Choose You're Own Role Mafia - Game Over

[Shinori]

Oh hey proto is here actually as I post that.

Proto why did you unvote me?

[Elieson]

You're going off a checklist of scumtells, that's amateurish

So that makes players with under 3 months experience here less likely to actually be scum, despite being open and equally likely to be scum? I don't follow how looking for scumtells and building scumreads doesn't work on non-vets. You aren't telling me why it's bad; you're just saying it's bad.

[Kriemhild]

You're going off a checklist of scumtells, that's amateurish

Well, it's not like I can have you lynched or something at this point.

Oh hey proto is here actually as I post that.

Proto why did you unvote me?

Because voting based on a grudge from a previous game is silly and should not be taken seriously

[SB.]

Bleh, votals changed and stuff. Inactives will probably be stuck with their vote.So, we just have to decide between me, Elieson, and SB, eh? I never bothered analyzing Elieson's iso because he posted too many giant walls, though I do recall agreeing with many of his points while skimming the thread the first time. For SB, though, I haven't really noticed him much, and idk why he became such a big target. But eh, I don't want Elieson lynched so##Unvote: Paperblade##Vote: Serious Bananas

"I dont want to lynch the person who's posts I haven't really read so I'll vote the person who I don't really think is scummy."

Anonymafia's scumteam wasn't super buff playerwise imo

[SB.]

Refa post something seriously

[Elieson]

You're going off a checklist of scumtells, that's amateurish

Oh no you got me I guess I'm gonna just have to throw in the towel. You got me, I can't hide it any longer.

Not really. I really can't argue myself as a top rated player despite being here for a while. Shit look at rapier; he constantly got lynched and he's been playing for <time>.

I can't scumhunt among all the living players though? Sorry my scumhunting techniques don't match yours, but afaik they aren't wrong just because they're not yours. Stop acting like they are.

[Paperblade]

Elieson why do you find bearclaw scummy?

[Grassbridger]

Paperblade, wasn't Bear also scum in fakeclaim?

ISOing wagons:

Elie: All I really notice is that he kept his RVS vote on Strege in place for quite a while, but he gives legitimate scumhunting reasons for keeping his vote on Strege. He's mentioned a gutread on me like 3 times, though, and the only time he actually gave any reason for that read, I asked him "hey did you misread my post maybe" and he never responded. I don't know if that bothers me because it's me (i.e. an OMGUSy thing) or because he's semi-pushing me without giving any real evidence. I can't get a read on the potential fakeness of a gutread without elaboration.

SB: rolecop is a scummy role, would lynch now. jk role =/= alignment

I was a little surprised at how little content SB had, up until he was catapulted into being a wagon. Votes JSND without any justification; some rolespec about BBM and how to use his power; finally a big post that responds to a lot of things and continues his case on JSND. I associate SB with more active posting, as he has been doing in the past few hours (now that he's a wagon). Seems weakly scummy; would be ok with lynching.

Proto: my vote is staying here. He's only found one person scummy, and that's Paperblade, and Paperblade is almost certainly nonmafia, since his role would definitely break the game as scum (unless he could only use it once, on D1, or something, and he's lying about that bit). His SB vote is understandable but still pretty bad if he doesn't update his reasoning before phase end--I hope he's going through SB and Elie right now to get an informed opinion.

[Prims]

Day 1.6 - Votals

Elieson (7) - eclipse, NekoRex, Bluedoom, BigBangMeteor, Kay, Strege, Paperblade

Proto (5) - kirsche, Grassbridger, Serious Bananas, Elieson, bearclaw13

Serious Bananas (5) - Rocker64, Objection, Refa, Reinfleche, Proto

Boron (3) - j00, scorri, Shinori

Paperblade (1) - Boron

Not Voting (0) - N/A

With 21 alive, it takes 7 to deadline lynch and 11 to hammer. You have 5 hours left in the day.

[Kriemhild]

"I dont want to lynch the person who's posts I haven't really read so I'll vote the person who I don't really think is scummy."

It's true, I don't think you're scummy. But the people I do think are scummy (Paperblade, BBM, and to a lesser extent, bearclaw) aren't getting lynched in six hours.

Also, I'm not sure I quite understand how I became part of the wagon. I can understand kirsche and Grass, because they were after me for quite a while now, but what about the others? Am I being voted primarily to protect Paper's ability, when he's not even confirmed to be Town?

[Shinori]

For some reason I thought you had posted more than you had Proto, but there is only like 3-4 posts between your vote on me and the vote swap. So I guess never mind on that.

