Xenomata Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) I guess all flying beasts are pirates đ Some notable details: Surtr's Portent is an upgraded Surtr's Menace, having a slightly higher stat buff/debuff and acting more as a Menace skill (ironically, given the names) Naesala has Stall Ploy, a new Ploy skill that turns Movement +1 bonuses into a limited movement debuff ala Gravity on foes in cardinal directions from the unit. There are now Def/Res variants of Ideal and Rein skills. Edited August 3, 2021 by Xenomata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybrosion Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 For easy access, here are the stat lines (except Surtr's who might have a trainee bonus since his base version had one since it was never shown): Naesala: 42/39/43/23/25/172 Vika: 41/34/40/17/40/172 Hinoka: 40/40/40/23/23/166 Lifis: 47/36/40/30/23/176 As far as my plans go, I'm going all-in for Naesala and the big sisters. I need them for my Tellius collection and Camilla collection respectively. I'll also be sure to pick up a Vika as I've never missed a 4* focus seasonal but do wish that I missed baby Lyon and certainly don't want to start doing so now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercakete Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Xenomata said: I guess all flying beasts are pirates đ Well, the Hawks and the Ravens were referred to as pirates (especially the Ravens, as I recall) in their home game, so kind of. But the Herons aren't, and even then, those are just bird tribes, not all flying beasts. Anyway, Surtr looks great! I want him. Looks super tanky. And that Def/Res Ideal looks great, especially since it isn't limited to just at the start of the turn! Does it apply those bonuses twoice -- once as a field buff and once as an in-combat buff? Ooo Naesala really wants to own the field, restricting all those movement-boosting skills while giving himself canto with that trace skill. Hmm Vika's weapon feels like a sort of "our team vs their team" thing. That is, group-based. So, missed opportunity to call her weapon "Murder." (Which is also what one calls a group of crows.) I like Hinoka's bow (name and appearance.) Also, I see that it's a pun. ("Bow" as in weapon, (pronounced "bo") and "bow" as in the front of a ship.) Looks like, out of the banner units, only Surtr doesn't fly, and yet his title has "sky" right in it. Interesting. Edit: I like the princess' duo skill. It's nice, though Naesala kind of laughs at it with that new skill of his. I want Surtr the most, followed by Naesala, and then the princesses, and then Vika, and finally at the bottom, that one FE5 guy. So, kind of too bad for me that the ones who are easiest to get are the ones I care about the least, but eh. I'm not the first one to be in this position, so I'll graciously accept my turn at it. Edited August 3, 2021 by Mercakete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) And this is what happens when you suck at planning ahead with naming schemes:Â Surtr's Menace in Japanese uses the same word as the Threaten series of skills and has the same range and effect. Surtr's Portent in Japanese uses the same word as the Menace series of skills and has the same range and effect. Â Stall is kind of eh as a status effect. It's basically a Panic-like effect for movement, but the problem is that, like Panic, it doesn't get rid of the movement status effect, so getting danced (or activating Galeforce) will remove the Stall effect. Sure, it stops the unit for its first action, but it can still run around all it wants for subsequent actions. Â 20 minutes ago, Mercakete said: And that Def/Res Ideal looks great, especially since it isn't limited to just at the start of the turn! Does it apply those bonuses twoice -- once as a field buff and once as an in-combat buff? It's the same as other Ideal skills. You get +7 in combat if you have either a Bonus or are at full health, and you get an additional +2 in combat if you have both. Â 20 minutes ago, Mercakete said: Looks like, out of the banner units, only Surtr doesn't fly, and yet his title has "sky" right in it. Interesting. My assumption is that it's a reference to "red sky at morning, sailors take warning", except instead of bad weather ahead, it's Surtr, combined with the fact that Surtr is associated with fire. Edited August 3, 2021 by Ice Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercakete Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Ice Dragon said: It's the same as other Ideal skills. You get +7 in combat if you have either a Bonus or are at full health, and you get an additional +2 in combat if you have both. Â My assumption is that it's a reference to "red sky at morning, sailors take warning", except instead of bad weather ahead, it's Surtr, combined with the fact that Surtr is associated with fire. Point 1: Do you mean that "an additional +2" is additional to the +7, or in place of it? Point 2: Indeed, but I still find it interesting. Like, they could have probably given him a (flaming) wyvern or something, but instead they just gave him an allusion to the sky in his title and left him on the ground while all the others can actually fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, Mercakete said: Point 1: Do you mean that "an additional +2" is additional to the +7, or in place of it? In addition. As in +9 total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florete Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 58 minutes ago, Xenomata said: Naesala has Stall Ploy, a new Ploy skill that turns Movement +1 bonuses into Movement -1 debuffs on foes in cardinal directions from the unit. Minor correction here: it turns movement +1 bonuses into gravity aka movement only 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercakete Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ice Dragon said: In addition. As in +9 total. Ah, okay. Thanks. đ And yes, I have decided that I like this skill (especially as one who was always hoping for Def/Res Stance but never actually managed to get a Flying Olivia. I like my Def/Res bonuses.