ScarletSylph Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Guys, are these IVs worth to SI with or should I just wait for better IV and use them as skill fodder? Effie -hp/+def Cecilia -hp/+spd or neutral Lukas -res/+hp or -spd/+def Cherche -hp/+res or -hp/+def Seliph -hp/+def Lilina -spd/+hp Fae -atk/+def Roy -def/+res I won't really be investing on these heroes now as I'm concentrating on horse emblem but it would be nice to know if the IVs are decent to use for different team set ups I could use for quests/GHB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatone Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zero1000 said: I have the 3* Xander from the GHB, and I'm going to get him to 5* while giving him other skills. Problem is, all of the skill fodder is 3*, so I'll need feathers to promote all of them. Since they're four units, and I'll still need feathers to promote Xander, I'll need 30k feathers to have him completely built. I currently have 17k feathers, so who should I promote first? The units for skill fodder or Xander? Upgrade Xander first, his weapon is why hes good and this boosts his stats. Next You can easily get away with Just Quick Riposte 1 and Swap from 3* Subaki. Low priority is A skill: Fury 2 from 3* Hinata or even just Atk+3 (next best after fury 3 under a hone vs non blue). I was using him successfully with no A at all till yesterday, i finally shrugged and put on Fury 3 after long hesitation because he can often just take 0 dmg vs a lot of melees. Fury trades a bit of dis synergy with QR for pure power. I calculated he can still proc QR 3 after 6 fury dmg and he shouldn't need to fight more than twice, but qr1 with atk3 is nice budget option. The most important skills are the Cavalry buffs, when he gets and gives either of them the power jumps massively and he just demolishes all but blue and some red mages. He is really worth it even without optimal build, because its just all about these buffs. QR Hone Xander, TA QR Fortify Cecilia and Blaublade Hone Ursula is simply the best team you can make as free to player and can still dominate with sub optimal builds. Edited May 10, 2017 by Chromatone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatone Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, ScarletSylph said: Guys, are these IVs worth to SI with or should I just wait for better IV and use them as skill fodder? Effie -hp/+def Cecilia -hp/+spd or neutral Lukas -res/+hp or -spd/+def Cherche -hp/+res or -hp/+def Seliph -hp/+def Lilina -spd/+hp Fae -atk/+def Roy -def/+res I won't really be investing on these heroes now as I'm concentrating on horse emblem but it would be nice to know if the IVs are decent to use for different team set ups I could use for quests/ The best is +spd -hp Cecilia, basically perfect iv! I really really love her with TA because its sooo easy to get her in position to bait the long range of Reinhardt or a brave bow/lance or even atk buffed non speed fury 3 Nino (with a hone cav), thus neutering the scariest part of difficult offensive arena teams. Sure she is a nice Blade user too, (mine has both sets learned), but the blue horse mages have a strong Player phase already. She can probably still use Triangle Adept (your Roy) well with Blade for a hybrid build, she still kills every non red with both buffs and basic blade tome! Think ill try that this week, it also allows her to survive and one shot ANY Nino. Either way she has proven one of the most useful units even more than Hector esp paired with Xander. +Def -Spd Lukas is also basically Perfect. I don't see a ton of use for him, but he is an insane melee reposition wall even surviving all but the most glass cannon and buffed Axes. Edited May 10, 2017 by Chromatone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanite Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 hours ago, ScarletSylph said: Guys, are these IVs worth to SI with or should I just wait for better IV and use them as skill fodder? Effie -hp/+def Cecilia -hp/+spd or neutral Lukas -res/+hp or -spd/+def Cherche -hp/+res or -hp/+def Seliph -hp/+def Lilina -spd/+hp Fae -atk/+def Roy -def/+res I won't really be investing on these heroes now as I'm concentrating on horse emblem but it would be nice to know if the IVs are decent to use for different team set ups I could use for quests/GHB Your Effie is not the best (nature) but you can definitely spend your time on her (highest base attack in the game = OP) +Spd Cecilia is worth especially for Gronnblade Horse emblem build! You'll want +Def Cheche, but she needs some skill inheritance to get really good. Brave Ax+ Cherche is awesome, but if you are going to do the Brave ax + cherche combo, I'd wait for a better one (+Atk) assuming you're even willing to pour the time into her in the first place. But if you don't want to, she can be good to kill any future armors in grand hero battles. She is also great pivot fodder Seliph is okay, but he's not the greatest sword to use in the game..... Rally speed fodder though -Spd Lilina isn't the 100% greatest, but her speed is pretty low anyway -Atk Fae I'd use for fodder I'd also wait for a better Roy and use this one for fodder too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk King Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 hours ago, ScarletSylph said: Lukas -res/+hp or -spd/+def -spd +def is probably the best possible for him. With quick riposte 3 and Ignis, he will be able to 1RKO every single sword, all but the most bulky of lances, and quite a large portion of axes. Fortress def 3, Quick riposte 3, whatever C you want, Ignis, and Swap are what you will want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 What is the maximum number of barracks slots, after paying all the possible orbs for expansion? (tagging @Ice Dragon because it makes sense) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 44 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: What is the maximum number of barracks slots, after paying all the possible orbs for expansion? (tagging @Ice Dragon because it makes sense) 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: 500. 