[Elieson]

Because his contributions aside from BBMustbegod role discussion was weak and he didn't address many issues or seem to be trying to pull anything new out discussion-wise. I find his content dismal despite lots of posts aka too much fluff not enough stuff. He had done self defense when barely to a point of reaching minimum lynch reqs (questioning the 5th vote on his wagon, Boron's I think) and hasn't done anything of note aside from role discussion and self defense.

[Kriemhild]

Proto: my vote is staying here. He's only found one person scummy, and that's Paperblade, and Paperblade is almost certainly nonmafia, since his role would definitely break the game as scum (unless he could only use it once, on D1, or something, and he's lying about that bit). His SB vote is understandable but still pretty bad if he doesn't update his reasoning before phase end--I hope he's going through SB and Elie right now to get an informed opinion.

I would go through them if I had the time and patience to read through those walls of text, with context. It's a Friday morning here so I still have classes and such. Won't even be here during phase end.

I probably can't get votes off of me, but I am still curious as to how the other votes are building up on me.

[SB.]

Me being less active than usual has more to do with me being busy and not feeling particularly well yesterday. It's nothing to do with alignment.

Speaking of, going to sleep in a few minutes.

[Refa]

Was posting reads post, but

SB- I don't get his initial bearclaw vote. Sure, he explained it later (and I think his explanation is valid), but the initial vote seemed to have come out of nowhere. His BBM clear theory is stoopid, because if BBM was scum, he'd just get a scumbuddy to "clear" him. Just noticed that he hinted at having role related reasons for wanting to lynch Boron, so there was previous mention of that Honestly his whole reads post feels like he's cherrypicking town mistakes, because he feels bad about literally everyone and that's obnoxious. Not sure if that's necessarily scummy, BUT I remember him exhibiting similar behavior in Semi-Precious too. I don't get why his role clears him too, can someone explain?

SB please respond.

[Kriemhild]

Oh, yeah, the Boron investigation. I don't like how SB thought it was scummy that she had two parts in her role, but then again, it wasn't his primary reason for pushing her, so I guess that's justified.

[SB.]

My reasoning was actually in my vote post, it was just out of order. I felt like he was trying really hard to make people distrust BBM and was discreditting his own posts. If BBM gets a scumbuddy to clear him then doesn't die after a while people will probably start to wonder what's happening and if either one flips the other will be lynched in a heartbeat. Mytown stylr and scum style are pretty similar as of late considering I don't generally care if I'm bussing or not. My role doesn't clear me but it's useful.

[Refa]

My reasoning was actually in my vote post, it was just out of order. I felt like he was trying really hard to make people distrust BBM and was discreditting his own posts. If BBM gets a scumbuddy to clear him then doesn't die after a while people will probably start to wonder what's happening and if either one flips the other will be lynched in a heartbeat. Mytown stylr and scum style are pretty similar as of late considering I don't generally care if I'm bussing or not. My role doesn't clear me but it's useful.

OK, fair enough for your reasoning. Not fully convinced about your BBM theory, but it does make sense and now I feel stoopid for saying your theory was stoopid. Not sure what to think of your meta comment, but whatever.

[SB.]

Going to bed now.

[Elieson]

Ugh Am I leading votes?

[The Objection!]

In no condition to post reads, but I can drop a vote if you ask fast since I won't be here for phase end.

Not fond of SB lynch so ##Unvote

[Da Bear]

In no condition to post reads, but I can drop a vote if you ask fast since I won't be here for phase end.

Not fond of SB lynch so ##Unvote

Vote Proto to retain Paper's role if you don't find a leading wagon scummy.

[The Objection!]

I guess Proto's the only wagon I'm okay with lynching.

##Vote: Proto

[Paperblade]

Because his contributions aside from BBMustbegod role discussion was weak and he didn't address many issues or seem to be trying to pull anything new out discussion-wise.

Is this unique to Bearclaw?

I find his content dismal despite lots of posts aka too much fluff not enough stuff.

Do you have examples?

He had done self defense when barely to a point of reaching minimum lynch reqs (questioning the 5th vote on his wagon, Boron's I think) and hasn't done anything of note aside from role discussion and self defense.

Explain how this makes him scum.

[Refa]

Sorry for my lateness with these reads. I had them half done around yesterday, but then an influx of posts happened, and I got really discouraged, and Pokemon X happened, and well...you know the rest.

But enough lame excuses, onto the reads! Um, some of them. I have 5 people left to go. Quick thoughts on what I think their alignment is; Strege- Leaning Town, Elieson- Null (although I definetely need a reread on him), Boron- Null, Kirsche- Leaning Town, bearclaw- Leaning Scum, Proto- Leaning Scum. Will try to get those up soon (I should have ISO'd my scum reads first...).

