kinda big to things, to help emphasize that you're reacting to things.

This is only true if you're already reacting "kinda big" to things as town anyway.

[BBM]

Oh, and props to Ciraxis as well. I think you started off a little weak, but you played well after that.

[Terrador]

Yeah, like I said, d) was the weakest reason and kind of something that reinforced my suspicion rather than what started it.

Also, props to Makaze and Terra. IMO they were the town/scum MVPs. GP gets an honorable mention but she died N1 so yeah.

However, @Makaze- You should have considered more options on the final day. It's rarely a good idea to vote hastily during LYLO.

@Terra- The scummiest thing you did was constantly wagonhop on D1 for what seemed like not much reason to me. Also the questions you asked at the beginning weren't inherently scummy but you never actually made any effort to use the answers you got from them at any point of the game, which makes them fake content, and that is scummy. I can't remember anything else overtly suspicious but really it was kind of obvious to me that you were scum when you weren't killed N1 despite the Doctor being dead and several people stating they found you town and someone even answering the question "who would you kill N1 as scum" with "Terrador". Still, you didn't deserve to get lynched the way you did (and personally I don't think you would have been lynched any other way either). Good job.

I was actually proposing the randlynch as an intentional gambit, once Junko committed to the Eury bus. It was a 5/8 autowin, 2/8 "according to plan", and a 1/8 "we're totally boned". Me not being anon at the start of the game encouraged the idea that I actually wasn't paying attention to the game, too.

It failed, and Eury still pulled it off. Excellent anchor work, bud~

And for what it's worth, Ciraxis and Makaze very quickly turned out to be strong town. Ciraxis, in particular, I'm looking forward to seeing once I get back into Mafia. After my little tantrum in FFTA, it became patently obvious that I'm utterly incapable of certain stratagems, and not in the right emotional place for such a conflict-heavy game, but someday! Someday.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Terrador