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    1 minute ago, Bluedoom said:

    tbh Boron I acknowledge your explanation but I also stated that I wasn't buying it. And my main thing all this time is that your scumread on me is very hypocritical, even if you internally don't feel so you have to admit that it looks that way.

    Hard disagree. I'll accept my scum read on you being called weak or poorly justified, but I will not accept "hypocritical". And I don't have to admit it looks that way because it doesn't.

    I also think at this point you're just continuing to hold this vote for bad reasons. Whether it's because I've somehow tilted you personally to the point where you just want to believe I'm scummy no matter what or because you're scum trying to give a reason to not update reads, your insistence that the only reasonable explanation to you is that I'm scum is shite.

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    Cam's one content post is okay for coming into the game inebriated, but now that he's (hopefully) sober I'd like for him to give updated reads on things that have happened since then and put down a vote. I'm assuming that his biggest scum read at the time was Makaze and his main town read was Rapier, so it'll be nice to see if/how his thoughts have changed.

    Like, it's not amazing but considering his claimed circumstances it's passable and I feel good about him for actually trying to produce a post rather than being all "lol I'm drunk real post later".

    I don't have too much issue with Snike, although I'd like to ask why you put Makaze in "neutral weird" despite saying earlier in the same post that he feels like he's playing to his town meta. I can understand why he feels the way he does about Prims, I just don't really agree with it. Don't have a problem with him voting Marth, don't necessarily agree with his reasoning regarding Marth's vote on Refa though. I, uh, also see that he walled since my writing this post, so I will get to that later. His pre-page 13 doesn't strike me as off, so if you asked me to make a snap decision read on him I'd say he feels town more than he doesn't.

    Shinori returns with a vengeance. This is a major META ALERT, but from what I remember of Shinori he a tendency as town to aggressively pursue players whom he feels case him for bad reasons as scum. It's, um, a little sus that a single post by Rapier was enough to "flip my read on you", but purely meta-wise this is in line with town Shinori. I hate that I can't explain it besides meta, but Shinori just reads as his town self.

    When you get back Shinori, please explain why your vote is still on Weapons if Rapier is now a scum read for you.

    I have no issues with Percivale and j00.

    I wish Prims had a stronger presence in this game. Like, I don't have an actual issue with his posts. Even if I don't always agree with his points, I can understand where he's coming from and it doesn't feel scummy, just that we have different opinions. If there's anything about Prims that feels scummy, it's that his presence in the game is weak. But I'm not comfortable saying that his lack of presence comes from scum this early on. Will tentatively categorize him as "no issues with content, but not a definite town read due to weak presence".

    Also, Prims, pls. I've explained repeatedly that the post in question was meant to be a quick "this is where my reads are now" for you guys to work with before I left the thread for a bit. I'm not going to make a long post with lots of explanations when my eyes hurt from staring at the screen for too long.

    This post is getting too long, will have to make another one. MY APOLOGIES.

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    4 hours ago, BBM said:

    Can we please stop doing this thing where if someone leaves the thread for a few hours people start getting mad about it? This is specifically directed at Boron for being snippy that people voted her and left, but people were doing that about me earlier too. I know it's frustrating to not get to defend yourself or pursue your scumread more right away,  but we all have more stuff to do now than 5 years ago. So this is a warning that I won't be back after this for a few hours

    I'm not trying to be snippy, but 1) I'm not going to apologize for being annoyed when I feel that people are opportunistically jumping on me after I said I'd be absent, and 2) I only brought it up because the timing of their leaving the thread felt scummy to me.

    2 hours ago, Bluedoom said:

    I've explained this before and I'll explain this again:

    My issue with refa is him being reactive when he was in the thread earlier, and asking questions is more like active lurking. Fine.

    My issue with Boron...if you actually compare her reads list to mine, you'd see that we're not different(we only differ in our takes on prims and weapons.)

    So if a player agrees with you mostly, is actually pursuing a scumread that you have, and is actually trying to take it somewhere, how is the natural progression to actually scumread them? Like that post was "Marth is not impressive, playing it safe" except I actually voted a scum read that she didn't. How is that safe play?

    I think your vote on me is silly (shocker, I know). You having the same scum read as me and pursuing them for similar reasons doesn't mean that you couldn't still be scum. Sometimes, a player does something that just flags a bunch of people in the same way that both town and scum pick up on it and case it for the same reasons.

    The natural progression to actually scum read you comes because even though we have similar reads and voted Refa for similar reasons, I didn't like how you explained your reads and thought it was weak. (Put simply, "I don't like your phrase".)