Leaning Town

BBM- I'm getting a town vibe from most of his arguments, particularly his thoughts on Strege, Bearclaw, and Proto in particular. I think his role could be really helpful if used effectively (coordinating abilities and what not so that they don't clash, stuff like that), so I'll probably claim to him.

Paperblade- I feel like he's been rather proactive and done a good job helping move the game forwards, which is more than can be said for a lot of people. Honestly, I thought he brought up some valid points on Boron, although her recent posts make me less inclined to think she is scum (about a day ago, I had her on leaning scum). Not sure about his SB case where he states that SB was voteparking on bearclaw (although that seems more like a gutread, and his later SB read makes more sense to me), and I'm not finding Elieson nearly as scummy as he is. Also when h-hahahahaha, oh god his role, I can't believe that's for real. Anyways, I've never heard of something like that before, so any rolespec on my part would be pointless. Would be pretty powerful regardless of his alignment....OK, he did bring up a good point in regards to his role being in the hands of scum.

Kay- I agree with what she said about BBM's claim, and that his lack of attempts to justify it was not scummy. I think her vote on SB was a little weak and could have used more explanation, but I don't like how defensive SB was being over it...besides that, all of her other content is looking fine, there was nothing that particularly bothered me in it.

Grassbridger- I agree with his reasoning regarding Proto, and his kirsche case is logically sound, even if I don't personally buy it. However, his Boron case is really nitpicky, however considering he's exhibited similar behavior as town before, it doesn't bother me that much. Additionally, I think what people like Eclipse are sidestepping is that he does bring up some valid points (like her being overly defensive). However, saying that she was trying to imitate frustrated town is like three layers too deep into WIFOM. I also don't like Elieson's argument that he was tunneling, considering he did nothing of the sort. Anyways, yeah, he's done nothing to make me think he's not town.

Null

Eclipse- Her lack of reads early on kind of bothers me, despite posting so much. There's nothing actually wrong with these posts, and not really seeing the scum intent in her comments, but...it's annoying. It's really just this, along with her apathy about who gets lynched, which makes me unsure enough to put her in null instead of leaning town. I also don't really agree with her Grassbridger case, as nitpicking is something he consistently does even as town.

SB- Listed reasons in a previous post. I think his explanations make sense though (the meta thing still bothers me, though), and I'm not as convinced of my scumread on him, so he's moving down to here for now. As far as his role is concerned, I...don't know, considering there are no vanillas (hence, everyone is a Power Role), I'm more inclined to think that makes him look scummier; how would rolecop help town, unless he catches like, someone lying about their role? I can see a role cop being far more useful to scum...I don't want to lynch him today though (rolespec is really more of a gut read than anything else), will reevaluate my case on him during later days.

##Unvote

Haven't Posted Enough For Me To Get A Solid Read On Them

PreFace: Don't confuse this with null reads or POST MORES. Rather, these are my thoughts on players who haven't posted particularly much, but there just isn't enough content for me to get a legit read on them.

Bluedom- Most of his arguments have been fine so far, and while I don't agree with his case on Elieson, not really seeing any scum intent there.

j00- I dunno. His bearclaw sheeping explanation makes sense, and I've seen bearclaw do that as scum in the past. I don't think his argument re: me is scummy, but I think it's flawed because I was reading BBM as town at that point, but I wasn't 100% sure about that, so I understand if other people didn't want to claim to him. I'd like to know what comments of mine are fluff, though. Additionally, I don't really get his Strege argument...like, at all.

Objection- I agree with his case on bearclaw but at this point I'm honestly unnerved by how many seperate cases on bearclaw there are. Not using this as an excuse to find Objection scummy, just pointing it out. What does bother me about Objection is that he pretty much has no thoughts on anyone else.

NekoRex- Hasn't really done much of anything.

Reinfleche- His comments regarding bearclaw's irrelevant comments are fine, but that's it.

Rocker64- I don't get him, his first two posts are saying that he doesn't want to go along with BBM's idea, and then his last post says "nevermind it's OK after all" and he's pretty much said nothing else.

scorri- Not really seeing anything wrong with her posts, but she should elaborate on her Boron and bearclaw reads (considering there's quite a bit more to say about both of them at the moment).

Shinori- I don't like his first non RVS vote on Strege, because his argument for kirsche was a lot stronger, whereas he just agreed with other people for his Strege case; not sure if that's because scum intent or just laziness. Also it kind of bothers me that he's suspicious of like everyone he's mentioned except Paperblade.