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31 minutes ago, Sunwoo said:

Considering that several Fodlan demotes and TT reward units didn't get a prf, we could just have a Shezdev or something

Fair is fair, I checked and all of the following are 4* fodlan units who do not have Prf weapons:

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  1. ferdinand
  2. linhardt
  3. sylvain (most recent unit)
  4. mercedes
  5. balthus
  6. aelfric (grail)
  7. flame emperor (grail)
  8. plegia raphael
  9. summer caspar
  10. summer sylvain
  11. summer lorenz (grail)
  12. ninja shamir (grail)
  13. winter felix (grail)
  14. winter annette
  15. winter ignatz (grail)
  16. winter hilda
  17. winter manuela

Remember though, the Fodlan summer demote last year, Claude, DID have a Prf weapon ON TOP OF his Prf skill, while L'arachel this year doesn't. While I'm not going to check all of the CYL rankings, all of the above names seem pretty low-scorers compared to the likes of the house leaders, main characters, and populars like Lysithea or... freaking Bernadetta I guess...

Also fun fact, I somehow managed to totally erase the existence of Winter Dorothea out of my mind, because I did NOT remember her existing before checking for Fodlan seasonals.

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Woof, this one sure fell flat for me. Lull 4 seemed interesting at first, until I re-read it and realized it wasn't a buff flipper, so it ends up being more of a sidegrade to the DR and Trace B slots. Brash Assault 4 on the other hand is powerful, if a bit lacking in PP-only units that can really put it to use--

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...Oh.

Anyway, not pulling. Which means my Orb stash is now devoted to snagging some Spring Triandra copies since I missed out before.

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I... think I want everyone on this banner. I'm honestly surprised that SS has gotten so much summer love since it's ignored most other places by IS and fans alike - and also since Summer has always been Fodlan and Heroes' domain.

Anyway, my priority is Shez for Swift Slice, but it's nice to get an Ephraim counterpart to Eirika, L'Arachel is always fun to have around and while it is weird that Shamir got a second alt*, a Duo of her and Catherine is nice to see for fans of their dynamic. I'm ambivalent about Catherine myself, but she has some good points and the banter between the two already sounds funny~

* Weird by our standards and not by IS' clearly, considering Kagero has two (three now?) alts and fellow Fodlanian Allegra Clark Dorothea has two alts despite not having an original version yet.

And of course, M!Shez having a Prf brave weapon is really exciting! It's about time Atk/Spd Solo became F2P-friendly but since it's also incredibly outdated at this point I think he'd make a fine merge project too. Bonus: since he's a TT+ reward you won't need to wait for a GHB party or rerun to max him out either, just the free combat manual we'll get a few months down the line!

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7 hours ago, GrandeRampel said:

And with this all the royals from SS have a swimsuit version.

Eirika, Ephraim, Lyon, Joshua, L'Arachel, Innes and Tana can all go to the beach together. And in case they need an escort, we have Seth, Selena and Lute already dressed for the job.

I will say, even if some have (understantable) issues with it, I like when they complete sets. Sure, completing sets makes it so certain games get the same seasonals in a row and I can see how that sucks, but at the same time having all members of a group of friends come together for a party is exactly the kind of wholesome fanservice the game is built for.

And the game itself doesn't take advantage of the situation nearly enough, which is a bummer. Like, think about it for a second. They have art for all the royals in swimsuits, they just need to write the interactions and they can make something really fun with this paralogue. Instead it will be a miracle if Ephraim interacts with his sister from last year. The more time passes, the more opportunities are missed. Stuff like the Tikis interacting with the groom Marth alt from years ago should be the norm for this kind of game, not a pleasant surprise! What the heck are they even doing?

But even if they don't do much with it, it's still nice to complete sets since there's stuff like Aether Resort (which has a beach version) where WE can do something about it and create our own fun.

 

 

But there needs to be some balance and moderation. Something like the Magvel Royals (less than ten members), or the Greil's Mercenaries (a dozen members) is reasonable and can be accomplished in just 2-3 years.