    Also, you're really hung up on the fact that you voted Refa and I didn't, when I already told you I was starting to tune out at that point in the game and just forgot to do anything with my vote. People make mistakes and forget things. It's one thing if you don't believe that, but you haven't even acknowledged it, which does feel like you're hoping to leave things out just to make me look worse.

    I've also explained why I considered your reads post to be safe. Your two people worth voting at the time were BBM for "low presence" (he had stated before the game started that he'd be busy when the game started so that was never going to be a good reason for a vote at the time) and Refa. For, yes, reasons similar to mine, but your Prims and Makaze nullreads felt wishy-washy to me and you refused to commit to a read on Shinori because "I don't know how to read the guy".

    Thanks guys for only adding 2-3 pages of content after I went to bed. I don't want to make a wall post, so I will be working on a second post that addresses stuff that are not just responses.

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    13 minutes ago, CT075 said:

    this thread has 9 fucking pages that i have skimmed (while i am currently intoxicated), but i'm posting to say that i do exist

    You better not become the next inebriated Shinori drunkplaying mafia

    Not gonna lie, I am somewhat annoyed that after questioning my reads and getting replies, both Marth and Refa have acknowledged my response and asked me a few follow up questions, but continue to keep their vote on me without explaining why I am still scummy despite my explanation, and have both gone entirely offline.

    It's one thing if they still think I'm scummy despite my explanations. But right now it feels more like they just conveniently disappeared so they can keep their votes on me without justifying why I'm still the scummiest person in the thread.

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    2 minutes ago, Bluedoom said:

    ehhh I dunno. @Sunwoo I think that response makes sense except it seems very contrived to think that me voting refa for reasons you agree with stems from me bussing refa...especially when bussing ed1 to throw the spotlight on your buddy is just suboptimal in general.

    Yes people use WIFOM but, the odds are unlikely.

    Apparently SF ate a part of my response to you.

    I'm not even sure that you and Refa are necessarily scum buddies. Real talk, I was rushing to get my basic thoughts written and posted so my scum reads were more based on how I saw people individually and not taking into account how I think these people would function as a scum team. I mean, about 1/3 of the game hasn't even posted yet, so unless I think all the scum in this game are people who already posted, most of my early scum team guesses will be obsolete.

    When we get more interactions and an actual flip, I'll have more information to decide whether I think you/Refa was a bus, town/scum interactions, or if all my reads are shit. But individually, you both looked scummy to me. And again, this is far more nuance than I was willing to explain in my post-leaving post because, again, I was leaving the thread because my eyes hurt from staring at the screen. And like I explained, all you guys needed to do was ask for clarification.

    Also, in the hypothetical case that you and Refa are both scum, I wouldn't even say that your vote on Refa has to be a bus. In the scenario where both of you are scum, it could just be scum buddies pressuring one another to create distance without actual intent to have your buddy be the end-of-the-day lynch.

    (Fuckdammit, SF, please stop auto-capitalizing "lynch".)

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    2 minutes ago, Makaze said:

    I'd like to know your thoughts on BBM, and more about your thoughts on Refa outside of his vote on you.

    My thoughts on Refa outside his vote on me have not changed from the last time I posted them.

    It's hard to make a definite call on BBM because he's only made two posts that address the current state of the game, but I don't find anything objectionable? I might have Prims as a current town read, but I can understand BBM's case and I'll probably end up rereading Prims to see if I still feel the way I do about him. I hope he's able to get more defined reads on the rest of us posting in this thread soon(ish).

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    Just now, Bluedoom said:

    But you had Refa and I as scumreads, while one of them was voting another, and you didn't want to drop a vote on either of us or comment on our interaction. You have to admit that it is really, really weird.

    Not really.

    For one, scum buddies can vote each other and we're still very early into the game. So early in fact that it's wholly possible that everything that went on in the past four-ish hours since the game started becomes completely irrelevant once more people start posting.

    Second, the interaction between you and Refa regarding Prims' Makaze-speculating-about-SK thing didn't strike me as anything that I needed to comment on. I can see this happening whether you guys are both scum, both town, or of different alignments. If you felt I needed to actually say this, sorry I didn't see the point of posting "this discussion could happen as any alignment"?

    Also, the post I made before leaving was never meant to be super comprehensive, I just didn't want to be all "I'm leaving for some time and I won't be posting my current thoughts" because that would be lame. It was just meant to post what my reads were at the time and some basic reasons, and if you guys wanted an explanation you were free to ask me to elaborate when I got back.

    (As for not voting either of you at the time, I was starting to tune out and forgot about voting. I know, not a great reason but I'm not gonna defend myself on that.)

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    Thanks, SF, I totally want you to lose my post when you kick me into the next page and to give me the previous post I'd already posted ... Good thing I didn't write that much yet.

