nyainou Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Wow, you people act like I want to kill all men who wear dresses. How ridiculous. I'm not a monster. So what if I don't like the idea of men dressing like girls? It doesn't mean I have anything against them personally. I just don't like one of their habits, that's all. You don't see me wanting to kill my mom because I don't like her habit of being nitpicky. God damn. Also, what's this about defending Foleo? No one is attacking him. If you don't want to be called insensitive, maybe you shouldn't say insensitive things. ;p Its fine to have your own opinions and all, but relax some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Water Mage Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) No joke. Hes one im looking the most forward to. Im having a hard time picking a mum for him tbh. I want pretty hair Foleo.Speaking of Foleo's mother, Hinoka and Sakura would be pretty good mothers for Foleo in term of personality.Hinoka would be relate to Foleo as she has similar problems and she would be someone who can really understand him, and Sakura and Foleo have such personalites that I can imagine the two playing dress up. And Ana, it's a question of being more careful with your words. Edited February 9, 2016 by Water Mage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) If you don't want to be called insensitive, maybe you shouldn't say insensitive things. ;p Its fine to have your own opinions and all, but relax some. What insensitive thing did I ever say? I wasn't attacking anyone here personally. I said I don't like characters like Foleo and that's all I meant to say/imply. EDIT: My words were fine. I even thought them through and changed up a few before I made some posts. Edited February 9, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 How dare you. That isn't what I meant at all and you know it. Do I really know it, though? Because I don't know what to think of you anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Do I really know it, though? Because I don't know what to think of you anymore. Well, considering that you personally helped me out a lot with my wording problems and I greatly appreciated it, I don't know what to think of you anymore either. Edited February 9, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyainou Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 What insensitive thing did I ever say? I wasn't attacking anyone here personally. I said I don't like characters like Foleo and that's all I meant to say/imply. EDIT: My words were fine. I even thought them through and changed up a few before I made some posts. He doesn't like being mistaken for a woman? Well, he shouldn't dress like one then! He can't blame others for thinking he's a girl because they thought he was one based on his appearance. I like this character even less already. If someone makes a mistake about your gender or something, it's just that, a mistake! They don't mean any harm. What, should everyone go around making like a Pokemon professor before saying anything else to a person? You're right in the fact that most of the time, its just a mistake. But that doesn't make it any less harmful. What you said is insensitive and smells vaguely of victim blaming. Just a liiil bit. It may not have been what you meant, but its what you said. Also, an even better idea to avoid conflict is to just not assume someone's gender. Its not hard to use gender neutral pronouns towards someone until you know for sure which pronouns they actually use. I get that that's an abnormal thing outside of queer communities, so I may seem weird for suggesting it, but its not a bad idea. I appreciate you thinking your thoughts through and doing your best, but there are just some opinions out there that are going to hurt people no matter what. Yours is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Well, considering that you personally helped me out a lot with my wording problems and I greatly appreciated it, I don't know what to think of you anymore either. Can't say I really care what you think of me, but I know on my end that I'm close to giving up. There are times when I feel that you are making big improvements in how you interact with people, and there are times when I think you're still not getting the big picture as to why sometimes the things you say offend people and I think at this point I really can't do anything more to help than I already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaze Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Wow. This topic took a turn for the worst. Jeez. And Ana, I hate to say it, but while you may have not meant for your words to be taken a certain way, it is the internet. What may be intended to be a simple statement of opinion could easily be taken out of context or misconstrued. Also, changing Foleo into a female character would just ruin his character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) You're right in the fact that most of the time, its just a mistake. But that doesn't make it any less harmful. What you said is insensitive and smells vaguely of victim blaming. Just a liiil bit. It may not have been what you meant, but its what you said. Also, an even better idea to avoid conflict is to just not assume someone's gender. Its not hard to use gender neutral pronouns towards someone until you know for sure which pronouns they actually use. I get that that's an abnormal thing outside of queer communities, so I may seem weird for suggesting it, but its not a bad idea. I appreciate you thinking your thoughts through and doing your best, but there are just some opinions out there that are going to hurt people no matter what. Yours is one of them. Even if it is harmful, it's still mistakenly harmful, and I would not appreciate being called a rude person simply for making a mistake. That's all I meant to say. I realize that for a long time, I had problems wording my sentences properly and not ending up offending people with what I say by mistake. But I don't want to be called a horrible person for it. It's not easy being someone whose brain can't tell the right thing from the wrong thing half the time because I was fucking born that way (autism)... All I ever want is to be nice and civil, not hurt people. Can't say I really care what you think of me, but I know on my end that I'm close to giving up. There are times when I feel that you are making big improvements in how you interact with people, and there are times when I think you're still not getting the big picture as to why sometimes the things you say offend people and I think at this point I really can't do anything more to help than I already have. ^And comments like these were what drove me to depression back in high school. People calling me names and even saying I'm a lost cause because I'm apparently just rude and can't say the right thing even though I never purposely do that. Edited February 9, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengerfive Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 147 users reading... What is even going on in this thread lol. Can we get a mod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 No joke. Hes one im looking the most forward to. Im having a hard time picking a mum for him tbh. I want pretty hair Foleo. Man, imo he looks best with colors