wizzard of soz Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 good lord, the incredible double post combo. the forum gods must be angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke087 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Anacybele said: I've actually used her too, you know. She was required for the seal quests, remember? Virion is no Takumi, dude. xP Besides, I still never use her on any teams, so there's not even a point to this argument. There's a major difference here I have used her in a successful deathless runs in the Arena and she's very useful. Triangle Adept makes a massive difference for her Anna. I used to think she sucked too, but then I put Triangle Adept on her and it was glorious. QR fixes her speed and Calvary Buffs makes it so she has a far higher potential then M Robin, so she is definitely the best natural raven tome user in my opinion. Edited May 3, 2017 by Locke087 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said: You have received 3 copies of Cecilia. ...Uh, no? I only have one Cecilia, the one from the seal quests. And besides, I was talking about my lv. 40 5 and 4 star units. 2 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said: @Anacybele A +HP/-Res Nino like the one you have could have easily ORKOd both that Takumi and Reinhardt just sayin' A -Res Nino would've helped against a MAGE. Right... Also, she's a lowly 3 star as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedAmpharos Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Anacybele said: A -Res Nino would've helped against a MAGE. Right... Also, she's a lowly 3 star as well. Yes. Yes, she would have. A -Res Nino still has more res than anything else on your team and has more than enough to take on Reinhardt. EDIT: Ana, a 3* -res Nino with no buffs or inherited skills can still tank and ORKO a 5* + Atk Reinhardt. If you want, I can prove it to you with calcs. Edited May 3, 2017 by MaskedAmpharos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, MaskedAmpharos said: EDIT: Ana, a 3* -res Nino can still tank and ORKO a 5* Reinhardt. If you want, I can prove it to you with calcs. wow, really? i'm curious to see them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Anacybele said: ...Uh, no? I only have one Cecilia, the one from the seal quests. And besides, I was talking about my lv. 40 5 and 4 star units. A -Res Nino would've helped against a MAGE. Right... Also, she's a lowly 3 star as well. Right, because you sent home the ones from the Daily Hero Battles. Forgot. Nino OHKO's both Reinhardt and Takumi, where exactly is she getting hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, MaskedAmpharos said: She also has a Nino. Both of them would have been able to take Takumi and Reinhardt with ease. The problem isn't that she doesn't have the units, it's that she isn't using what she has. I'm trying to rub in the fact that Cecilia is free and does the job. 1 minute ago, Anacybele said: ...Uh, no? I only have one Cecilia, the one from the seal quests. And besides, I was talking about my lv. 40 5 and 4 star units. Cecilia is in the daily Hero Battle rotation. Whether or not you still have them is not relevant; you've had access to 3 copies of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said: The problem isn't that she doesn't have the units, it's that she isn't using what she has. Except I have a lot of lv. 40 units, both 5 and 4 star. 3 star units aren't worth the trouble unless they're a favorite character I don't have or can become really really good, which I've not gotten anymore of either as far as I know. I'm aware plenty of units can be good with skill inheritance, but do I look like I have infinite resources here? I have no fodder to dump on these units anyway. 2 minutes ago, MaskedAmpharos said: Yes. Yes, she would have. A -Res Nino still has more res than anything else on your team and has more than enough to take on Reinhardt. Not as a lowly 3 star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedAmpharos Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Anacybele said: Not as a lowly 3 star. Yes. Yes, she can. A 3* -Res Nino with zero buffs and zero skill inheritance can tank and then ORKO a 5* +Atk Reinhardt. Give me a sec to type out the calcs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Anacybele said: No one has high res. I've never pulled any 5 stars that have high res either. Eirika. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Right, because you sent home the ones from the Daily Hero Battles. Forgot. Uh, what? I never even got those, let alone sent them home. The only unit I've gotten from the free rotation is Donnel and that was because I liked him as a character. 2 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Cecilia is in the daily Hero Battle rotation. Whether or not you still have them is not relevant; you've had access to 3 copies of her. Like I said, I still never got them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Anacybele said: Like I said, I still never got them. Which doesn't change the fact that you have had access to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaid Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Anacybele said: Uh, what? I never even got those, let alone sent them home. The only unit I've gotten from the free rotation is Donnel and that was because I liked him as a character. Like I said, I still never got them. You still have access to them, you just never bothered to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) nvm i found the site Spoiler here you go. i just put a random boon/bane for Reinhardt @MaskedAmpharos @Anacybele edit: oops lol Edited May 3, 2017 by GuiltyLove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sunwoo said: Eirika. Nope. 28 res isn't that great either. Besides, since mine is +def, her def would actually be better in the end. Stat calculator says it'd be 30. 