60 orbs then, right (300 / 5)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: 60 orbs then, right (300 / 5)? Sounds about right, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taim Meich Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Best mages for the Raven/TA set? I have a long time goal to have one of each color, as the set is really nice and accommodates into lots of teams and situations. Green, I already have Soren, who may not be the ideal candidate, but does his job surprisingly well. The measly 17 defense is enough to only take 14 damage from a Takumi, and since he's +HP, the dent is not that harsh. He has enough speed to not be doubled by many and double some, that's a plus too. In any case, who would the theoretical best for the set, if somehow I ended having a big surplus of resources to duplicate a role? Red, I'm considering Lilina, but Leo and specially Sophia look promising, too. Blue... I guess Robin does an adequate job, and comes with the tome already, but his attack and speed aren't up to par. Ideally one of the two should be high enough. Ursula looks like a good candidate, trading resilence for reach and speed... Anyway, Blue is the color I have the most doubts. This is all very long term since I lack a lot of the resources, characters, and even time to do them now, but I'd like to read the opinions on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmokestack Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 @Taim Meich, there are quite a few viable Raven Adept users for each colors, though I'm putting my votes in for Soren, Robin (F), Robin (M), and Lilina. Each Robin has the exact same stat spread at neutral, so it follows that Robin (F) can run it just as well. However, she can only roll neutral, unlike Robin (M), so I leave Soren as the alternative. Merric is good as a budget option, possessing above average Def and HP in exchange for lower Atk and Spd. I prefer high Atk on my Raven users to net more OHKO's with the color advantage, though. However, both him and Leo have their Prf tomes, and the latter likes -Blade more because of Horse Emblem abuse. Sophia runs the set well too, since she trades all those points in Spd as well as just two points of Atk and Res for much higher HP and Def. Odin and Henry are anomalies. Both have horrible base Atk in exchange for Odin's above-average Spd and defenses, while Henry gets extra points in HP and Def. They can run it, but the options with higher Atk fare much better at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 How many friends do you need to maximize Gauntlet scoring? Not the full 50, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, Fruity Insanity said: How many friends do you need to maximize Gauntlet scoring? Not the full 50, right? Ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just now, Vaximillian said: Ten. Thanks. So I need to find 6 friends by Friday. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedAmpharos Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Fruity Insanity said: Thanks. So I need to find 6 friends by Friday. Damn. If you support Team Julia I'd be happy to add you Spoiler Jk I'd be happy to add you either way :P FC is 161-430-7301 (name is Amphy) Just send me a PM if you do add me so that I know it's you and not some random from Arena! Spoiler If you're only looking to add friends that are on your team, and you aren't Team Julia... You'd have better luck asking in the Mage Gauntlet thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taim Meich said: Best mages for the Raven/TA set? I have a long time goal to have one of each color, as the set is really nice and accommodates into lots of teams and situations. Green, I already have Soren, who may not be the ideal candidate, but does his job surprisingly well. The measly 17 defense is enough to only take 14 damage from a Takumi, and since he's +HP, the dent is not that harsh. He has enough speed to not be doubled by many and double some, that's a plus too. In any case, who would the theoretical best for the set, if somehow I ended having a big surplus of resources to duplicate a role? Red, I'm considering Lilina, but Leo and specially Sophia look promising, too. Blue... I guess Robin does an adequate job, and comes with the tome already, but his attack and speed aren't up to par. Ideally one of the two should be high enough. Ursula looks like a good candidate, trading resilence for reach and speed... Anyway, Blue is the color I have the most doubts. This is all very long term since I lack a lot of the resources, characters, and even time to do them now, but I'd like to read the opinions on the matter. Red: Sophia has the best physical bulk hands down for this build. With neutral Atk (61 effective), she one-hit kills neutral Takumi (58) and Jeorge (59) and leaves Klein (64) with 3 HP remaining. With +Atk (65), Sophia one-hit kills neutral versions of all three. In the +10 