like pink and blonde. I made an exception because Nyx's hair looks adorable on him. It's very possible Foleo will make it through unscathed. I remember the US version of Naruto kept Haku as a male despite dressing and looking like a woman. And Naruto had a much younger target audience than Fates. T game, but Amane Nishiki from BlazBlue dressed rather feminine (kimonos and the like) and went untouched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) OurBoyRoy: Personally, I've come to call that the *insert my username* effect. Because it just loves to happen when I'm involved in things like this on websites. Edited February 9, 2016 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreejules Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Can we all just, take a moment to: https://twitter.com/Babylonian/status/696907829295210496 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaze Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 147 users reading... What is even going on in this thread lol. Can we get a mod? eclipse is a mod and according to the bottom of this topic, she's keeping an eye on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Man, imo he looks best with colors like pink and blonde. I made an exception because Nyx's hair looks adorable on him. man foleo looks so great with pink hair but i'm also leaning towards blonde just because i've seen him with it before so much that i'm like, attached to it also it looks good i feel like my decision of who to pair leo with will mostly be decided based on what color foleo's hair will be Can we all just, take a moment to: https://twitter.com/Babylonian/status/696907829295210496 yes. Edited February 9, 2016 by maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avengerfive Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Ignore this. Edited February 9, 2016 by OurBoyRoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 147 users reading... What is even going on in this thread lol. Can we get a mod? For what, exactly? OurBoyRoy: Personally, I've come to call that the *insert my username* effect. Because it just loves to happen when I'm involved in things like this on websites. If you want to make the situation better, I have two things which you can do: 1. Apologize. 2. Understand the reasons why people are upset, even if you don't agree with those reasons. Then, take that into consideration before making a statement regarding someone's fashion sense. Otherwise, things will not improve. Regardless, I do not look kindly on treating yourself as the victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December Knight Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 No joke. Hes one im looking the most forward to. Im having a hard time picking a mum for him tbh. I want pretty hair Foleo. I think Felicia gives a cute color for him (also Felicia and Leon have a cute support so that helps), it also matches with his outfit. Here is a link for all the colors he can have (not counting female!Kamui) : http://tjsbin.tumblr.com/post/129688014398/foleos-possible-hair-colors-for-skinship-next-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 ^And comments like these were what drove me to depression back in high school. People calling me names and even saying I'm a lost cause because I'm apparently just rude and can't say the right thing even though I never purposely do that. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. Try to understand that I'm not saying this to try to make you depressed or to be rude. I am a blunt person (much like your favorite character, Ike), and I believe that some things just need to be said. Right now, you don't have to understand why things may upset people. Just step back and realize that just as you may have been hurt by what people have said to you, people can be equally hurt or stressed out by the things you say to them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyainou Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I think Felicia gives a cute color for him (also Felicia and Leon have a cute support so that helps), it also matches with his outfit. Here is a link for all the colors he can have (not counting female!Kamui) : http://tjsbin.tumblr.com/post/129688014398/foleos-possible-hair-colors-for-skinship-next-up I second Felicia's and I also personally like Sakura's. Honestly, you can't go wrong with Foleo unless you give him blue hair, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomalocaris Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I really like that not only is Foleo a guy, but also apparently straight as a ramrod and perfectly secure about it. It's nice to see gender and sexuality stereotypes be subverted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 For what, exactly? If you want to make the situation better, I have two things which you can do: 1. Apologize. 2. Understand the reasons why people are upset, even if you don't agree with those reasons. Then, take that into consideration before making a statement regarding someone's fashion sense. Otherwise, things will not improve. Regardless, I do not look kindly on treating yourself as the victim. Except I did apologize earlier and that did nothing? I don't know what else to do then. And why don't I have a right to feel "victimized" if everyone is picking on me for a single opinion that I stated? Because that's how I felt I was being treated. If no one intended that, then I guess I'm sorry again. If this apology will even get noticed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Book Bro Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 For the record, would just like to hop on the Foleo loving bandwagon. I think it's awesome there's a character like him in a Nintendo game. I hope he actually has depth to him, as I haven't read anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Except I did apologize earlier and that did nothing? I don't know what else to do then. And why don't I have a right to feel "victimized" if everyone is picking on me for a single opinion that I stated? Because that's how I felt I was being treated. If no one intended that, then I guess I'm sorry again. If this apology will even get noticed... That's step 1 out of the way. Do you understand why people are upset with you? It's not because you're Ana (and rest assured if it was for something so shallow, I would've said something about it). Even if you don't agree with their logic, at least try to understand where they're coming from. EDIT: For the record, would just like to hop on the Foleo loving bandwagon. I think it's awesome there's a character like him in a Nintendo game. I hope he actually has depth to him, as I haven't read anything. You will not be disappointed. Edited February 9, 2016 by eclipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebony Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 man foleo looks so great with pink hair but i'm also leaning towards blonde just because i've seen him with it before so much that i'm like, attached to it also it looks good i feel like my decision of who to pair leo with will mostly be decided based on what color foleo's hair will be Leo is only one of two people I will willingly let marry Sakura so idk what that tells you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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