The enitre cast of Three Houses/Hopes? That's a bit much, honestly.

Like let's count how many characters Have vs Don't have a swimsuit alt at the moment.

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  1. Byleth (F)
  2. Rhea
  3. Dimitri
  4. Claude
  5. Edelgard
  6. Sylvain
  7. Ashe
  8. Ingrid
  9. Mercedes
  10. Lorenz
  11. Marianne
  12. Hilda
  13. Leonie
  14. Dorothea
  15. Caspar
  16. Shez (F)
  17. Shez (M)
  18. Shamir
  19. Catherine
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  1. Byleth (M)
  2. Seteth
  3. Flayn
  4. Alois
  5. Hanneman
  6. Manuela
  7. Cyril
  8. Gilbert
  9. Jeritza
  10. Rodrigue
  11. Monica
  12. Holst
  13. Dedue
  14. Felix
  15. Annette
  16. Ignatz
  17. Raphael
  18. Lysithea
  19. Ferdinand
  20. Hubert
  21. Linhardt
  22. Petra
  23. Bernadetta
  24. Yuri
  25. Balthus
  26. Constance
  27. Hapi
  28. Jeralt

 

Ok, things aren't as bad as I thought, I forgot how many playable characters there were in Fodlan. But still 2/5 of the entire cast shouldn't have a swimsuit variant.

Even limiting things to the starting playable cast of Three Houses (and considering Shez, Rhea, Shamir and Catherine flukes) it is still too many f***ing characters.

There's still 12 characters missing (remaining base students + Male Byleth) and a single swimsuit banner can give us 6 (four on the banner, one backpack, a TT+ reward) which means two more banners of only Three House swimsuits for 2024 and 2025 just to finish the starting roster, exactly as many as they would need if this current banner didn't exist at all since they picked only characters that aren't in the starting roster.

And if they did it once, they can do it again. I can't believe that they aren't thinking about swimsuit Ashen Wolves + Manuela + Sothis + Monica at the very least.

Enough is enough already, jeez...

 

I kind of like the idea of continuing it, just for the hell of it. At the very least Byleth M and Yuri, but continuing the house students sounds funny as well.

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1 hour ago, Etrurian emperor said:

Not that I mind male Shez at all but this banner was actually the perfect chance to throw Cyril a bone. With both Shamir and lAdY rHeA going to the beach it makes sense for Cyril to tag along. 

Who knows, if 3H keeps getting summer banners it may be his turn one day. After all even if they seem to be avoiding the younger looking girls for some reason, they have put the younger looking boys on the banner no problem and he is the only one left (maybe we can half count Arval too).

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23 minutes ago, GrandeRampel said:

Who knows, if 3H keeps getting summer banners it may be his turn one day. After all even if they seem to be avoiding the younger looking girls for some reason, they have put the younger looking boys on the banner no problem and he is the only one left (maybe we can half count Arval too).

I'd probably say Ignatz and Linhardt count as younger looking boys too. The younger girls seem to have claimed the Christmas banners. Annette, Lysithea and Bernie all got on there. This does imply Christmas Flayn and Seteth are in the cards for next year.

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I'm actually kinda miffed that MShez got literally the same weapon as FShez. Sure, she will obviously be better because of swift slice, but it feels like a bit of a slap in the face when the positions were reversed for the base versions and her prf just decided to not have the brave effect that his did. If his inevitable legendary carries on the trend, base FShez will be the only version without a brave effect.

Plus the Elincia situation has been talked about already. At least Whitecap was a great weapon in it's own right, but MShez could have had the courtesy to bring a top-tier lance inherit with him.

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GREAT! Thats exactly what I wanted, a good banner, but not stellar, so I can keep my orbs. 

 First off, fuck Shez. It's been a year since they both exist and I'm already dead sick of them. They have 5 alts combined since the past 9 months (I know the M and F version don't count as the same, it's just that I can't take either of them anymore). They could've given the TT spot to someone else and not put 2 Shezes at the same time but noooo. At least I guess that M!Shez will have a good weapon? It'd be nice to have another brave weapon on a TT unit, also having him here probably means that he won't be the legendary on the next few months and for me thats more than good.