metagame, with +Atk (71), Sophia one-hit kills neutral versions of Takumi (66) and Jeorge (67), but leaves Klein (72) with 1 HP remaining. With Hone Atk, Sophia can one-hit kill all three of them regardless of their natures. Sophia's slightly lower Res means she takes more damage from Spring Camilla, and her low Spd means she desperately wants G Tomebreaker to avoid taking large amounts of damage from boosted Gronnblade+ users. Lilina has the Atk to one-hit kill all three common archers and higher Res than Sophia at the cost of lower Def, taking 10 damage per hit from +Atk Klein. Leo has lower Atk than either Sophia or Lilina, but he can patch it up to the same levels with Hone Cavalry or use his default Quick Riposte. Blue: Robin has the best spread with high Def and passable Res, but he'll want Quick Riposte to land a follow-up attack for the kill. Odin has more balanced defenses, but severely lacks in Atk. Among the cavalry, Reinhardt interestingly enough has the best stat distribution for this build, but he typically is better off with Dire Thunder. Green: Robin having the exact same stat spread as her male counterpart means she's just as up for this task. Cecilia is your only cavalry choice for this role and performs decently well with her passable Def. Spring Camilla, however, has a similar defensive spread as Robin, but trades Spd for more Atk (64), meaning she can one-hit kill all three common archers without needing +Atk or Quick Riposte. Edited May 10, 2017 by Ice Dragon Forgot Leo had Quick Riposte by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruity Insanity Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, MaskedAmpharos said: If you support Team Julia I'd be happy to add you Hide contents Jk I'd be happy to add you either way :P FC is 161-430-7301 (name is Amphy) Just send me a PM if you do add me so that I know it's you and not some random from Arena! Hide contents If you're only looking to add friends that are on your team, and you aren't Team Julia... You'd have better luck asking in the Mage Gauntlet thread. I would agree, but Julia is the only mage on the female mage banner I'm missing... and pulling on a banner for a single unit seems like a bit much. Even if she is Julia. But yeah. Sent you a request. My name is in Japanese, but you'll see the 5(star) at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatone Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taim Meich said: Best mages for the Raven/TA set? I have a long time goal to have one of each color, as the set is really nice and accommodates into lots of teams and situations. Green, I already have Soren, who may not be the ideal candidate, but does his job surprisingly well. The measly 17 defense is enough to only take 14 damage from a Takumi, and since he's +HP, the dent is not that harsh. He has enough speed to not be doubled by many and double some, that's a plus too. In any case, who would the theoretical best for the set, if somehow I ended having a big surplus of resources to duplicate a role? Red, I'm considering Lilina, but Leo and specially Sophia look promising, too. Blue... I guess Robin does an adequate job, and comes with the tome already, but his attack and speed aren't up to par. Ideally one of the two should be high enough. Ursula looks like a good candidate, trading resilence for reach and speed... Anyway, Blue is the color I have the most doubts. This is all very long term since I lack a lot of the resources, characters, and even time to do them now, but I'd like to read the opinions on the matter. I gave good reasons for Cecilia just before, its ez to position her to make Reinhardt run across the map and kill himself on the first turn. He can even kill non triangle adept green mages with +atk hone and nature, so its good to have a hard counter. Soren is obv cool too and dealing with the mages is his more important job. There are also a ton of good Brave lance and bow users this makes Green the best Tri Adept followed by Red to handle Gronnblade and Brave axe. Im working on my +atk -spd Lilina with TA and Sword breaker, nice coverage unit. Blue is the worst for now as there are few ranged reds and most rosters are overabundant with sword users. Edited May 10, 2017 by Chromatone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roflolxp54 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 10 hours ago, phineas81707 said: I'll give 2K of those to Odin and save the rest for the 20K I need to make Odin 5*. ...I never thought I'd say that about him. Ah well, his quote "SO EXCITED" is at least apt. Hey, I need 70K feathers for Blade Emblem, but I'm slowly plodding along up to. (Also, was that meant to go to General?) Yeah, it was meant to go into the general discussion thread; my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaid Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Wait, what's this about needing 10 friends to maximize gauntlet scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaximillian Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Alkaid said: Wait, what's this about needing 10 friends to maximize gauntlet scoring? I don't remember the exact calculations or the newspost, but you get 100 points per flag with 10+ friends, less with fewer, +10% for running the character you sided with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetoBakura Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) i have a 5* Camilla i want to build up (whats a good build for her??) and i have a bunch of 1*, 2*, 3* heroes that are doing