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomata Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Florete said: Minor correction here: it turns movement +1 bonuses into gravity aka movement only 1. Oops thanks for pointing that out fixed. Â 34 minutes ago, Mercakete said: Well, the Hawks and the Ravens were referred to as pirates (especially the Ravens, as I recall) in their home game, so kind of. But the Herons aren't, and even then, those are just bird tribes, not all flying beasts. Probably coulda worded that better, I meant for pirate banners since all the beast units are fliers so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercakete Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Xenomata said: Probably coulda worded that better, I meant for pirate banners since all the beast units are fliers so far. Ohh you mean all the beasts on the pirate banners have been fliers. This last staement sounded like IS has only released fliers as beasts period, but we also have cats, tigers, lions, wolfskin, kitsune, wolves, goats, black beasts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Well, the non-heron bird laguz are canonically pirates and plundering beorc ships in PoR. A pirates banner is a perfect seasonal for Tibarn, Janaff, Ulki, and Naesala (and maybe Nealuchi). Vika, on the other hand ... well, she may be a raven laguz but the only thing we ever see her do is be part of Tormod's tag-along group. And on that note, I hope Vika name-dropping Tormod means that he's coming sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Dragon Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Another banner with interesting characters and weapons, another issue of Lost in Translation.  The name of the banner is ćăăšă澡čłă㥠(osoru-beki kaizoku-tachi), "Pirates to be Feared". Surtr's title is ç´ čŽăŽćľˇčłç (guren no kaizoku-Ĺ), "Crimson Pirate King". Surtr's weapon is ç澡ăŽçźć§ (enkai no shakusĹ?), "Burning Lance of the Sea of Flames". Edgelord material. The skill Surtr's Portent is ççăŽč ĺ (en'Ĺ no kyĹkaku), "Flame King's Menace", where č ĺ (kyĹkaku) is the term used for the Menace series of skills. Contrast with Surtr's Menace, which is ççăŽĺ¨ĺ (en'Ĺ no ikaku), "Flame King's Threat", where ĺ¨ĺ (ikaku) is the term used for the Threaten series of skills. Naesala's title is éťă澡風 (kuroki kaifĹŤÂ or kuroki umikaze), "Black Sea Breeze". A sea breeze can be any wind that blows from water to land regardless of strength, despite being termed a "breeze". That just happens to be the word for it in English, apparently. Naesala's weapon is ĺśĺ ăŽćľˇčłăŽĺ´çŞ (kyĹchĹ no kaizoku no shisĹ?), "Beak and Talons of the Pirate of Ill Omen". The new status effect is called 犺蝢 (kĹŤten), "idle" or "stall". The characters literally translate as "empty spinning", which is equivalent to the English expression "spinning one's wheels". Vika's title is 澡ĺăé§ăăéťçżź (unabara o kakeru kokuyoku), "Black Wings Flying in From the Sea". Vika's weapon is ĺ°ĺš˛çăŽćľˇčłăŽĺ´çŞ (nubatama no kaizoku no shisĹ?), "Beak and Talons of the Pitch-Black Pirate". ĺ°ĺš˛ç (nubatama) means "pitch black", but also specifically refers to the fruit or seeds of the blackberry lily, which are very black. It is very much notable that the word can also be written with different characters çç (nubatama), which translate literally as "crow sphere". Hinoka and Camilla's title is ĺĺ¤ăŽćľˇčłç弳 (sĹya no kaizoku-Ĺjo), "Pirate Princesses of the Dual Nights". The "nights" refer to Hoshido and Nohr, which are ç˝ĺ¤ (byakuya), "White Night", and ćĺ¤ (an'ya), "Dark Night", in Japanese, respectively. Hinoka's weapon is 澡泳ăäşşéăŽĺź (umi-oyogu ningyo no yumi), "Seafaring Mermaid's Bow". Lifis's title is ă¤ăšăŽćľˇčłĺŁ (isu no kaizoku-dan), "Pirate of Iz". Lifis's weapon is ćčľăŽć§ (sĹda no ono), "Steering Axe". Edited August 3, 2021 by Ice Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etria Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Fuuuuuuuuuu, Sutr looks so awesome. Naesala and Vika are cool too. I want all of them. The princess are meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 The thought of the Ruler of Flame being on a boat in the middle of a lot of water is absolutely hilarious. I'm not going to complain if anyone else shows up, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etrurian emperor Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) I'm glad the pirate banner was popular enough to return but aside from Neasalla none of these characters are doing anything for me. I'm kinda grumpy Vika stole Tormod's slot. Also maybe Askr shouldn't have festivals celebrating people who rape, pillage and burn for a living? Heroes like Est and Safy have been kidnapped by pirates, and I think Valbar might have opinions about celebrating the sort of people who murdered his family đ Edited August 3, 2021 by Etrurian emperor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunwoo Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said: I'm glad the pirate banner was popular enough to return but aside from Neasalla none of these characters are doing anything for me. I'm kinda grumpy Vika stole Tormod's slot. Also