I kinda wanted Ephraim (loved his art and he looks hella fun to use) but he is not enough to spend my orbs on him right now so it's great, I can always wait for the next chance to pull him when I don't desperately need to save orbs.

 Also, I think I'm one of those 5 people that @Tybrosion was talking about, because I really liked that the duo is Shamir and Catherine, if it has to be 3H, this was one of the best combinations that they could do for me, I like their relationship a lot, one of my favorite ones out of that game (although I get that they had more popular options to choose from, but I'm glad that they didn't), wish Catherine were the lead though so the unit could be based on her skillset,stats,etc but alas, I can't have everything.

 Also Im sad that Constance isn't here, since it has to be 3 houses, she's such an obvious option and they ignored her.

 

 Not gonna waste my orbs here though, probably only gonna try the free summon for Ephraim or, if I don't get green, for the duo.

 

 And of course NO ONE HAS A VOLLEY BALL  A G A I N!  I'm gonna start counting the years till they do it, cause it's not possible that on +/- 14 summer banners they've not given anyone a ball.

 

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Summer Female Shez looks at least a bit less annoying to deal with than her Legendary version, as we actually have viable fast Near Save units that could potentially remove her effective damage.

Ephraim's exclusive skill granting Vantage to the opponent is funny. Even more so that the skill activation animation occurs on the opponent instead of him.

Seaside Parasol looks absolutely busted for offensive staff units.

Shamir's weapon is cancer. With no help from extra Bonuses/Penalties that it doesn't apply itself and with no enemies near the target, it already gets +15 Atk, and with the maximum effect, it gets +26 Atk. There's a reason why they have to keep releasing more and more ridiculous Far Save tanks like Fomortiis and Young Hector, and it's because they keep doing shit like this that make them necessary.

Summer Male Shez exists, I guess.

The new Sacred Seals are unimpressive. If it isn't Ideal, Catch, Finish or one of the better C skills (Smoke, Rein, Assault Troop, etc.), I really don't care.

 

7 hours ago, Sunwoo said:

Don't forget summer Elincia from last year ;_; She not only didn't get a prf, but also had no prf skill because she hadn't gotten a legendary alt yet. Completely unfair.

Sure, but Whitecap Bow is strong enough to compete on even grounds with Arcane Nastrond.

Just like how busted Seaside Parasol is.

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And the usual translation notes:

 

The name of the banner, "Summer Longing", is "ないものねだりの夏" (nai mono nedari no natsu), "A Summer of Asking For the Impossible". "ないものねだり" (nai mono nedari) literally translates as "begging for something that doesn't exist" and means "asking for the impossible" or any of the many idioms with that meaning.

Shez's epithet, "Mercenary Shine", is "真夏の休養任務" (manatsu no kyūyō ninmu), "Midsummer Relaxation Mission".

Surfer's Spire is "深き海の底の双剣" (fukaki umi no soko no sōken), "Twin Swords of the Deep Sea Floor". As usual, they'll call it anything other than a "sword".

Lull Spd/Def is "速さ守備の凪" (hayasa shubi no nagi), "Spd/Def Lull".

Ephraim's epithet, "Sunshine Valiant", is "勇ましき炎陽" (isamashiki en'yō), "Brave Summer Sun". "炎陽" (en'yō) literally translates as "flaming sun" and means "summer sun" or just "summer" itself.

Seafoam Splitter is "蒼海割る裂帛の斧" (sōkai-waru reppaku no ono), "Axe that Splits the Azure Seas". The entire weapon name more accurately translates as "axe that splits the azure seas as if they were cutting through cloth".

Sunlight Bangle is "華日の腕輪" (kanichi no udewa), "Bracelet of the Brilliant Sun". Compare with Moonlight Bangle, "華月の腕輪" (kagetsu no udewa), "Bracelet of the Brilliant Moon", and Solar Brace, "太陽の腕輪" (taiyō no udewa), "Bracelet of the Sun".

