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Sorry for being away for so long. I got sidetracked by a bunch of long jrpgs games (and am soon going to be playing zelda botw). I already did up to ch24 and i had also stopped due to lack of motivation. Thing is that i need max spd and a lot of atk and mag on corrin in order to get the lowest turncounts in the final stretch. Endgame takumi being particularly worrisome. I figured i could 2 turn ryoma w max spd and need to rig a bunch of levels in paralogues in order to get the desired stats. Its gonna be really annoying. Ill start uploading c21 to 24 this week though and potentially look into actually going through the rigging required to finish the draft with a satisfactory (for me) turncount.

Rip felicia 2016-2017

I usually get 8-9k depending on the units im using. Heres what i did last time: Note that in lunatic theres waaaay more wyverns near percy. All enemies at the top will aggro in turn 10 whether u lure them or not but if u lure one of them early all of them will aggro early. I usually lure the lunatic wyverns to the center dragon vein with camilla/corrin and dv them when they get there. Ive done this map in all 7 of my cq lunatic runs and in the draft so im used to it by now. Hope it helps!

Cant wait to see all the improvements on what i did back then! Itll be interesting to see. :)

Hinata can get shove for drafts!

Does arthur really need to be lower? To whoever says he should: think about it. Whos below him? Besides peri, is there anyone there that could be better? Arthur: *joins early. *provides good support bonuses and strong attack stance strikes at a moment in the game you want those. *has the option to go cavalier. While this does make him silas-lite, its still better than whatever the lower tiers do. *has an amazing kid that you might want to use anyway that gives you money and fixes arthurs lck problem when near him too. *arthur doesnt really have problems hitting. He does have some 70s early on as a fighter but his skl growth or cavalier weapons (if that is a thing) will make that go away, provided you dont keep gamble on. Lck doesnt factor too much on hit tbh. *you suceeded in lowering him maybe but only by 1 spot. Just realized through this that Peri is better since she doesnt need the seal to be a cavalier and arthur doesnt have too much availability or support utility over her. As for felicia vs elise: i think felicia should just be lower. Not gonna lie, i dont use c2 felicia often enough to know how she does in efficiency so i kinda just assumed high availability and decent support throughout the whole game made her kinda good. I dont find elise good enough but i tend to undervalue pure healers in general. Shes not that hard to get to level 10 in efficiency and instapromo i suppose. Though shes never gonna be doing much on ep i guess that gives her decent player phase nuking on top of a pony and staves.

Chapter 20 https://youtu.be/tKivd5PPJkM I am sooo glad i remembered nyx can get locktouch or i wouldve lost the rescue staff here. Fuga is surprisingly bulky and speedy so i had corrin draconic hex him so percy can have an easier time killing him. Chapter 20 is completed in 2 turns By skipping everything lol. Way easier this way. Though fuga is tough to actually double and orko damn. He has 24 spd and like 31 def with throne bonuses. So bulky.

Yeah effie over kaze is probably right. Its all theory on felicia since i havent done it myself but she can go strategist since jakob doesnt exist. The issue is how bad her def already is and it makes it even worse. The offense is promising though. Felicia herself might drop down to where elise is tbh and ive thought about doing it a few times now but im not sure yet. Has someone used strategist felicia and care to chime in?