    @Makaze: "Town-lean" means town read. So still Prims and Rapier. Prims was active and trying to get things in the game moving while he was posting, and not being shy about posting his thoughts. Granted, he's been gone for a while, but I'm willing to give him more time to return to the game before his absence starts seeming scummy.

    @Bluedoom: I don't particularly agree that what Prims did is "off" (or scummy). For one, if we're thinking of the same post, it's far less wordier than you make it sound. And secondly, it feels more like Prims wants to note this as behavior that something that could be scummy, but is too early to make a serious case over. It doesn't strike me as odd, personally.

    Uh, if there's anything I've forgotten to mention or you guys have any specific questions, do let me know. I keep getting distracted because you guys keep posting a lot and I have to click on the "show new posts" indicator every time you do.

    Also, just an observation here but I don't like how Refa and Marth were so quick to jump on me after Weapons' post. While I may disagree with his reasoning and reads, Weapons did give a justification for it. Refa jumped on it with barely an explanation and no real indicator as to how he felt about me before, while Marth's vote is sus because his last reads posts had me as a town-lean. I struggle to understand how a single post suddenly makes me the scummiest person in the thread, unless it's because the post in question had him as a suspicion and a wagon is conveniently starting to pop up on me.

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    I'm still feeling kinda crappy, but I did say I'd be back in about "an hour or so"

    I think someone asked me why I thought Marth's post was safe, and it came off as safe to me partly because I wasn't convinced that his two vote options (BBM and Refa) were because he actually thought they were scummy. Also, the "coin flip" section used a lot of words to say Prims and Shinori were basically null.

    As for Weapons' argument that I haven't been "keeping up the pressure" since RVS, I start running out of new things to say when the thread is basically the same couple of people arguing with one another and nobody's arguments at the time were changing my mind on stuff. Also, I didn't even notice that Weapons had responded to my question because the thread was moving too fast and SF's post loading system is kinda clunky.

    ##Unvote

    ##Vote: @Refa

    My previous stance on him before I left stands, even after a quick reread of the thread. His previous reads and statements didn't really seem very committal on anyone. Also, his piggybacking off Weapons' vote on me with a simple "I'd sheep this" is pretty lame considering that he didn't have any real strong opinions on me before.

    You guys are pinging me too much while I'm trying to type, so I'm gonna post this first and then answer other stuff.

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    I'm gonna step away from my computer for about an hour or so, my eyes are getting really tired staring at the screen. Before I go, some thoughts:

    Prims and Rapier are town-leaning for me. It's not a strong town read, but I feel like their posts have intent at least and are trying to get something out of it

    No real objections to Shinori's play, but I'm not getting a town lean feeling from him so I'm reluctant to say I'm reading him as town. (That said, I couldn't tell you anything that makes him feel like scum either. Ugh ...) Makaze feels like Makaze, which means that some of his actions feel scummy (as mentioned earlier) but I also can't think of how it actually benefits him as scum.

    BBM and Snike don't really exist, so I really have no thoughts on them. I kinda forgot they'd posted to begin with.

    On Refa, I see him posting a lot but I can't actually remember anything he's said, which means he's not being memorable enough (how ironic). Marth doesn't impress me very much, I feel like his posts feel kinda safe. Weapons doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, and if he answered my last question towards him I didn't see it. Of the currently active players, I guess I'd feel the worst about these three.

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    1 minute ago, Prims said:

    tbh my gut feeling is still that Shinori is scum buddying up to me before he kills me N1 and I have no better vote than this rn sorry bro

    how do other people feel about shinori for that matter

    gonna return to tactical lurking until more people post

    I'm not used to Shinori being so active in mafia, tbh. The only game I remember where Shinori was super active was Xenoblade. Which was also my first game so yeah.

    Like, I don't have an issue with him so far but if he were scum who was just hyped to play mafia on SF in literal years, it wouldn't surprise me.

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    Prims just kinda reads as standard mid-2010s Prims to me right now. That is to say that he feels like he's trying to get something to happen and poking at anything that strikes him of interest. I'm reading it as more town-leaning, but it's not exclusive town!Prims behavior so it's not a strong read.

    Shinori reads as messing around in semi-RVS before getting down to business, I wouldn't quite call it "refuge in audacity".

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    1 minute ago, Makaze said:

    I have no weird intentions from you

    Your first post felt pure to me

    If someone could be so absolutely certain of someone's alignment based off a single post, that person would either be a far better player than me.

    Makaze being so certain that I'm town based off two (or one) post(s) is really odd. I'd say it's scummy, but I have no idea what the scum intent of buddying up to me is.

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