maybe Askr shouldn't have festivals celebrating people who rape, pillage and burn for a living? Heroes like Est and Safy have been kidnapped by pirates, and I think Valbar might have opinions about celebrating the sort of people who murdered his family đ Lyn was also salty as fuck about having to hitch a ride with pirates. It'd be interesting to see how people who've had bad interactions with pirates would react to a pirate festival. But in all seriousness, I feel like things such as pirates and mercenaries and ninjas have been sanitized so much by popular media that a lot of people forget that these people weren't ... well, they weren't necessarily good people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouzyxol Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Hard pass for me. I don't really need any of the fodder they have, I don't like any of the characters particularly much...  1 hour ago, Sunwoo said: But in all seriousness, I feel like things such as pirates and mercenaries and ninjas have been sanitized so much by popular media that a lot of people forget that these people weren't ... well, they weren't necessarily good people. {Sarcasm} What-do-ya-mean? Pirates where great people! Wonderful business partners for the local! Loot some treasure being sent off to some random king, maybe catch a couple of pretty lasses, and off to market they go, stirring up wealth for those they trade with! {Sarcasm} Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Surtr's weapon is identical to Gustav's, aside from the color. His C skill is certainly cool, but I don't think it's as scary as a Save skill. Everyone is cool here, but nothing I need beyond the easy Lifis and Vika. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneStar Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 So we have Stall Ploy as the counter to Holy Knight Aura, hilarious. In AR the Safety Fence will be more of a counter to Odd Recovery since that skill literally invalidated every negative status effect, so they had to do something so that Stall Ploy is even worth having. I kind of wish that the first summer banner already ended so people can't last minute pull for more Even Recovery I'm definitely not salty about anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interdimensional Observer Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Sunwoo said: But in all seriousness, I feel like things such as pirates and mercenaries and ninjas have been sanitized so much by popular media that a lot of people forget that these people weren't ... well, they weren't necessarily good people. And to be fair, this applies to the entire Middle Ages as well. Knights, chivalry, castles, jousts! -And lots and lots of warring by great kings and petty nobles alike. Warfare is bad. In Japan's much idealized Sengoku equivalent, Motonari Mori, portrayed as a nice guy in Samurai Warriors, once told his underlings "If the miners revolt, use arrows to put them down". Life in the era was pretty bad for peasants, as it was in Medieval Europe b/c the whole serfdom thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLEASH IT Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I don't know if there was a typo or something but Hinoka's weapon looks extremely underwhelming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othin Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 46 minutes ago, UNLEASH IT said: I don't know if there was a typo or something but Hinoka's weapon looks extremely underwhelming Are you reading "attacks twice" as a guaranteed follow up? It's a brave effect. To me, it's not super exciting, but it's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diovani Bressan Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Interesting how Mermaid Bow has 4 conditions to trigger the Brave effect: Unit's HP has to be iqual or above 25%; Unit has to be the one initiating combat; Unit's Spd has to be higher than foe's Spd; Unit has to have weapon triangle advantage against foe (aka foe has to be Blue). They really hate blue units, especially Hector and Dimitri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Fantasies Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Like last month, Iâm ambivalent about this banner. Last month I was excited to see a (partially) Archanean summer banner, then immediately stopped caring when I saw Summer Marth wasnât part of it. đ This time I was excited to see Camilla as part of a Duo Hero...but the back end, and as usual I donât love her alt outfit. To be fair, she has more alts than Hinoka. On the other hand, the pirate banner returns, and Naesala is on it! Iâd summon for him, but I really want Summer Corrin to complete my Corrin collection and Iâm very low on Orbs. Vika is a pleasant surprise. I hope the ninja banner returns later, and I REALLY hope we get a pirates vs. ninja voting gauntlet. That would partially make up for Fates not bringing back pirate as a class (although there were sort of pirates in one chapter of Conquest, but they were also sort of ninja. It makes sense in context.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLEASH IT Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Othin said: Are you reading "attacks twice" as a guaranteed follow up? It's a brave effect. To me, it's not super exciting, but it's fine. Yeah, but it's against units that she'd kill anyway. This isn't swinging any matchups for her. Unitwise, she might be the worst Duo/Resonant Hero we've gotten this year. Edited August 3, 2021 by UNLEASH IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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