Tier List v1.1 is out! Changes made: -Azura below Corrin: Corrin is around for longer and his/her combat and variety of roles is so good. -Silas down to High Tier. Not consistent or good enough to be among the likes of Xander Corrin etc. He's good but isnt automatically amazing all the time. -Effie down to Upper Mid Tier. While shes a great combat unit and an early one at that, she does have her set of issues keeping up. She does also eventually fall off in usefulness. -Kaze down to Upper Mid Tier. He's a great offensive unit but his durability tends to limit that a bit too much for him to be in High Tier. -Leo to Top Tier. He's about as amazing as Xander and even better sometimes. Can take hits from both sides and dish out the hurt back at the enemy. Not hard to fix his spd either. -Beruka up to High Tier above Silas. She has amazing bases in anything not spd, flies, joins early and has a ton of useful things going for her. Her spd isnt that hard to fix early on and her tankiness, flight and high skl makes her valuable in a lot of maps. -Upper Mid Tier now just Mid Tier. Peri and Gunter merged with Mid Tier. -Keaton up a few spots for his useful pairup bonuses and better combat than Charlotte. Charlotte down to Low Tier. Laslow down to Low tier. -Added rules to the OP. -Added Previous Version to the OP. Axe Wyvern Waifu Tier Camilla Top Tier Corrin Azura Xander Jakob (Ch2) Leo High Tier Beruka Silas Niles Felicia (Ch2) Mid Tier Effie Kaze Elise Selena Shura Arthur Peri Gunter Low Tier Nyx Keaton Charlotte Laslow Flora Felicia (Ch16) Izana Bottom Tier Jakob (Ch16) Benny Mozu Odin [spoiler=List in Picture form] Axe Wyvern Waifu Tier Top Tier High Tier Mid Tier Low Tier Bottom Tier Doubts atm: All of bottom tier is shaky. Im not sure whether mozu is better than odin if benny is better than all of them or if jakob is the worst character of em all. I really dont know with these bad units. Effie vs Kaze: Effie can do more combat than kaze due to her bulk but kaze has 1-2 range with doubling over here. Not sure what to value more. I know I value Effie more than Kaze usually so I put her above him for now.

Chapter 19 https://youtu.be/tryIujS8tbg This is honestly the worst map ever. I hate it. A lot. You dont even know. Lots of terrain that boosts avo and dodgy foxes that can cost turns whenever they dodge...it is just soooo annoying. It doesnt help that percy doesnt have beastkiller and that arthur has poor lck resulting in needing percys personal skill to not die to random crits. But i managed to do this somehow. If theres one positive thing about this chapter is that it took so long i could build supports. Chapter 19 is completed in 5 turns

Marth. Hes been consistently good in every smash hes been in due to an incredibly effective moveset. The only time he has sucked is in the first version of smash 4, where he lacked the range to carry out his gameplan.

FE4: https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=9b0PoRPGIkg FE6: within the magnificent nature FE8: preparations theme, rise above and determination FE10: Echoes of daybreak, dawn brigade battle theme, black knight, on glorys wings, the devoted. Most of the enemy battle themes too for getting me pumped. FE11: Preparations, footsteps of fate FE12: Young light, insurrection, hardin, one who changes fate FE13: destiny ablaze, divine decree FE14: thorn in you and most map ones are good too so ill save the trouble of listing them all.

Silas never really catches up to paladin jakob. And jakob never really falls off anyway. Jakobs leads are way bigger than theyre made to be. Which honestly is just making me believe silas needs to go down. Hes not a unit that can be compared to xander etc. On heart seals: corrin jakob camilla selena arthur can all use it and give you way better results than mozu ever will. Mozu does have good offense if you go through the trouble of training her. The problem with that is that you had to baby a bad unit for several chapters, slow down for her, risk clears and safety to feed a unit that cant sustain herself and waste a valuable resource on her. All for a unit that can nuke a single enemy per player phase...i can name quite a few units that can do the same with waaaay less investment and they can also do it on enemy phase. I want to bring up peri vs gunter. I initially believed peri to be better because of availability and way better combat than gunter. I was convinced by someone on gunters usefulness as a support unit. He offers sheltering, flight, damage and hit bonuses to corrin and moderately easy to obtain rally skill/def. Would peris earlier jointime and potential as a combat unit beat out his perks as a support unit? I think effie can stand to go down a little bit. Not moving her out of high tier neccesarily but she could stand to go below kaze and leo. I also want to have more discussion on charlotte vs keaton. I dont value keaton at all due to his low movement and 1 range lock but someone brought up his pairup bonuses being just as good as charlottes and he probably has an easier time with combat too. Nyx: probably moving up above staffbots and charlotte. She does have the ability to be a +1 mov bow knight/dark knight and she doesnt do too badly as a combat unit in c11 and 13 if earlypromoted. I dont think shes better than laslow though. He does have a nice free rally and the ability to go ninja. Proposed changes: Silas down to top of High Tier Effie moved below Leo Nyx above Charlotte Keaton up? Charlotte down EDIT: actually nyx might be better than laslow idk. EDIT: i thought i had nyx below staffbots. I should probably go to sleep clearly i cant tier when tired.