Alarm Atk/Def is "攻撃守備の奮進" (kōgeki shubi no funshin), "Atk/Def Rousing Advance".

Larchel's epithet, "Summer Princess", is "夏色聖王女" (natsu-iro seiōjo), "Summer-Colored Holy Princess".

Seaside Parasol is "海辺の日傘" (umibe no higasa), "Seaside Parasol".

Earthwind Balm is "疾風大地の祝福" (shippū daichi no shukufuku), "Blessing of Gale and Earth".

Shamir's epithet, "Heartbeats United", is "心は常に共に" (kokoro wa tsune ni tomo ni), "Hearts Always Together".

Partnership Bow is "生涯の相棒の鋭弓" (shōgai no aibō no eikyū), "Sharp Bow of Partners for Life". "相棒" (aibō), "partner(s)", is romance-agnostic (i.e. has no implications in either direction), so don't let that stop you from shipping.

Discord is "不和" (fuwa), "Discord".

Brash Assault is "差し違え" (sashichigae), "Mistaken Victor". "差し違え" (sashichigae), normally meaning "putting something in the wrong place", is a sumo term that means "making a mistake determining the winner". The idea behind the skill's name and effect appears to be along the lines of "down, but not out".

Shez's epithet, "Mercenary Shade", is "傭兵の夏季休暇" (yōhei no kaki kyūka), "Mercenary's Summer Vacation".

Surfer's Spade is "深き海の底の双槍" (fukaki umi no soko no sōsō), "Twin Lances of the Deep Sea Floor".

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Ah, okay, was still posting guesses before seeing the banner trailer.

Well, Innes waited long enough to compete with Ephraim. Heck, even Eirika, Seth, and Lyon got in first! But finally, I feel like that group is complete. Also, dang. Ephraim wants to be alone in battle, and goodness is he good at tanking physical blows and crushing his foes afterward. Will pull for him.

Shamir: It's so hot...

Catherine: Baby.

XD Okay, these two are funny. I like the chemistry. Also, turns out it was F!Shez after all! And the free unit is...M!Shez. And it looks like he's kind of a clone. Surfboard and all. ... Oh well. I'll wait to see more of his design than his battle sprite before judging that too harshly, but it is kind of boring, imo. Oh, and L'Arachel is the 4* and completes the Magvel summer royals group (except maybe Myrrh?) So, we might get another summer dragon next year (I don't think she'll be on next month's banner.)

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21 minutes ago, Mercakete said:

Shamir: It's so hot...

Catherine: Baby.

XD Okay, these two are funny. I like the chemistry

I think its kinda funny. Shamir comes from a region close to Brigid meaning she's likely from the tropics herself. Meanwhile Catherine comes from the land of always winter. Yet its Shamir who has sun related issues.

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5 minutes ago, Etrurian emperor said:

I think its kinda funny. Shamir comes from a region close to Brigid meaning she's likely from the tropics herself. Meanwhile Catherine comes from the land of always winter. Yet its Shamir who has sun related issues.

Ah, I forgot about that (and IS may have, too. I think they were more focusing on Catherine's extreme perseverance and Shamir's more blunt, practical nature.)

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29 minutes ago, Mercakete said:

Ah, I forgot about that (and IS may have, too. I think they were more focusing on Catherine's extreme perseverance and Shamir's more blunt, practical nature.)

Well that and Shamir having no cool in general (pun initially unintended).

1 hour ago, Ice Dragon said:

And the usual translation notes:

The name of the banner, "Summer Longing", is "ないものねだりの夏" (nai mono nedari no natsu), "A Summer of Asking For the Impossible". "ないものねだり" (nai mono nedari) literally translates as "begging for something that doesn't exist" and means "asking for the impossible" or any of the many idioms with that meaning.

Alarm Atk/Def is "攻撃守備の奮進" (kōgeki shubi no funshin), "Atk/Def Rousing Advance".