nothing. Can i sacrifice these units to her so that she has a whole arsenal of skills to choose from? Can i have a character with 50 skills to choose from, or is there a max on how many skills a character can have in their "bank"? Edited May 10, 2017 by SetoBakura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskedAmpharos Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, SetoBakura said: i have a 5* Camilla i want to build up (whats a good build for her??) and i have a bunch of 1*, 2*, 3* heroes that are doing nothing. Can i sacrifice these units to her so that she has a whole arsenal of skills to choose from? Can i have a character with 50 skills to choose from, or is there a max on how many skills a character can have in their "bank"? If you aren't particularly attached to Camilla as a character, I would caution against using her since Cherche with an inherited Brave Axe+ from Camilla does Camilla's job as a Brave attacker better in every conceivable way. If you happen to like Camilla as a character and want to use her either way, I would suggest giving her Life and Death and Desperation for a pseudo-quad build. If you have the resources, she would be even better as an anti-mage with a Silver Axe and Distant Counter (with either a tomebreaker or Quick Riposte as her B-slot). Hell I would argue that, even if you don't have Distant Counter, it may be worth it to give her a Silver/Emerald Axe and a Tomebreaker to make her an anti-mage regardless since the only real thing she has going for her is her high resistance. As far as I know, there's no limit to the amount of skills a character can learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaid Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, Vaximillian said: I don't remember the exact calculations or the newspost, but you get 100 points per flag with 10+ friends, less with fewer, +10% for running the character you sided with. Wow really? I had no idea friends factored into anything besides lending you their lead unit if on the same team. I guess I've always had mostly full list of friends since people used to add randomly all the time in the beginning, so I never knew it could be under 100 per flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DehNutCase Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, SetoBakura said: i have a 5* Camilla i want to build up (whats a good build for her??) and i have a bunch of 1*, 2*, 3* heroes that are doing nothing. Can i sacrifice these units to her so that she has a whole arsenal of skills to choose from? Can i have a character with 50 skills to choose from, or is there a max on how many skills a character can have in their "bank"? You can have as many skills as you want, but you do need the SP to learn them before using them, so I'd only inherit when you have the SP to learn the whole set of skills (bearing in mind the increased 50% cost for inherited skills). Anyway, Camilla is very similar to Selena, Odin, Subaki etc. in the sense that her offenses aren't exactly stellar, but she has a decent speed tier in addition to very good defenses. (28/31 defenses is very good, considering she has 32 speed). You can, like @MaskedAmpharos said, run L&D in the A-slot to patch-up her middling offenses in exchange for turning her defenses merely 'average.' In this regard, she's more like a Minerva-lite or Cordelia-lite than a Cherche-lite, since, unlike Cherche, both Minerva and Camilla have the speed tier to actually double things. (Cherche would much rather DB3, since speed on her is basically meaningless---you can use Brash Assault to double if you really wanted to quad someone, Cherche has the Def to tank 1 hit, even below half.) If you need a flying brave-unit, this is a pretty decent build, even if out-classed by the specialists in the area. (A flier with Drag Back, a Brave Weapon, and enough offenses to 1RKO is very similar to a ranged unit, since they move 1 square back after combat---you do have 1 less range, though, and moving 1 square back can mess up positioning.) Of course, Camilla's very good defensive spread means that she can rock a TA-3 build (either with an Emerald Axe to save the A-slot, or keep her brave to maximize her blue destroying properties) very nicely. She takes single digit damage even from the very strongest blues, and, being decently speed and bulky, means that she should be able to tank greens for one round without any problems. (This is easier with an Emerald Axe, since that doesn't cost her 5 spd, but Emerald isn't nearly as good as Brave Axe vs. her advantage color.) With the new defensive terrain, she can more or less just squat on a defense square take 0 damage while slowly chipping people down. She wants guard, for the same reason Titania has guard---TA3, good speed tier, and decent bulk means the only way her advantage color could beat her is with specials, and Guard prevents those from charging. Alternatively she can just pack enough damage to 1RKO---Brave Axe+ and either a +Atk nature or a Hone Atk/Fliers does this quite well. To be honest, Camilla is like Selena in that her spread is very flexible, and, while she won't out-do the specialists in their own niches, she can rock every specialty decently well. That is, she's decent as a Brave Axe+ attacker, decent as a QR Bonfire counter-killer, decent as a TA3 anti-blue sweeper, etc. Units like her should probably be built last, to fill whatever hole your team needs filled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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