Chapter 18 https://youtu.be/JUBn6zkvapw I could have 2 turned this map...with a lot of unlikely things. I wouldve needed leo to crit zola while still surviving the following EP and percy wouldve needed 2 hammer crits back to back on the general bosses while also having enough hp to survive. It was too unlikely so i went with this other unlikely but likelier strategy. Percy went berserker mid chapter to avoid silver bow destroying him and to crit the general bosses. He needs to crit one of the 2 generals so that leo never needs to tank enemies near zola. Shoutouts to BENNY for actually contributing by distracting a few enemies away from percy so he can get more chances to crit the generals. Leo and corrin got some reaaaaally bad level ups here, sadly :(. Chapter 18 is completed in 3 turns Thanks a bunch. Glad you are enjoying it! In my first casual run i spent like 50 turns in takumis wall chapter. It was the worst. A lot of conquests lategame maps are annoying to do fast because of the super dodgy bosses too. Its the worst.

Real life happened basically. Week full of work. I had enough time to read a few posts but not reply. Now there are too many posts and its hard to catch up. Ill do my best to remember and answer everything. If i forget something let me know. I feel like you guys defended camilla well enough. Ill just add that base camilla can double c12 ryoma. Thats how stupid her bases are. Her bases are so good that shes not out of place joining in c16 in current drafts. Silas: he could stand to go down to top of high tier maybe, ill need some more convincing. Idk i feel hes so low cost and he joins so early that ill keep him in top tier for now. He hits like a truck, joins early and is in a great class. Leo: you guys are severly underrating leo. Base leo with a spd pairup (selena or felicia) and a tonic is already doubling most enemies in c16 except berserkers by a single point and heroes. He also orkos most of them with a mag tonic. He has enough bulk to clear the whole left side with no trouble at all too. He doesnt even need cooking to be amazing. Speaking of... Cooking: i initially didnt assume this either. Its random so i feel it shouldnt be assumed until the point in the game it isnt, which i saw someone say was c21? I need more info on this matter to conclude this matter but for now its not a thing in this list. Generics: theres so many possible generics and theyre kinda silly to tier. Generics are a definite no. Difficuly: Lunatic Classic no grind. DLC: i already answered this one but this ones a no. Dark flier and dread fighter alone fix anyone. Its dumb. Elise: she is indeed the sole healer if jakob reclasses and felicia isnt around. But thats about it. She can really never be exposed to enemies so she really is just a player phase nuke and a mobile healer when she does promote. This is clearly worse than leo because he can actually get thrown at a bunch of enemies, survive and ko all of them in the process. Wyvern rider elise is the dumbest idea ive heard. Youre wasting jakob/corrin's heart seal to get a flying unit that cant do much combat until she either eventually hits C axes or its chapter 14 and u finally buy the bolt axe. Leo joins at the same time bolt axe elise would be a thing and i didnt need to invest a heart seal to make him KO everything...and he has better durability anyway than malig elise. Beruka vs camilla: its not even close. Beruka has a whopping 10 spd less than camilla and will never catch up with camilla in the stats that matter. Odin vs mozu: odin has one advantage i overlooked: he can chip with no heart seal investment. If mozu gets the heart seal, she does do better than odin though. But she wont, not with how limited they are early on...i think odin might move over her. Corrin vs azura: corrin is with us all game and is always amazing. Its hard to compare them. Shelter dancing made me believe azura beats corrin in utility but horace thinks corrin is better. It could go either way and im indecisive atm. Ill leave azura over corrin for now. Im also starting to believe horace on charlotte. She is bad at everything except being a pairup bot. She does that job well enough though... Benny might move up. I undervalued him being able to immediately go gk and give move and str def on pairup.

Good questions. I never intended to tier generics or assume capture. Dlc classes are a no. I should add these to the OP probably ;p