I was waiting for this, thanks as always, Ice Dragon!

I wonder if the Paralogue is going to feature Lyon in some way, or if the "Longing" is going to about the Fodlan characters (which is far more likely). Heck, maybe Catherine is jealous that Rhea chose to pair with Byleth instead of her.

As for Alarm Atk/Def: is the "Rousing" in the JP name the same used for the basic Rouse skills?

Returning to the banner itself, I wonder if Ephraim is a sign that we'll get more units that get +1 movement just because? Sigurd needed a niche as a Legendary, Seliph copied his dad, Yuri was using Fetters of Dromi so the only odd one out in that regard was B!Alm's refine until now. Unless I'm forgetting something.

In any case, hopefully I get lucky in this banner so I still have something left for the next few months.

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1 hour ago, Ice Dragon said:

Surfer's Spire is "深き海の底の双剣" (fukaki umi no soko no sōken), "Twin Swords of the Deep Sea Floor". As usual, they'll call it anything other than a "sword".

xD Who knows, maybe this is their way of coping with giving everyone swords all the time? "If we don't call it a sword in English, it doesn't count!"

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5 minutes ago, DefyingFates said:

As for Alarm Atk/Def: is the "Rousing" in the JP name the same used for the basic Rouse skills?

Yeah.

The Alarm skill series is "奮進" (funshin), "rousing advance", which is a novel compound. "奮" (fun) is "to rouse", "to muster", "to become invigorated". "進" (shin) is "to move forward", "to make progress".

The Rouse skill series is "奮起" (funki), "rousing oneself", which is a regular compound word. "奮" (fun) is the same as above. "起" (ki) is "to get up", "to wake up", "to occur".

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4 hours ago, Ice Dragon said:

The new Sacred Seals are unimpressive. If it isn't Ideal, Catch, Finish or one of the better C skills (Smoke, Rein, Assault Troop, etc.), I really don't care.

Some of those are the dream, but unfortunately there's still quite the big pool of skills they can pull from of either mediocre or trash skills. I mentioned Defiant Res still hasn't been added, and I'm sure someone out there has Triangle Adept on their mind...

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12 hours ago, Sunwoo said:

Don't forget summer Elincia from last year ;_; She not only didn't get a prf, but also had no prf skill because she hadn't gotten a legendary alt yet. Completely unfair.

Her (a unit I was eager to get to +10 merges) not getting a Prf weapon is probably the main reason I'm displeased with M!Shez getting one. 

12 hours ago, Xenomata said:

You might begin to believe that someone at IntSys has something of a fetish for Fodlan... and you would be wrong, because they have an extreme fetish AND a wank sock for Fodlan.

I don't know, there might also be a Shez dev specifically. After all, Sylvain got screwed out of his Lance of Ruin for no discernible reason. Sylvain even placed higher than both of the Shezs in CYL7 so like what?

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10 hours ago, Xenomata said:

Some of those are the dream, but unfortunately there's still quite the big pool of skills they can pull from of either mediocre or trash skills. I mentioned Defiant Res still hasn't been added, and I'm sure someone out there has Triangle Adept on their mind...

They could go back to giving us three Sacred Seals each Tempest Trials again if there's just so much junk waiting to be released. It's really disappointing to have 2 in every 4 Tempest Trials have nothing worthwhile, 1 in 4 have something that will permanently be given to a specific unit because it's best-in-slot for that unit and that unit only, and only the remaining 1 in 4 have something legitimately good.

And there are actually a decent number of "mediocre" Sacred Seals that I didn't mention and that I'd actually like to see, and these are also being slowed down by Tempest Trials that release only two junk Sacred Seals:

  • Seal Def is relevant in Rokkr Sieges.
  • Pass is relevant in Resonant Battles and in some challenge maps now that generic enemies can get Bulwark.
  • Lull skills have been overshadowed for a while and would be nice to have as alternatives to the stat-boosting A skills. They're weaker than the A skills when the opponent has no bonuses, but are stronger if they do.
  • Dull Melee and Dull Ranged are still missing.
  • Weaponbreaker skills would be great to have for challenge maps.
  • Triangle Adept would also be great to have for challenge maps.