2 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: Which doesn't change the fact that you have had access to them. Doesn't change the fact that I never got them either. Besides, why would I when I have a 3 star one already? The free ones are 1 and 2 star. Edited May 3, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Anacybele said: Uh, what? I never even got those, let alone sent them home. The only unit I've gotten from the free rotation is Donnel and that was because I liked him as a character. Mine and @Ice Dragon's point still stands. It's not at all surprising you're having trouble against certain units if you're limiting yourself to spending resources only on the ones you like. It's your game, you can do what you want, but don't blame it when your team gets rolled in arena again, and again, and again, because you couldn't move beyond that mindset of "x unit is bad bc I don't like them" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedAmpharos Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) @Anacybele @GuiltyLove A 3* +HP/-Res Nino with no buffs and vanilla skills has 33 HP, 38 Atk, 32 Spd, and 22 Res (she'll have Res +2 as her A with vanilla skills). A 5* +Atk Reinhardt will have 38 HP, 44 Atk, 18 Spd, and 25 Res. Reinhardt attacks: He deals 14 x 2 damage. Nino is left with 5 HP 44 x 0.8 WTD = 36 36 - 22 (Nino's res) = 14 14 x 2 (bc Dire Thunder) = 28 33 (Nino's HP) - 28 = 5 Nino counterattacks: She deals 20 x 2 damage. Reinhardt is dead. 38 x 1.2 WTA = 45 45 - 25 (Rein's res) = 20 She's waaaay fast enough to double (32 spd compared to 18) 20 x 2 = 40 Reinhardt has 38 HP Reinhardt dies EDIT: @GuiltyLove I used the site to double check, but I always do my calculations by hand unless they're mass calculations against the whole cast. It's good to know how since the site won't help you for GHBs and such. Edited May 3, 2017 by MaskedAmpharos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Anacybele said: Doesn't change the fact that I never got them either. Besides, why would I when I have a 3 star one already? The free ones are 1 and 2 star. Free feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyLove Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, MaskedAmpharos said: @Anacybele @GuiltyLove A 3* +HP/-Res Nino with no buffs and vanilla skills has 33 HP, 38 Atk, 32 Spd, and 22 Res (she'll have Res +2 as her A with vanilla skills). A 5* +Atk Reinhardt will have 38 HP, 44 Atk, 18 Spd, and 25 Res. Reinhardt attacks: He deals 14 x 2 damage. Nino is left with 5 HP 44 x 0.8 WTD = 36 36 - 22 (Nino's res) = 14 14 x 2 (bc Dire Thunder) = 28 33 (Nino's HP) - 28 = 5 Nino counterattacks: She deals 20 x 2 damage. Reinhardt is dead. 38 x 1.2 WTA = 45 45 - 25 (Rein's res) = 20 She's waaaay fast enough to double (32 spd compared to 18) 20 x 2 = 40 Reinhardt has 38 HP Reinhardt dies I ended up finding the site for that in the end :P That's really interesting though I need a Nino now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MrSmokestack said: Mine and @Ice Dragon's point still stands. It's not at all surprising you're having trouble against certain units if you're limiting yourself to spending resources only on the ones you like. It's your game, you can do what you want, but don't blame it when your team gets rolled in arena again, and again, and again, because you couldn't move beyond that mindset of "x unit is bad bc I don't like them" My point still stands too. And wtf? I never said Cecilia was bad because I don't like her. I never even played her game and I already said I find her stat spread awful. Also, here's a list of characters I use that aren't my favorite: Marth Alm Bunny Xander Klein Sakura Olivia Male Robin Female Robin And more. Edited May 3, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Anacybele said: Nope. 28 res isn't that great either. Besides, since mine is +def, her def would actually be better in the end. Eirika's neutral 28 resistance places her at approximately 49/126 units. She is almost in the top 1/3 of all units in terms of res. That's certainly not bad, and better than your core team anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaid Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Just now, Anacybele said: My point still stands too. And wtf? I never said Cecilia was bad because I don't like her. I never even played her game and I already said I find her stat spread awful. You did say she was a useless unit though, a couple pages back now, and so people have been trying to correct your statement, because that's really not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sunwoo said: Eirika's neutral 28 resistance places her at approximately 49/126 units. She is almost in the top 1/3 of all units in terms of res. That's certainly not bad, and better than your core team anyway. Not much better. And this Eirika is also -Atk. Her attack will be VERY low whether I level her up or not. I also already primarily use two other sword wielders in Ike and Marth. No room for her. Edited May 3, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Anacybele said: Uh, what? I never even got those, let alone sent them home. The only unit I've gotten from the free rotation is Donnel and that was because I liked him as a character. Like I said, I still never got them. They come up every couple of weeks. If you're not going for the free characters when they're available, that's your own choice to decline to get the characters, not the game not giving you access to them. Upgrading 2* and even 1* units to 3* is trivial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Othin said: They come up every couple of weeks. If you're not going for the free characters when they're available, that's your own choice to decline to get the characters, not the game not giving you access to them. Upgrading 2* and even 1* units to 3* is trivial. I still already have a 3 star Cecilia anyway. And exactly, it's my choice. Edited May 3, 2017 by Anacybele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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