After like 7 Lunatic+Hard Playthroughs of Conquest I've decided to make a Tier List for it. I'm looking to make it as accurate as possible. Being an efficient unit (high move, shelter, ability to kill at 1-2 range or bosskill, etc) makes the unit go up, not having these qualities or having them but needing more effort makes them go lower. Here we go: Rules: -Conquest Lunatic Classic Mode -Full recruitment, No Deaths. -No DLC or Bonus items. -No outside my castle visiting feature. -No cooking or capturing. -No invasion battles. -Efficiency (slower than LTC but not slow enough to where we can just casually take 10 turns in a map to grind someone up. Think of it like if chapter 12 takes 2 turns in a LTC run by bumrushing ryoma, efficiency takes a bit longer to ensure that it is reliable to do so. So like 6-7 turns. How many more Turns efficiency takes varies from map to map, but basically whatever seems reliable and fast) Axe Wyvern Waifu Tier Camilla Top Tier Corrin Azura Xander Jakob (Ch2) Leo High Tier Beruka Silas Niles Felicia (Ch2) Mid Tier Effie Kaze Elise Selena Shura Arthur Peri Gunter Low Tier Nyx Keaton Charlotte Laslow Flora Felicia (Ch16) Izana Bottom Tier Jakob (Ch16) Benny Mozu Odin [spoiler=List in Picture form] Axe Wyvern Waifu Tier Top Tier High Tier Mid Tier Low Tier Bottom Tier [spoiler=Important Commentary on v1.0 Unit Placements] First Tier belongs solely to Camilla, for obvious reasons. She joins as early as Chapter 10, with ridiculous bases in every stat with amazing growths that ensure she stays obscenely good throughout the game. She flies, has good weapon ranks, good classes and a decent personal skill. She's extremely dominant and doesn't need resources to perform at her best. Second Tier kicks off with Azura, her dancing is invaluable throughout the game and it becomes kinda broken with Shelter units around. Corrin is an amazing, reliable and versatile combat unit for the entire game. She can pull off a myriad of classes too well, with cavalier or wyvern being her best options. Xander joins kinda late and wants your Speedwing. Those are his only flaws. Godlike 1-2 range and durability make him too useful in most of the lategame maps. Also has Shelter if you weren't already satisfied with him. Jakob is an amazing unit that joins you early and can go Paladin with a Heart Seal. While this does mean he starts E rank weapons, it offers too many benefits for that measly cost. It means you get an 8 mov unit early on. It means Jakob gets elbow room with just 1 level. With another level you get another Shelter unit. He even gets Defender early to skyrocket his already good combat. He just keeps getting better and better with little cost. Silas joins early with nice bases and growths, has a really good and abusable personal skill in a high move class. High Tier kicks off with Niles, who is a really good unit that joins you early and has a ton of unique uses. He gives movement on pairup, gets mov+1 himself, has the ability to lockpick, has no trouble doubling, etc. He can even go bowknight later on and have like 10 mov. That's kind of amazing. His growths in areas other than spd means he can and often will fall off later on when enemy stats make the jump though. Then there's Effie, with her high str and good personal skill giving her clutch offense early on. She can go Great Knight and keep killing and tanking things. Kaze joins later than in Birthright but is still pretty darn amazing. He has amazing spd that lets him double basically forever and has good 1-2 range offense thanks to shurikens. Very useful unit but too frail to be exposed to too much combat. Leo, much like Xander, joins late and wants your Speedwing, but has really good bases and a tome that makes him a 1-2 range nuke. He has good bulk on both sides and is just really solid at combat. Felicia (Ch2), while inferior to Jakob in every way possible, does have the ability to go Strategist and have good offense (but terrible defense) early on. She's like a better Elise without Dragon Veins to me since she can do combat to get more exp than elise and get going faster. If she doesn't go strategist she's still a nice support unit that can eventually be a flame shuriken nuke. Upper Mid Tier has Elise at the top. While Elise is really solid, I feel she's not a High Tier unit. That would mean she's just one or 2 spots below Leo and there's a very clear difference between them in performance. Elise comes early with a pony and is good at her healing job. Eventually she can be a playerphase nuke too with her amazing mag and spd growths. She can never really do EP combat thanks to her hp and def though. Beruka's bases are really solid and she flies. Her biggest downside is her Spd base being super low and her growths being on the poor side. Still, she's a flying unit with good single strikes and that makes her useful enough. Selena, much like Beruka, joins with solid bases early on. She's in a much more inferior class than Beruka though. She can pull off Bow Knight and Pegasus Knight rather well. The latter making her a flying Rescue user. She