Jedi Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 I dno if I'm that hardcore man. Also are people still up for Dorf discussion? Not much has happened despite all the votes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 there are reasons I vote for versatile top tiers for discussion more things to like discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 we should talk about sheik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Samus and Little Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine Sword Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Captain Falcon and Donkey Kong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 voting will end on the 23rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom037 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Dong and Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anacybele Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Luigi and Mii Swordfighter, gonna vote them until they win. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami922 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Peach Palutena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euklyd Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Fox tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Fox Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jave Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Pac-Man Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 Whooooa so sorry I got caught up in other things. This will end tomorrow, and we can maybe get some more votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) I shall vote for Fox So we have some discussion here. : "I'll do my best. Andross won't have his way with me!"Origin: Starfox/Starwing for the SNES Year: 1993 Developer: Nintendo Current English VA: Mike West Current Japanese VA: Kenji Nojima FramedataRSATD: Fox's B moves reference his various Arwings functions, such as the Reflector being like that of a Barrel Roll among other things, its up for debate on the rest of his Specials. So here we have Fox, one of the highest skill curve characters, no matter what smash you're playing, he's really fun and really technical, also hard to fight if you are fighting a competent one, he's fast, has some nice kill confirms, good throws, a solid recovery especially now that Up B can be done out of Side B, His shine getting some of its old spike ability, a very good moveset that flows into itself. I've always wanted to be good with Fox, but I've always prefered Falco, both as a character and in terms of Smash style. DISCUSS. Also his voice is MEH IN SMASH 4 FIRE... EW Edited September 27, 2015 by Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Ah, Fox. Fun Character to use. Fast, good combos. and nice throws, No more jab infinite, but you can still get at least one or two in and then grab. His recovery is better but still can be exploitable. I kinda miss being able to shine spike lol. at least its a little better now. HIs Moveset is great. I'd put him somewhere between 10-12 on a tier list tbh.very good character. also his voice acting in 4. yeeeoooww. geez lol Edited September 27, 2015 by Ice Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Ah, Fox. Fun Character to use. Fast, good combos. and nice throws, No more jab infinite, but you can still get at least one or two in and then grab. His recovery is better but still can be exploitable. I kinda miss being able to shine spike lol. at least its a little better now. HIs Moveset is great. I'd put him somewhere between 10-12 on a tier list tbh.very good character. Maybe we should do some Fox dittos! I know for a fact, getting better with Fox helps your fundamentals with like everyone in smash generally. Like it seems to be true in every smash game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Sage Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Maybe we should do some Fox dittos! I know for a fact, getting better with Fox helps your fundamentals with like everyone in smash generally. Like it seems to be true in every smash game. Sure! Whenever i have free time i'll try to help~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icemario Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Fox used to be one of my more common secondaries, then I started liking Falco more. Still though, he's really not an annoying character to fight, and he's really fun to play as with a pretty strong moveset as icing on the cake. His recovery is amazing in terms of reach especially with the wall-jump he has, but it's really readable and in a stage like Battlefield, makes him very exposed to stage spiking. Blaster isn't as viable (although I think it got buffed recently) as in past games iirc, but it's still the best feeling to spam it on someone after a shield break and kill them with an u-smash. Was really salty about the removal of jab infinite because I only just learned that when the patch happened, but even so I enjoy playing him every now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Was really salty about the removal of jab infinite because I only just learned that when the patch happened, but even so I enjoy playing him every now and then. Fox and Link mains both feel the pain of losing those jab infinites :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elieson Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) I never liked fox Ever Sry fooxlikers. Edited September 27, 2015 by Elieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamarsamar Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Still though, he's really not an annoying character to fight, and he's really fun to play as My opinion could not be any more polar opposite of this fragment. Good Foxes are mondo-annoying to fight simply because they can do so much stuff to you so fast, while you're generally struggling to actually land any of your KO moves against him. Conversely, I can't stand playing as him or Falco because, among all the other things that make their skill curve ridiculously high, they insist on falling like a rock in a vacuum. They're not as offending as they were in Melee (and quite frankly, no character should ever be), but to be frank, there is nothing worse than losing simply on account of the sheer fact that some tryhard is able to press buttons faster than you. (That's actually part of what I can't stand about the fighting game genre in general--whoever can make precisely the correct inputs faster can simply shut the other person out of even trying to play.) Because of both the speed and range of Blaster, Fox is bar-none the best character to bring into Crazy Orders (with the First Strike/Home-Run Bat/Quick Batter all-Speed-boosting Equipment combo), and while I can get decently large Turn counts, I have only managed to actually have a successful run only once ever thus far. Very probably my second-worst character, next only to Falco, and I despise them both with a passion. Just like any one game against him, let's get these matchups over with . . . Yoshi: Fox has to tryharder to edge out against you, so if he doesn't respect Yoshi then the game is basically yours. If he's piloted by a good player, however, then approaching him will be a bit of a pain--and Fox specializes in forcing approaches with Blaster and Reflector. You basically have to try to outread him, but on the plus-side, your up-smash and up-air are at least as deadly as his. Charizard: This is actually a very interesting matchup that other players have analyzed better than I could. The general consensus is that the matchup is roughly 50/50, but of course that's dramatically over-simplifying things. All I know is that my Charizard can eat scrub Foxes for breakfast, though admittedly it probably helps that Charizard is a very under-respected character in general. Robin: Unlike someone like Captain Falcon, you are not allowed the luxury of waiting for Fox to come to you and then bringing him down to your speed. You have to use your swords a lot; it's safest to combo into your spells. Not a fun time. Mii Swordfighter: Gale Strike is still usable but unfortunately it doesn't eat Blaster shots; also beware if he pulls out Reflector point-blank, as you will be left all kinds of vulnerable. You have some range on him outside of the projectile game, but generally speaking he can do everything else better than you. Unfavorable. Edited September 27, 2015 by Tamarsamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 They're not as offending as they were in Melee (and quite frankly, no character should ever be), but to be frank, there is nothing worse than losing simply on account of the sheer fact that some tryhard is able to press buttons faster than you. people shouldn't be allowed to talk about subjects if they're going to butcher them like this i don't think there's much to fox. he just wins the neutral and gets kills easily on account of having good frame data. fair combos are cool though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamarsamar Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 people shouldn't be allowed to talk about subjects if they're going to butcher them like this Forgive me if I prefer my games to be more heavily based on strategy than simply contests of whoever can complete the arbitrary task the fastest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 play melee competitively for a month and come back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batter the Beast Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 My area uses customs, so if you play with customs, watch out for fox's upb 3, which kills ridiculously early (70%ish in the air) but is a risky option because of how easily it can be punished. He doesn't really trade anything for this stupid killing power except it has slightly lower travel speed and travels less distance IIRC. There aren't really other customs to write home about except his neutral b 2, which is basically a better Falco laser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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