Additionally, it's not like Ideal and Catch are even that strong when limited to tier 3, as all they do is grant +5 to two stats with a lenient condition and have no other effects. Finish and Clash are actually justifiable to not release yet since they're strong even at tier 3.

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Shez: Mercenary Shine got Canto, Meister, and true damage on Surfer's Spire, and basically effective damage against all units slower than her on Swift Slice. With Flow Guard and Sweep Sacred Seal (whenever that gets released), she can shut down slow bulky tanks pretty effectively. For now, maybe Sweep on B and Guard on Sacred Seal would be best.

Shez: Mercenary Shade got Canto, Meister, and true damage on Surfer's Spade as above. With an open A slot, he can be a Counter-Vantage unit with Ruptured Sky, Distant A/S Solo, Vantage, and S/D Rein Snap, and Sacred Seal can be Atk/Spd Solo, Brazen Atk/Spd, or Fierce Breath. He can also be a regular nuke with Desperation and Dive Bomb. He is not as effective against bulky tanks without Swift Slice, so maybe Sturdy Impact, Flow Flight, and Guard Sacred Seal, although that is really reliant on the Def check. Alternatively, he can try to Sweep like Shez: Mercenary Shine above, but have Atk/Spd Clash on A.

Ephraim: Sunshine Valiant got Slaying, extra movement, charge+1, and damage reduction on Seafoam Splitter, and Sunlight Bangle got Meister, in combat healing, and reverse Vantage. He is basically always an "enemy phase" unit, like how Counter-Vantage units are always "player phase" units. As an "enemy phase" unit, he can trigger stronger Specials more reliably due to being hit; on the other hand, I am not sure that is enough of a strength to offset the weakness of always getting hit.

Shamir: Heartbeats United got Slaying, inflicts and splashes Panic and Discord on closest foes, offensive Tempo, and offensive Null Follow-Up. Duo inflicts Gravity in cardinal, and Feud in 5 by 5 cardinal.

Tier 4 Lulls are alright, wish it was a bit stronger though. Instead of just plain inflicts, I think nullifying bonus effects would be better. If they must keep the plain inflicts, then I would remove the cap and double the infliction: 1/1 stat debuff per bonus effect is too weak, I think 3/3 per bonus effect would be better to actually make it feel punishing.

Brash Assault 4 seems pretty good with two conditions to trigger: either at not full health, or if enemy is at fully health. Also got damage reduction and true damage based on damage reduced. Seems to go really well with Remote Sparrow; Surge Sparrow also works, but is a bit more difficult, but can help with sustain.

We finally got Earthwind Balm.`

Seaside Parasol inflicts Guard on closest foes and splashes Guard on Saviors; it also got relevant stat boosts and inflicts for a nuke.

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22 hours ago, DefyingFates said:

Well that and Shamir having no cool in general (pun initially unintended).

Are you sure you don't mean Catherine? She's the impassioned one. Shamir has nothing but cool, even when she's scared.

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4 hours ago, Mercakete said:

Are you sure you don't mean Catherine? She's the impassioned one. Shamir has nothing but cool, even when she's scared.

I meant to say "no nonsense" or "has no chill", my bad! She strikes me as someone who wouldn't get the point of sunbathing and the like while Catherine's a (relatively speaking) work hard, play hard sort of person.

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@Ice Dragon All releasing 3 seals per TT could serve to do is keep garbage like Odd Waves out of the 10k and 20k seal slots and limit them to only the 6k slot (where low-demand seals used to be rewarded, now delegated to the red Divine Codes of the month). The passives you listed could only possibly be rewarded in those two slots anyway.

If I'm honest though, I'd be satisfied if they stopped with releasing seals of garbage skills like Odd Waves that have little modern application, and then not care what other seals they release. Maybe something like Infantry Pulse would make an interesting seal though...

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