will be useful, much like Beruka but she won't be winning any mvp awards either. Shura joins late and costs you a Boots if you recruit him, but he can be useful as a Bow Knight with 10 move and has nice bases. Arthur closes Upper Mid. Being an early joining unit with a good support class and the ability to be another Shelter unit if need be. Mid Tier. I felt like these guys needed the tier gap because there's no way they're on par with the upper mids. Peri kicks off the tier. She has average bases and growths in a good class and joins decently early on. She can use Shelter right away too. Gunter provides amazing pairup bonuses to Corrin, can use Shelter, can fly and he can grab quite a few support skills like Rallies really easily. Not an amazing combat unit, but a valuable support unit. Laslow joins along with Peri in C12 and has decent bases. His spd holds him back, but he's usable. He's mediocre, but usable. His rally is neat to have for free. A lot of people will give me heck for my Charlotte placement I bet, but she doesn't give move. Her str spd pairup bonus is amazing for sure, but needs more mov. And she's terrible at combat. Low Tier: Now we get to the losers. Nyx is awful. She could maybe be early-sealed to Dark Knight and be decent in like one map but that's about it. She really is hopeless as a combat unit. She can go Bowknight and be a 10 move support unit but there are better options for that and they can do combat too. Flora joins with a B rank in staves in C19 so she can use entrap. She has good skl and mag, making her pretty accurate with staves too. She has that niche going for her. Staff rank is hard to build. Felicia C16 joins late and is extremely bad, but she can heal kinda well and maybe do decent chip with Flame Shuriken here and there. Izana joins suuuper late, but he has 2 rallies and can use staves on things. Keaton, while he does have nice bases, he joins at a time when no one wants a 5 move unit with good 1 range combat. This holds him back sooo much. Bottom Tier: These are more losers than the losers. Jakob C16 can be another Shelter bot maybe and heal for less than C16 Felicia if he stays Butler. Benny can instaseal to GK and give move and str def on pairup but that's about it. Mozu can be a decent sniper if you want to go through the hell that is training her and spend an early Heart Seal on her for some reason. Odin is the worst character in the game from what i've played. His bases are laughably bad and his spd growth cripples him even more. He will always be mediocre at best even if you do train him. He can probably do better if sealed to samurai asap, but heart seals are heavily contested resources. [spoiler=Bonus, ranking the Nohrian kids] Top Tier High Tier Mid Tier Low Tier Bottom Tier Percy and Sophie in the top as they are likely to exist because their parents are great/good. Percy has a Wyvern, with good stats everywhere and a huge defense stat that makes him actually really handy to tank things. He can get Shelter from his dad and fly, which is really good. Sophie is a Cavalier, which means she gets Shelter right away, has a good dad and often will join with good bases. She usually does well no matter who is her mom. High Tier: Nina is likely to exist thanks to Niles being an amazing unit himself. She's on the very frail side but she has good offense and has the mov+1 skill to make her even better. Ophelia doesn't have a good dad, but wow her offense is really good and she can go Dark Knight. She's a nuke. Too bad about that dad of hers...Kana can inherit good stuff like Wyvern to help out. His/her stats are mediocre/average at best but he/she can be made into a useful unit more often than not. Dwyer is decent if Corrin married Jakob and inherits the good stuff, otherwise he's just a healer on a pony like Elise but worse. Mid Tier: Midori can go Mechanist, which is a good class for 1-2 range nuking things. She's decent at best though. Siegbert isnt likely to exist before the very late maps thanks to Xander's availability. He's really average I find and strictly inferior to Xander. Soleil is a late joining Laslow without his Rally but with the ability to potentially be made better through skill genetics...not very promising. Can probably go Bow Knight and do decently. Shigure...it's painful to pairup Azura in Drafts! omg she's the worst!!!!! Now that I got that out of my system, Shigure can become a Rally Speed bot later on which is probably handy if he does manage to exist. Low Tier: Forrest is a late joining healer thanks to Leo's late arrival. Velouria isn't likely to be in play and doesn't offer much. Bottom Tier: Ignatius. Yeah...his dad is bad, his paralogue I hear is impossible after a certain point (havent done it myself yet) and hes probably just a pairup bot GK like his dad. Previous versions: [spoiler=v1.0] Axe Wyvern Waifu Tier Top Tier High Tier Upper Mid Tier Mid Tier Low Tier Bottom Tier

Conquest wins it for more. Mostly because it managed to be a challenge while making everyone technically viable. Even the worst chars mozu benny and odin can be used.